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« Reply #280 on: March 03, 2009, 10:36:03 AM »

Kermit -

Do you trust the word of Art Wood?
I always found him to be pretty straight forward...
Below are just some misc. excerpts...

Art Wood: "Paulus’ computer holds the key to this case. In the first week of June Michael Dompig, Chief Dompig's son told Dave Holloway that Paulus borrowed a friends boat on the day Natalee disappeared. …In Joran’s confession he says that Natalee was shaking and shivering before she died…then we find out that he called a friend to come and help him. Guess what Kimberly? I think that friend was his father Paulus van der Sloot.

"...PVDS didn’t drive the boat, all he did was call a friend and get rid of the body…and listen, here it is…its right here. …When the aruban police force seized his computer and examined the hard drive they found that on the day Natalee disappeared Paulus Van der Sloot visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body. That’s a bombshell!"

Art Wood: (About casino tape) "The person in that tape has not been identified. However it looks like Paulus. I was told that it is a cook at the salt and pepper cafe."

ART WOOD: The Sloots were probably tipped-off when the family group stopped at the Noord Police Station to wait for Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge to return from the VDS residence.




Thanks BUCKSHOT.

I had forgotten all about what Nancy Grace would call a bombshell.  The problem is if  bombshells are not acted on ... they fade from media attention ... they are forgotten and ... become a non issue.

BUCKSHOT ... Paulus' search on the internet the morning of May 30, 2005 is sooo significant.

Janeti

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« Reply #281 on: March 03, 2009, 10:39:38 AM »



http://chevron.com/countries/trinidadtobago/

Trinidad & Tobago
Committed to Enhancing the Region's Energy IndustryHighlights of Operations

Chevron's exploration and production in the waters off the east coast of Trinidad and Tobago is yielding impressive results.

As a company, we aim to build a mutually beneficial partnership with the country by developing its natural gas business.

That objective is being fueled by production from the Dolphin and Dolphin Deep natural gas fields located offshore in the East Coast Marine Area. The project's Dolphin platform was installed in 1995. Natural gas flows to the domestic market and is converted to liquefied natural gas (LNG) for export to markets in Europe and the United States.

Additional development to supply future gas is under way.

Updated: March 2008
============================================

Jen previously posted:

press releases
29 Feb 2008
Geolab Srl has been operating in the region since May 2005 and in July 2007 completed the undertaking Survey and ROV Support Services on behalf of the various EPIC Contractors involved in the Dolphin Project utilising our in-house vessels DP Reel and Sentinel and also third party vessel Gulmar Eagle.

http://www.oceanologyinternational.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID



Since its creation in 1998, the “Gulmar Group of Companies”,
led by a team of experts, coming from staff of prominent
renowned offshore contractors, has grown and developed its
skills and now enjoys a reputation for its innovation and professionalism,
making the Gulmar Offshore Group one of the
leaders in underwater technology in our areas. Gulmar Group
owns / Operates four DP vessels. “Gulmar Condor”, “Gulmar
Falcon”, “Gulmar Eagle” and “Gulmar Badaro” and is in the
process to acquire 2 new built vessels and one DP2 pipe laying
barge.
http://www.oilandgasdirectory.com/ogd/corporate/Gulmar.pdf
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« Reply #282 on: March 03, 2009, 10:45:22 AM »



As far as the Aruban Port Project, that's certainly within GeoLab's scope of services:


http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_service_ril_geofisici.html

Port and Coastal:
In order to fulfil the requirements of the companies operating in the Port & Coastal Industry, GeoLab provides first-class nearshore survey services in support of the design, installation, commissioning and inspection phases of any coastal structures and activities, such as ports and harbours, coastal protection structures, dredging, beach reclamation, nearshore pipelines, etc..


GeoLab capabilities in this market include:

ROV & Diving Underwater Inspections
Debris & Wreck Surveys
Port Dredging & Construction Surveys
Swathe Bathymetry
Shallow Seismic Surveys
Seabed Acoustic Imaging
Geotechnical Surveys Surface and Underwater Positioning Services
Topographic Surveys
Seabed Sampling and Analysis
Hydrological & Bio-oceanographic Surveys
Current, Tide and Wave Investigations
Water Sampling and Analysis
Oceanographic Modelling
Environmental Impact Assessment
Air & Scuba Diving Services
Data Processing & Cartography

(Applying the KISS theory, I think this is the future work Silvetti was/is keeping his foot in the door for, just makes sense.  And quite a feather in his cap, I'm sure, to the corporate suits if he could be the impetus to land this deal.)
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« Reply #283 on: March 03, 2009, 10:45:42 AM »

I did read with interest some of the negative comments on SM line of research from the usual negative suspects.

I don't understand calling Louis Schaefer's Class Action Lawsuit "past shady dealings" because that one is very much current and alive and well and deals with more than just "shady" dealings!

Has there been some settlement of this in any way that I missed?

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« Reply #284 on: March 03, 2009, 10:49:52 AM »

On December 5, 2007 I have a receipt for a donation for Natalee to Tx EQ..  Does anyone remember why we were asked to contribute then?  Was this for the search or for something else?

Debbie at BFN posted the need for donations on December 5, 2007

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Natalee Holloway => Discussion - Natalee Holloway => Topic started by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03


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Title: OUR HELP IS NEEDED - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT
Post by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03
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To my BFN Family:

For 30 months now we have worked together, fought together, cried together... no matter what we have done it has been together.

We really need to work together now.  The search for Natalee off the coast of Aruba is vital at this time if we want to find Natalee and find answers.

So many people have helped facilitate this search... Louis Schaffer and the Silvetti Group are covering the cost of the search, a very generous offer that the family has humbly accepted.  There will be expenses where help is needed.  The hotel rooms for members of the search team and some of the meals need our help in covering.

I am challenging everyone to give what they can to help find Natalee.  We are quickly approaching the end of the year and now is the time to make tax deductible donations and I cannot think a better cause to help with at this time.

I know that with Christmas approaching that money may be tight, but if you can spare a few dollars please help, I think we all can think of something that we can give up to be able to help at this time.  (I can do without those shoes that I saw in the store that I really do not need)

One last request... if you are able to make a donation it needs to be done NOW.  Make your credit card donations tonight or tomorrow.  If you are going to mail a donation please mail it tomorrow.  If you are making a donation please message me the amount you are planning to donate.  They would like to know an approximate amount so that plans can be finalized.

I am making a $100.00 donation, I challenge you all to donate what you can spare at this time.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Debbie


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/mypics/e6c0bdf8.gif) (http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=76-0664878)
Click on Logo to donate by Credit Card
(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)

Texas EquuSearch can now receive donations from credit cards by using the Network for Good website. If you would prefer not to donate online using a credit card, please feel free to mail your donation to:


Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team
P. O. Box 395,
Dickinson, TX 77539

(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)


http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html


(DISCLAIMER:  THIS WAS MY IDEA.  I HEARD THAT TES NEEDS HELP AND I DECIDED TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS, IT IS YOUR CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO OR CAN MAKE A DONATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS REQUEST.  THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HELP, TIME IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE... THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR NATALEE.)
 


Louis Schafer negated all donations made to the search effort through TES prior to his following February 28, 2008 words in the American media.  It is all about him.

 

Janet

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Holloway searchers need help
Thursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM


“I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions. "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved."
 
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951
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« Reply #285 on: March 03, 2009, 10:50:33 AM »


Since its creation in 1998, the “Gulmar Group of Companies”,
led by a team of experts, coming from staff of prominent
renowned offshore contractors, has grown and developed its
skills and now enjoys a reputation for its innovation and professionalism,
making the Gulmar Offshore Group one of the
leaders in underwater technology in our areas. Gulmar Group
owns / Operates four DP vessels. “Gulmar Condor”, “Gulmar
Falcon”, “Gulmar Eagle” and “Gulmar Badaro” and is in the
process to acquire 2 new built vessels and one DP2 pipe laying
barge.
http://www.oilandgasdirectory.com/ogd/corporate/Gulmar.pdf


Gulmar Falcon                                                Gulmar Condor
 
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« Reply #286 on: March 03, 2009, 10:52:33 AM »

I did read with interest some of the negative comments on SM line of research from the usual negative suspects.

I don't understand calling Louis Schaefer's Class Action Lawsuit "past shady dealings" because that one is very much current and alive and well and deals with more than just "shady" dealings!

Has there been some settlement of this in any way that I missed?



I have the same question Anna, but that aside.......the key point is if you read the class action and the allegations, it appears the stockholders were completely uninformed at the time of this search effort, that Schaefer was changing their business model, services profile, and target markets?

Yes, that's shady, sorry but it is. Those types of forecasts and restructuring are standard reporting within annual reports. Companies may use a measure of double-talk in those references but often that's to not reveal too much to their competitors, not to conceal it from their investors.
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« Reply #287 on: March 03, 2009, 10:52:47 AM »



11/30/2007
Persistence departs for Aruba

NEWLocal Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway:  “The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:  Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565”

NEW Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway:  “…Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years.  He's paying for the million dollar project.  "I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.
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« Reply #288 on: March 03, 2009, 10:56:10 AM »



http://chevron.com/countries/trinidadtobago/

Trinidad & Tobago
Committed to Enhancing the Region's Energy IndustryHighlights of Operations

Chevron's exploration and production in the waters off the east coast of Trinidad and Tobago is yielding impressive results.

As a company, we aim to build a mutually beneficial partnership with the country by developing its natural gas business.

That objective is being fueled by production from the Dolphin and Dolphin Deep natural gas fields located offshore in the East Coast Marine Area. The project's Dolphin platform was installed in 1995. Natural gas flows to the domestic market and is converted to liquefied natural gas (LNG) for export to markets in Europe and the United States.

Additional development to supply future gas is under way.

Updated: March 2008
============================================

Jen previously posted:

press releases
29 Feb 2008
Geolab Srl has been operating in the region since May 2005 and in July 2007 completed the undertaking Survey and ROV Support Services on behalf of the various EPIC Contractors involved in the Dolphin Project utilising our in-house vessels DP Reel and Sentinel and also third party vessel Gulmar Eagle.

http://www.oceanologyinternational.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID



Since its creation in 1998, the “Gulmar Group of Companies”,
led by a team of experts, coming from staff of prominent
renowned offshore contractors, has grown and developed its
skills and now enjoys a reputation for its innovation and professionalism,
making the Gulmar Offshore Group one of the
leaders in underwater technology in our areas. Gulmar Group
owns / Operates four DP vessels. “Gulmar Condor”, “Gulmar
Falcon”, “Gulmar Eagle” and “Gulmar Badaro” and is in the
process to acquire 2 new built vessels and one DP2 pipe laying
barge.
http://www.oilandgasdirectory.com/ogd/corporate/Gulmar.pdf


SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. - DEEP Current report filing ... The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues ...
sec.edgar-online.com/2007/ 11/15/0000950134-07-024064/Section6.asp


The M/V Apache has been involved in operations with the DP DSV Falcon from 2-25-07 to 3-15-07. The Apache has been working in a support role with the Falcon transferring both supplies and personnel to the vessel. The Apache has been maintained in a state of readiness with a full crew ready to perform tasks as needed. The crew of the Apache has performed in a professional manner and displayed a safety conscious attitude. The captain and crew have displayed a very positive can do attitude and a willingness to provide the Falcon with the best possible service. In short I would recommend this vessel for a wide range of offshore support operations. "

Scott Mcauley
Superintendent - DSV Gulmar Falcon
Superior Offshore International


http://apacheboatco.com/index.htm
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http://chevron.com/countries/trinidadtobago/

Trinidad & Tobago
Committed to Enhancing the Region's Energy IndustryHighlights of Operations

Chevron's exploration and production in the waters off the east coast of Trinidad and Tobago is yielding impressive results.

As a company, we aim to build a mutually beneficial partnership with the country by developing its natural gas business.

That objective is being fueled by production from the Dolphin and Dolphin Deep natural gas fields located offshore in the East Coast Marine Area. The project's Dolphin platform was installed in 1995. Natural gas flows to the domestic market and is converted to liquefied natural gas (LNG) for export to markets in Europe and the United States.

Additional development to supply future gas is under way.

Updated: March 2008
============================================

Jen previously posted:

press releases
29 Feb 2008
Geolab Srl has been operating in the region since May 2005 and in July 2007 completed the undertaking Survey and ROV Support Services on behalf of the various EPIC Contractors involved in the Dolphin Project utilising our in-house vessels DP Reel and Sentinel and also third party vessel Gulmar Eagle.

http://www.oceanologyinternational.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID



Since its creation in 1998, the “Gulmar Group of Companies”,
led by a team of experts, coming from staff of prominent
renowned offshore contractors, has grown and developed its
skills and now enjoys a reputation for its innovation and professionalism,
making the Gulmar Offshore Group one of the
leaders in underwater technology in our areas. Gulmar Group
owns / Operates four DP vessels. “Gulmar Condor”, “Gulmar
Falcon”, “Gulmar Eagle” and “Gulmar Badaro” and is in the
process to acquire 2 new built vessels and one DP2 pipe laying
barge.
http://www.oilandgasdirectory.com/ogd/corporate/Gulmar.pdf


SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. - DEEP Current report filing ... The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues ...
sec.edgar-online.com/2007/ 11/15/0000950134-07-024064/Section6.asp


The M/V Apache has been involved in operations with the DP DSV Falcon from 2-25-07 to 3-15-07. The Apache has been working in a support role with the Falcon transferring both supplies and personnel to the vessel. The Apache has been maintained in a state of readiness with a full crew ready to perform tasks as needed. The crew of the Apache has performed in a professional manner and displayed a safety conscious attitude. The captain and crew have displayed a very positive can do attitude and a willingness to provide the Falcon with the best possible service. In short I would recommend this vessel for a wide range of offshore support operations. "

Scott Mcauley
Superintendent - DSV Gulmar Falcon
Superior Offshore International


http://apacheboatco.com/index.htm

Boats owned by Superior Offshore:

Superior Endeavour Vanuatu Own 2004 (2) 10/2004 265 8,600 61 Yes(3) 50
Gulmar Falcon Panama Charter(4) 2006 04/2006 220 9,235 73 Yes(3) 30
Gulmar Condor Marshall Charter(5) 2006 07/2007 341 10,764 128 Yes(3) 120/70
Islands
Adams Surveyor Bahrain Charter(6) 2007 03/2007 228 5,084 54 No(7) 45
Toisa Puma Liberia Charter( 2007 - 253 4,672 60 Yes(3) 25
Seamec III India Charter(9) 2007 07/2007 304 5,124 90 Yes(3) 50/10
Four-Point Vessels:
Gulf Diver III U.S. Own 2003 09/2003 165 1,034 36 No 10
Gulf Diver IV (10) U.S. Own 2005 - 168 2,880 43 No 15
Gulf Diver V U.S. Own 2005 03/2006 180 3,330 23 No 15
Gulf Diver VI U.S. Own 2006 09/2006 166 2,890 38 No 15
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Boats in Trinidad as of November 2007:

Gulmar Condor
, Seamec III, and the Crossmar 14
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Boats owned by legacy:

Gulf Diver V

Gulmar Falcon

Sun River

Ocean Veritas


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« Reply #290 on: March 03, 2009, 10:58:29 AM »

Kermie,
I am not trying to be off base here...
But I have stated my opinions on the possibility that Jossy could be playing both sides of the fence...
He has substantial monetary interest(s) on that island, IMO, and probably seeks to protect them...
Is it off based, in your opinion, to be cautious of this man? Just curious of your opinion...
My best analogy for Jossy comes from an old saying, "Dogs do not shit where they eat."
BUCKSHOT

I didn't think you were trying to be off base in your thinking at all Buckshot. You've always proved to be insightful. And what you say has merit.




SPY ON BOARD?

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage and ... when the legal issues encompassing Jossy and his family considered ... could there have been a negotiated incentive with the Aruban “powers that be” ... a negotiated incentive which would imply a betrayal of trust in regards to Natalee Holloway and her family?  Could Jossy have negotiated an incentive  with the Aruban “powers that be” that would involve the participation of his own son, Eduardo?

What was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence?  Could the “powers that be” have taken advantage of the trusted relationship that existed between Jossy Mansur and the family of Natalee Holloway?   Could the “powers that be” had assumed the motives of Eduard Mansur would not be questioned  or undermine?

One member of the crew, who held a professional position on board the Persistence, had his suspicions.

IMO

Janet
________

Kyle Kingman
We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Jossy Mansur
No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.
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11/30/2007
Persistence departs for Aruba

NEWLocal Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway:  “The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:  Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565”

NEW Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway:  “…Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years.  He's paying for the million dollar project.  "I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.


 
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« Reply #292 on: March 03, 2009, 11:04:54 AM »

Kermie,
I am not trying to be off base here...
But I have stated my opinions on the possibility that Jossy could be playing both sides of the fence...
He has substantial monetary interest(s) on that island, IMO, and probably seeks to protect them...
Is it off based, in your opinion, to be cautious of this man? Just curious of your opinion...
My best analogy for Jossy comes from an old saying, "Dogs do not shit where they eat."
BUCKSHOT

Not Kermit but I for one still wants to know why Jossy's son Eduador was on that ship the whole time (according to jossy to Hotshot) and Jossy was working with Caps on witnesses for the pond.  Jossy was in both areas of interest.  So which is it ocean or pond?

Joran: "She's in the ocean"

CAPS: "tennis shoe and remains" POND
         "she's in the cemtary"
         she's cut up and her body parts are spread around
         she is at the MOKO apts.
         she is at the whitehouse apts
         I never said MOKO kermit I said Montanja

TED KOPPEL: VAT A MINUTE! You got a million dollars after selling off your stocks and resigning from your company and switching assets to another company of yours and then you asked for donations and then you came home after mapping for oil in Aruba and after trying to "strike deals" to sell the ROV images of the cage/trap that you allowed ONLY ARUBA DIVERS to collect evidence and you denied the family and FBI any of that information? Is that correct Mister Peahead?



 

Kermit ... your "Ted Koppel" quotes are keepers.  In my mind ... I can also attribute those quotes to Nancy Grace.

Janet

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« Reply #293 on: March 03, 2009, 11:09:48 AM »

29 Feb 2008

 

GeoLab Middle-East Branch

Geolab Srl has been operating in the region since May 2005 and in July 2007 completed the undertaking Survey and ROV Support Services on behalf of the various EPIC Contractors involved in the Dolphin Project utilising our in-house vessels DP Reel and Sentinel and also third party vessel Gulmar Eagle.

In 2006 Geolab Srl provided survey positioning in support of Modern Computer Services during the undertaking of the ADMA OPCO ROV digital video acquisition, survey inspection of subsea pipelines with a total of 720 km being inspected.

Geolab have realised the region as an important market and to show our future commitment to the region, also offer Clients an alternative choice of Survey and ROV contractor are in the final stages of registration of a Middle East Branch.  this will be located in Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates.

Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.

The Middle-East Branch has recently secured a 180 days contract for Geophysical Surveys Mapping Pipelines and Jackets in Middle East Region and is discussing with several major local contractors long-term agreements for provision of Survey and Positioning Services.

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11/30/2007
Persistence departs for Aruba

NEWLocal Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway:  “The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:  Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565”

NEW Crews Leave Acadiana To Search For Natalee Holloway:  “…Louis Shaefer is retired after working off shore for more than 40 years.  He's paying for the million dollar project.  "I'm just lucky that I'm at the right place at the right time," said Shaefer.


 

I know, right?   

You would think they would've at least tried to get their story straight too...

Which brings me to another point.  There was way too much publicity before this search even started.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to alert the world (and whoever placed the remains in the trap) until after the search was over.  Do the work, then give the interviews.  Talk about giving the bad guys time to put a plan together. 
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« Reply #295 on: March 03, 2009, 11:20:27 AM »

Kyle said This is how the Dateline episode happened:
Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.





Did they "sample" the trap or is that when it was decided to call in Mos and gang?


On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Somehow the Aruban divers were able to determine CONCLUSIVELY that nothing case related was inside that trap.  It was on the word of the Aruban divers that Tim Miller based his calls to the parents of Natalee Holloway.

Logic dictates that those who that John Silvetti should have insisted on another dive that included Tim Trahan ... the American diver ... rather than taking the Aruban's word as gospel.  Justice for Natalee Holloway, closure for her parents and accountability to those who donated to the case demanded it.

Could it be that Tim Trahan's inconclusive determination have been a given when the December 30, 2007 meeting with the Arubans prior to the dive is considered?

IMO

Janet

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IN KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.
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« Reply #296 on: March 03, 2009, 11:30:06 AM »


Borrowed from Janet...

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.
Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Says it all for me...



Me too.

However ... all credit must go to Kermit and the Natalee's Freebirds for the quotes exposing Kyle Kingman's own words ... words that reveal that John Silvetti and other Americans were participants in the finale to the great Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

I just spend all my time copying and pasting ... copying and pasting ... copying and pasting ...

 

Janet
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« Reply #297 on: March 03, 2009, 11:34:36 AM »


Me too.

However ... all credit must go to Kermit and the Natalee's Freebirds for the quotes exposing Kyle Kingman's own words ... words that reveal that John Silvetti and other Americans were participants in the finale to the great Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

I just spend all my time copying and pasting ... copying and pasting ... copying and pasting ...
 

Janet

   Me too!   
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« Reply #298 on: March 03, 2009, 11:41:09 AM »

The search was originally supposed to be for two to three weeks.

Not sure when it was extended so.  Maybe when Dolphi tripled the area to be searched?



Anna - I'd love to source that & add it to the timeline, do you think you could find it? 
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« Reply #299 on: March 03, 2009, 11:42:08 AM »

One thing I will add on the receipt of my check going for this search is that it was paid directly to a paypal account and that company would decide if the charity was worthy of the donation even though I specified it for the search for Natalee.  I did not deem it shady at all cause someone was overseeing the funds.  My only question is I donated again in Feb. and it did not go the same route as this one in Dec. 07.  It was stated then that after leaving so abruptly that our money had been refunded.  To date I have never received any refunds at all.  Like I said before I do trust Tim Miller with my donation.  I just hope this paypal account distributed the money accordingly.
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