Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 - 3/6/09

[Keepthefaith]

I have wondered many times if it was Tim Miller who encouraged Kyle to
send the ROV pictures to the FBI, without John Silvetti's knowledge.

Tim would have known how to contact the FBI.  That may have been
when Tim became a liability.

 

[Keepthefaith]

Some still tend to believe the Jan 7th images were photoshopped!

[San]

I have wondered many times if it was Tim Miller who encouraged Kyle to
send the ROV pictures to the FBI, without John Silvetti's knowledge.

Tim would have known how to contact the FBI.  That may have been
when Tim became a liability.

When you have a man of honor like Tim on board your boat and you have other intentions it is best to get rid of the liability.

[Lifesong]

I have wondered many times if it was Tim Miller who encouraged Kyle to
send the ROV pictures to the FBI, without John Silvetti's knowledge.

Tim would have known how to contact the FBI.  That may have been
when Tim became a liability.

I think it was probably Tim too, Magnolia.  I'd like to know if Silvetti knew it or not.
Tim was on the phone with both Beth and Dave.  I don't believe it took Kyle to get the FBI involved.

[Tamikosmom]

Lifesong ... Kyle Kingman's own words reveal he very troubled in regards to the recovery process that only involved the Arubans and ... he was on a mission to reveal the truth when he sent the first set of ROV images to the FBI and ... when he contacted the administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds for assistance in documenting the happenings he observed on the Persistence.  His honorable intentions were to inform Beth Holloway and the FBI.

Janet

Janet, I don't have any have information to suggest that Kyle wasn't just doing what he was told when he sent the first set of images to the FBI.  Yes, I believe he was troubled by what happened, of course I do.  If I had been in possession of the videos of the evidence collection and been troubled about what happened - I wouldn't have withheld them for months from the FBI and the family.  I most certainly wouldn't have tried to profit from them.  That is what Kyle was doing.

Obviously ... self-serving motives were not Kyle Kingman's initial reactions or ... he would not have sent the first set of ROV images to the FBI or ... he would not have reached out for assistance from the the Natalee's Freebirds in compiling the happenings encompassing the recovery process.

Somewhere along the way Kyle Kingman had a change of heart and ... I believe that the change of heart occurred when his silence was bought with the anticipation of big bucks from network deals that would also involve Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer. ... with the anticipation of big buck in regard to future career opportunities compliments of John Silvetti.

Janet

[Lifesong]

Some still tend to believe the Jan 7th images were photoshopped!

KTF! 

Too funny!

Keep in mind, those are just the ones that will acknowledge there was something besides fabric there.
 

[Tamikosmom]

Some still tend to believe the Jan 7th images were photoshopped!

Keepthefaith

Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his analysis of the contents of the December 29th and January 7th ROV images as well as the happening encompassing the chain of custody ... tells me that there is something hinky without every viewing the ROV images.

Janet 

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[Keepthefaith]

Some still tend to believe the Jan 7th images were photoshopped!

KTF! 

Too funny!

Keep in mind, those are just the ones that will acknowledge there was something besides fabric there.
 

  Just playing LifeSong and Janet!Start drinkin that tea Janet!

[Anna]

I will give Kyle Kingman the benefit of the doubt that he believed he was in possession of evidence in regards to an ongoing investigation.

I know if I had been in Kyle Kingman position ... I would have sent those ROV images to the FBI and ... nobody else.  My thought process would be that I could possibly compromise the investigation.  Look what did happen when the FBI did eventually forward those images to Dave Holloway.  Those images ended up all over the internet.

Janet

This was long after the thumbs down from Tim Trahan signaling there was nothing of relevance in the trap.  Do we have a date that these photos were sent to the FBI by Kyle? 

And why did he only send the FBI some of the photos that he had retained if he thought they had evidentury value? 

And if no value, I don't think it could have hurt to share with Dave.

So if Kyle at this point thought he had evidence I wonder why he held some of it back from the FBI.  And if it was not of value, why he wouldn't share with Dave.

I guess these are things only Kyle could answer.  Just something very off about that who process of sending select photos only to FBI and keeping some for himself only. 

Hinky.  And not in a good way.  Doesn't ring true to me

JMO

[Lifesong]

I will give Kyle Kingman the benefit of the doubt that he believed he was in possession of evidence in regards to an ongoing investigation.

I know if I had been in Kyle Kingman position ... I would have sent those ROV images to the FBI and ... nobody else.  My thought process would be that I could possibly compromise the investigation.  Look what did happen when the FBI did eventually forward those images to Dave Holloway.  Those images ended up all over the internet.

Janet

This was long after the thumbs down from Tim Trahan signaling there was nothing of relevance in the trap.  Do we have a date that these photos were sent to the FBI by Kyle? 

And why did he only send the FBI some of the photos that he had retained if he thought they had evidentury value? 

And if no value, I don't think it could have hurt to share with Dave.

So if Kyle at this point thought he had evidence I wonder why he held some of it back from the FBI.  And if it was not of value, why he wouldn't share with Dave.

I guess these are things only Kyle could answer.  Just something very off about that who process of sending select photos only to FBI and keeping some for himself only. 

Hinky.  And not in a good way.  Doesn't ring true to me

JMO

Anna, I don't think the Jan. 7th dive had happened yet when Kyle sent the FBI the other pictures, so I don't think he sent some pictures and at the very same time didn't send the others.  If that's the case, then I'm back to asking if they planted the evidence to scam the media for money.  My impression has been he sent the photos more in real time - that day or very soon thereafter.

Hopefully the Freebirds will come back and help us.  I'm concerned that they've left and I hope its not because I have questions.

[Anna]

Lifesong,
That makes more sense.  I think you are correct that he was sending them more in real time which would explain why he didn't have the ones of the baggies as yet.

Think I just have mental fatigue trying to put it all in place.

Thanks.

[Tamikosmom]

I posted my latest document.  In my final draft ... I had provided an introduction in each section but my DIL believe that to avoid any problems ... Kyle Kingman's words need to speak for themselves.

Janet

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Topic: THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP (DOCUMENT)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.new#new

[Anna]

I was just thinking about those tapes TJ Ward gave to Greta.

If she is not going to do anything with them, maybe TJ could be on Dana and tell about them?  I just want to know what is on them.  Supposedly they connect Paulus to some Colombians who may or may not have been implicated in some way or other, I would think disposal of remains.

Greta really moved slowly at times.  She didn't do the expose on Jorans last tale for several months as I recall.

[BUCKSHOT]

Persistence: It is Dec 30. We found a trap in the ocean. It appears to contain a skull.
ALE: OK. We will need a diver and some special equipment.
Persistence: OK. How long will that take?
ALE: Probably 10-14 days before we can get someone on board. Go on land and enjoy yourselves for a while.
Persistence: Huh. Nobody here is a diver. We will find a crew member and do it ourselves.
ALE: No, these are our waters and we would not want to violate international law.
Persistence: Well...,alright. But call us as soon as the manpower and equipment arrives.
ALE: No problem. Want to check out the pond and Marco, while you are on land.
Persistence: It is Jan 10. We're back. What was in the trap?
ALE: Sorry. There was nothing there. Just a drug post office.
Persistence: What are you talking about. Something was in that trap. Furthermore, we still have more targets.
ALE: Sorry on that, too. We are officially out of money. Time to go home.
Persistence: But why is that police boat speeding off in the distance with divers aboard?
ALE: We will no longer talk about that. Is that understood? Have a safe trip home.

 

[San]

KYLE DID YOU TELL THE TRUTH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

[klaasend]

Sometimes people don't always do things for the right reasons.  Sometimes people who do seemingly wonderful things are also criminals:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/10/27/twitty-meets-with-benefactor-of-missing-persons-cases/

Twitty Meets With Benefactor Of Missing Persons Cases

COLUMBUS, Ohio—Several local families gathered Tuesday night to thank a stranger who offered his help in their time of need.

Those families met Joe Mammana, a Philadelphia man who first made headlines by posting a $100,000 reward in the Natalee Holloway case, where the college student was reported missing in Aruba.

Since then, Mammana has made the same generous offer in local cases, including the disappearances of Julie Popovich, Tony Luzio Jr., Michelle Hadsell and Carla Losey. Now, he’s offered an increased reward in the 1996 disappearance of Rob Mohney.


Joe Mammana was sentanced today to 8 years in prison

Sometimes intentions are less than honorable......just saying 

[San]

Aren't we all here for almost 4 years because Aruba lied and we are demanding answers.

Never give up.

[Anna]

Good program, Dana!

Off to watch the exciting season conslusion of Burn Notice.

Good nite, all!

[Tamikosmom]

KYLE DID YOU TELL THE TRUTH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

Thank you San.

Janet