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« Reply #200 on: March 02, 2009, 10:27:39 PM »

Kermit -

Do you trust the word of Art Wood?
I always found him to be pretty straight forward...
Below are just some misc. excerpts...

Art Wood: "Paulus’ computer holds the key to this case. In the first week of June Michael Dompig, Chief Dompig's son told Dave Holloway that Paulus borrowed a friends boat on the day Natalee disappeared. …In Joran’s confession he says that Natalee was shaking and shivering before she died…then we find out that he called a friend to come and help him. Guess what Kimberly? I think that friend was his father Paulus van der Sloot.

"...PVDS didn’t drive the boat, all he did was call a friend and get rid of the body…and listen, here it is…its right here. …When the aruban police force seized his computer and examined the hard drive they found that on the day Natalee disappeared Paulus Van der Sloot visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body. That’s a bombshell!"

Art Wood: (About casino tape) "The person in that tape has not been identified. However it looks like Paulus. I was told that it is a cook at the salt and pepper cafe."

ART WOOD: The Sloots were probably tipped-off when the family group stopped at the Noord Police Station to wait for Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge to return from the VDS residence.


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« Reply #201 on: March 02, 2009, 10:30:24 PM »


I wonder what CBS Executives deposition would say?

Kyle:  "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

Kermit, what happened with ABC and CBS and Peter DV?  Nothing ever became of that deal and I wonder why they didn't jump on it.  Seems Mos & ALE did a shakedown on the Persistence and then the Persistence tried to shake down not one but 3 different TV stations/crime reporter.

There were legal issues.




I guess I am dense but what kind of "legal" issues could there have been?  They owned all the photos, had all the records/logs of that trip so what legally prevented it?  Not reporting all this to FBI?


I just know that the media industry is highly sensitive about legal issues.
Dateline had a contractual agreement with Louis Schafer didn't he?
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« Reply #202 on: March 02, 2009, 10:32:12 PM »

Kermit -

Do you trust the word of Art Wood?
I always found him to be pretty straight forward...
Below are just some misc. excerpts...

Art Wood: "Paulus’ computer holds the key to this case. In the first week of June Michael Dompig, Chief Dompig's son told Dave Holloway that Paulus borrowed a friends boat on the day Natalee disappeared. …In Joran’s confession he says that Natalee was shaking and shivering before she died…then we find out that he called a friend to come and help him. Guess what Kimberly? I think that friend was his father Paulus van der Sloot.

"...PVDS didn’t drive the boat, all he did was call a friend and get rid of the body…and listen, here it is…its right here. …When the aruban police force seized his computer and examined the hard drive they found that on the day Natalee disappeared Paulus Van der Sloot visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body. That’s a bombshell!"

Art Wood: (About casino tape) "The person in that tape has not been identified. However it looks like Paulus. I was told that it is a cook at the salt and pepper cafe."

ART WOOD: The Sloots were probably tipped-off when the family group stopped at the Noord Police Station to wait for Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge to return from the VDS residence.

What reason would Art Wood have to lie?
Probably none.

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« Reply #203 on: March 02, 2009, 10:35:37 PM »

Reply #494 on: February 26, 2008, 08:55:26 PM »
Bad news on the search.  Persistence has completed the underwater survey/grid.  Have identified 100+ objects and trying to narrow the list.  However, they are totally out of money.  If they can't come up with donations within a week or 10 days they will have to go home.
Dave Holloway has been talking to various officials to help chip in.

Without contributions Persistence is coming home.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.480
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« Reply #204 on: March 02, 2009, 10:36:04 PM »

On December 5, 2007 I have a receipt for a donation for Natalee to Tx EQ..  Does anyone remember why we were asked to contribute then?  Was this for the search or for something else?

I'm not sure.  I don't see a thread from Nov/Dec 2007 here for donations.  I'll check BFN.
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« Reply #205 on: March 02, 2009, 10:36:14 PM »

Kermit -

Do you trust the word of Art Wood?
I always found him to be pretty straight forward...
Below are just some misc. excerpts...

Art Wood: "Paulus’ computer holds the key to this case. In the first week of June Michael Dompig, Chief Dompig's son told Dave Holloway that Paulus borrowed a friends boat on the day Natalee disappeared. …In Joran’s confession he says that Natalee was shaking and shivering before she died…then we find out that he called a friend to come and help him. Guess what Kimberly? I think that friend was his father Paulus van der Sloot.

"...PVDS didn’t drive the boat, all he did was call a friend and get rid of the body…and listen, here it is…its right here. …When the aruban police force seized his computer and examined the hard drive they found that on the day Natalee disappeared Paulus Van der Sloot visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body. That’s a bombshell!"

Art Wood: (About casino tape) "The person in that tape has not been identified. However it looks like Paulus. I was told that it is a cook at the salt and pepper cafe."

ART WOOD: The Sloots were probably tipped-off when the family group stopped at the Noord Police Station to wait for Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge to return from the VDS residence.

What reason would Art Wood have to lie?
Probably none.



I feel the same. My comment kinda came out wrong.
My point being...I always enjoyed his straight forwardness and felt him, likewise, to be informative and trustworthy...
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« Reply #206 on: March 02, 2009, 10:36:33 PM »

Kyle said: "Dave was involved with the search until the 30th of Dec from an information-only level. I don't know if he knows anything about the blue denim-like fabric and have no reason to suspect that he does. I would say he knows as much as Beth, perhaps slightly more. It's time Beth knows what the truth is about that trap"
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« Reply #207 on: March 02, 2009, 10:37:21 PM »

March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.0
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screenshots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 3 - LegalLEx posts at BFN: "I think an immediate agenda many of us have taken on is... to continue... trying to find significant funding/donations... to finish the search... at least of those 150 (or so) targets that may yield Natalee and... maybe... evidence.
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Since John does not deal with the financing portion, (TES and Louis do),
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« Reply #208 on: March 02, 2009, 10:38:33 PM »

This article seems to give a wealth of knowledge pertaining to what is going on down there!I believe it is from January of 2006 but is like an amazing power-point presentation as to what's goin on.Scroll down to page 15 Look who is very close to Aruba in the Cardon 3...

http://www.pdvsa.com/interface.en/database/fichero/publicacion/1101/35.PDF

KTF - is it just me, or does it look like Chevron's portion of the project sits almost right on top of Aruba?



Nice picture of who's playing close to Aruba...

Oh yes I did see that. Ain't it cozy. OIL baby OIL.







PetroFalcon cancels Cardon III farmin

By OGJ editors
HOUSTON, Jan. 7 -- Vinccler Oil & Gas, the wholly owned subsidiary of PetroFalcon Corp., has terminated an agreement to acquire from Chevron Corp. a 30% working interest in the offshore Cardon III Block natural gas license in the Gulf of Venezuela. According to the terms of the agreement, Chevron will reimburse all amounts paid by Vinccler plus interest.

PetroFalcon Pres. and Chief Executive Officer Bill Gumma said, "We are opting out of the Chevron exploration well in the Gulf of Venezuela due to the tightening global capital markets and the uncertain oil and natural gas price environment. After Chevron returns our share of past Cardon III expenses with interest, we will have more than $33 million in cash, no debt, and no expected cash calls from Baripetrol or PetroCumarebo for 2009 capital expenditures."


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« Reply #209 on: March 02, 2009, 10:39:35 PM »

 a piece of blue tarp was found about 15-20ft outside of the trap. Inside the trap underneath a small berm of sand (which was in the shape of a torso with proper proportions) we found a blue denim-like fabric which appears from the ROV video to be denim with the right approximate proportions to be her skirt. The fabric appears to be a denim skirtKyle said.
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« Reply #210 on: March 02, 2009, 10:40:22 PM »

On December 5, 2007 I have a receipt for a donation for Natalee to Tx EQ..  Does anyone remember why we were asked to contribute then?  Was this for the search or for something else?

Debbie at BFN posted the need for donations on December 5, 2007

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Natalee Holloway => Discussion - Natalee Holloway => Topic started by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03


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Title: OUR HELP IS NEEDED - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT
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To my BFN Family:

For 30 months now we have worked together, fought together, cried together... no matter what we have done it has been together.

We really need to work together now.  The search for Natalee off the coast of Aruba is vital at this time if we want to find Natalee and find answers.

So many people have helped facilitate this search... Louis Schaffer and the Silvetti Group are covering the cost of the search, a very generous offer that the family has humbly accepted.  There will be expenses where help is needed.  The hotel rooms for members of the search team and some of the meals need our help in covering.

I am challenging everyone to give what they can to help find Natalee.  We are quickly approaching the end of the year and now is the time to make tax deductible donations and I cannot think a better cause to help with at this time.

I know that with Christmas approaching that money may be tight, but if you can spare a few dollars please help, I think we all can think of something that we can give up to be able to help at this time.  (I can do without those shoes that I saw in the store that I really do not need)

One last request... if you are able to make a donation it needs to be done NOW.  Make your credit card donations tonight or tomorrow.  If you are going to mail a donation please mail it tomorrow.  If you are making a donation please message me the amount you are planning to donate.  They would like to know an approximate amount so that plans can be finalized.

I am making a $100.00 donation, I challenge you all to donate what you can spare at this time.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Debbie


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/mypics/e6c0bdf8.gif) (http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=76-0664878)
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Texas EquuSearch can now receive donations from credit cards by using the Network for Good website. If you would prefer not to donate online using a credit card, please feel free to mail your donation to:


Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team
P. O. Box 395,
Dickinson, TX 77539

(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)


http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html


(DISCLAIMER:  THIS WAS MY IDEA.  I HEARD THAT TES NEEDS HELP AND I DECIDED TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS, IT IS YOUR CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO OR CAN MAKE A DONATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS REQUEST.  THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HELP, TIME IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE... THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR NATALEE.)
 
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« Reply #211 on: March 02, 2009, 10:42:15 PM »

Kermie,
I am not trying to be off base here...
But I have stated my opinions on the possibility that Jossy could be playing both sides of the fence...
He has substantial monetary interest(s) on that island, IMO, and probably seeks to protect them...
Is it off based, in your opinion, to be cautious of this man? Just curious of your opinion...
My best analogy for Jossy comes from an old saying, "Dogs do not shit where they eat."
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« Reply #212 on: March 02, 2009, 10:43:13 PM »

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« Reply #213 on: March 02, 2009, 10:43:53 PM »

Kyle said This is how the Dateline episode happened:
Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.



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« Reply #214 on: March 02, 2009, 10:46:35 PM »

Kermie,
I am not trying to be off base here...
But I have stated my opinions on the possibility that Jossy could be playing both sides of the fence...
He has substantial monetary interest(s) on that island, IMO, and probably seeks to protect them...
Is it off based, in your opinion, to be cautious of this man? Just curious of your opinion...
My best analogy for Jossy comes from an old saying, "Dogs do not shit where they eat."
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Not Kermit but I for one still wants to know why Jossy's son Eduador was on that ship the whole time (according to jossy to Hotshot) and Jossy was working with Caps on witnesses for the pond.  Jossy was in both areas of interest.  So which is it ocean or pond?
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« Reply #215 on: March 02, 2009, 10:46:43 PM »

Kermie,
I am not trying to be off base here...
But I have stated my opinions on the possibility that Jossy could be playing both sides of the fence...
He has substantial monetary interest(s) on that island, IMO, and probably seeks to protect them...
Is it off based, in your opinion, to be cautious of this man? Just curious of your opinion...
My best analogy for Jossy comes from an old saying, "Dogs do not shit where they eat."
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I didn't think you were trying to be off base in your thinking at all Buckshot. You've always proved to be insightful. And what you say has merit.


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« Reply #216 on: March 02, 2009, 10:47:43 PM »

thanks Klaas, wonder why they were asking for money NOW back in December when they had just started the search.  I thought Schafer was paying for it at that point?
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« Reply #217 on: March 02, 2009, 10:48:04 PM »

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« Reply #218 on: March 02, 2009, 10:51:01 PM »

Kyle said This is how the Dateline episode happened:
Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.





Did they "sample" the trap or is that when it was decided to call in Mos and gang?
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« Reply #219 on: March 02, 2009, 10:51:11 PM »

Kermie,
I am not trying to be off base here...
But I have stated my opinions on the possibility that Jossy could be playing both sides of the fence...
He has substantial monetary interest(s) on that island, IMO, and probably seeks to protect them...
Is it off based, in your opinion, to be cautious of this man? Just curious of your opinion...
My best analogy for Jossy comes from an old saying, "Dogs do not shit where they eat."
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Not Kermit but I for one still wants to know why Jossy's son Eduador was on that ship the whole time (according to jossy to Hotshot) and Jossy was working with Caps on witnesses for the pond.  Jossy was in both areas of interest.  So which is it ocean or pond?

Joran: "She's in the ocean"

CAPS: "tennis shoe and remains" POND
         "she's in the cemtary"
         she's cut up and her body parts are spread around
         she is at the MOKO apts.
         she is at the whitehouse apts
         I never said MOKO kermit I said Montanja

TED KOPPEL: VAT A MINUTE! You got a million dollars after selling off your stocks and resigning from your company and switching assets to another company of yours and then you asked for donations and then you came home after mapping for oil in Aruba and after trying to "strike deals" to sell the ROV images of the cage/trap that you allowed ONLY ARUBA DIVERS to collect evidence and you denied the family and FBI any of that information? Is that correct Mister Peahead?

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