Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 - 3/6/09

[jen3560]

I've never read all of Kyle's posts at BFN, found an interesting one.  This is crazy!

oceanexploration
Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - MAR. 2008 (1)
 on: March 18, 2008, 08:49:01 PM

"I don't know what thread this belongs but I'm sure you can move it where it belongs.  Sorry but this needs to be said:

As a true leader, John Silvetti was the first in Aruba and the last to leave for home.  He worked tirelessly to lead the project in the field, as well as keep his companies afloat from abroad.  What I find truly remarkable, is his dedication to building relationships.  You would read that sentence and let it go thinking he is building relationships to gain trust for his agenda.  Not so. John made all relationships important, from Richardson and Mos, to all the people in service at the hotels that he stayed.  While sharing breakfast with John one morning at the hotel, ALL the people who worked at the hotel who passed John smiled warmly and respectfully and said hello to him.  I'll take a risk at sharing this... He heard about an upcoming birthday of one of the servers at the hotel and bought them a cake and gave them a company t-shirt. Why?  Because he believes you should have a cake and get a present on your birthday.  John demonstrated love not just for the sake of Natalee and her family, but for his team, for his country, and for all the people he came in contact with regardless of nationality, job description, or what they could do for him. John never cared about attention, but rather shunned it.  John never showed selfishness, but was consistently selfless.  He is the most genuinely impressive character I have come in contact with in a long time.  It's a pleasure to call him friend and an honor to work by his side."

   Is one of them schizophrenic?     



Kermit, can you give us the rest of this post?  All I can find is this line...


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18 -
« Reply #430 on: February 18, 2009, 09:24:58 PM »

March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg679597#msg679597

 

tsk tsk Kyle!!

What about when you told us John was upset with Dateline because they didn't give him the credit he was due?

The more I think about that comment from Kyle in the post above, the more it irks me.

Consistently selfless?

Kyle wrote on June 13 2008:

John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.
*********

Was that an act of selflessness?  I would beg to differ.

Kyle wrote on June 29 2008:

I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies.

*******

How about these actions?  Are they those of a selfless man?  I think not.


Kyle wrote on June 29 2008:

- I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.

I'm curious if the birds connects the dots and figures out what John will do before he knows what he's doing. Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. I'll be at his house in about 5-6 hours.
****************

The above posts were made by Kyle after the Freebirds had posted in a timeline all the information we had compiled on both John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer.  Kyle couldn't stress enough that we should sit tight on the info, not do or say anything about it to anyone - and this was the first stage he brought up information being handled in a "legal manner".

Then when he returned, 8 days later, he put up this post on July 7 2008:

Greetings,

As a quick update:

- Tim Trahan was just let go. He'll be unemployed by the end of the month. This comes as a complete suprise to me. Underwater Expeditions is being dissolved. More details later.
- John says he knows nothing of the Aruban pipeline project.
- Tim Miller is not involved in the pond search.
- The pond search is still being planned.

I'll be headed out to Norway this evening. I'll be back in about 40-60 days, but should have internet access.

Blessings to all,

~K
---------------

Most of that post we now know were complete and total lies.

[jen3560]

Hi Monks - hope everyone is well....

Somewhere along the line you all seemed to have missed a post by Kyle, or maybe you didn't miss by I am not seeing it discussed and I have been waiting for you to make the connection.

In that post Kyle indicates that they MOVE closer to shore after mapping deeper water and they appear to then find that trap. Kyle says that they were off shore 8-10 miles and that he indicates that they found the trap where Tim or Dave said it would be - 2 miles off - and then says that the trap was 2.1 - 2.2 (if HE recalls correctly). I remember that they move closer for a specific reason from that post.

Link those dates - and you have even more info.

Hope everyone is well and healthy, and of course warm.

Take care for now.

(BTW - Kyle posted the pond longs and lats on the open forum, that's how I found it on Google Earth and screen captured it and he concurred it was the pond next to the soccer field.)

Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.
 
Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
 
 

Wonder if he made a BOO-BOO here.

I'm so confused!

Me Too Lifesong....Me Too! 

Lifesong/hotping:
This was just my inference only.
After reading, it appeared to me OE's statement implies inside knowledge, not available to most.
I could totally be wrong. That is why I asked for others thoughts?
Sorry if I confused you both.
BUCKSHOT

I think that post of his about Joran not being re-arrested was in response to posts made on message boards and on his blog about the Range Rover confessions that had recently come out - and Mos' decision to not re-arrest Joran.  I really don't think there was anything more to it than that.

[BUCKSHOT]

Hi Monks - hope everyone is well....

Somewhere along the line you all seemed to have missed a post by Kyle, or maybe you didn't miss by I am not seeing it discussed and I have been waiting for you to make the connection.

In that post Kyle indicates that they MOVE closer to shore after mapping deeper water and they appear to then find that trap. Kyle says that they were off shore 8-10 miles and that he indicates that they found the trap where Tim or Dave said it would be - 2 miles off - and then says that the trap was 2.1 - 2.2 (if HE recalls correctly). I remember that they move closer for a specific reason from that post.

Link those dates - and you have even more info.

Hope everyone is well and healthy, and of course warm.

Take care for now.

(BTW - Kyle posted the pond longs and lats on the open forum, that's how I found it on Google Earth and screen captured it and he concurred it was the pond next to the soccer field.)

Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.
 
Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
 
 

Wonder if he made a BOO-BOO here.

I'm so confused!

Me Too Lifesong....Me Too! 

Lifesong/hotping:
This was just my inference only.
After reading, it appeared to me OE's statement implies inside knowledge, not available to most.
I could totally be wrong. That is why I asked for others thoughts?
Sorry if I confused you both.
BUCKSHOT

I think that post of his about Joran not being re-arrested was in response to posts made on message boards and on his blog about the Range Rover confessions that had recently come out - and Mos' decision to not re-arrest Joran.  I really don't think there was anything more to it than that.

thanks for the clarification.
just read into it too much.

[Cageman]

Thank you, Cageman!  We are getting better after only four years with our translating? 


Still, sometimes I can't even get a clue what an article is about at all.  Which language do you think is predominant in Papiamentu?  It sounds more Portuguese to me, beautiful sounds.

I believe it is still not known what the linguistic fundament is of Papiamentu. The name papiamentu is supposed to be derived from "papear", which means "to chat" or "chatter" as well in Portuguese as in Old Spanish. Both can be the origin but also African, Dutch and English words are used. Actually, for me it was an easy language to learn.
This book is very nice, "The story of Papiamentu, A study in Slavery and Language" by Gary C. Fouse. ISBN 0-7618-2323-9. (In English!)

[Anna]

Thank you, Cageman!  We are getting better after only four years with our translating? 


Still, sometimes I can't even get a clue what an article is about at all.  Which language do you think is predominant in Papiamentu?  It sounds more Portuguese to me, beautiful sounds.

I believe it is still not known what the linguistic fundament is of Papiamentu. The name papiamentu is supposed to be derived from "papear", which means "to chat" or "chatter" as well in Portuguese as in Old Spanish. Both can be the origin but also African, Dutch and English words are used. Actually, for me it was an easy language to learn.
This book is very nice, "The story of Papiamentu, A study in Slavery and Language" by Gary C. Fouse. ISBN 0-7618-2323-9. (In English!)

Thank you, Cageman.  I have retained this information and will consult Amazon.com and see if they have it and how much it costs.  I continue to hope that we soon will not need to translate and there will be a resolution of this tragedy.

Thanks again for your help to us.

Anna

[jen3560]

Hi Monks - hope everyone is well....

Somewhere along the line you all seemed to have missed a post by Kyle, or maybe you didn't miss by I am not seeing it discussed and I have been waiting for you to make the connection.

In that post Kyle indicates that they MOVE closer to shore after mapping deeper water and they appear to then find that trap. Kyle says that they were off shore 8-10 miles and that he indicates that they found the trap where Tim or Dave said it would be - 2 miles off - and then says that the trap was 2.1 - 2.2 (if HE recalls correctly). I remember that they move closer for a specific reason from that post.

Link those dates - and you have even more info.

Hope everyone is well and healthy, and of course warm.

Take care for now.

(BTW - Kyle posted the pond longs and lats on the open forum, that's how I found it on Google Earth and screen captured it and he concurred it was the pond next to the soccer field.)

Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.
 
Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
 
 

Wonder if he made a BOO-BOO here.

I'm so confused!

Me Too Lifesong....Me Too! 

Lifesong/hotping:
This was just my inference only.
After reading, it appeared to me OE's statement implies inside knowledge, not available to most.
I could totally be wrong. That is why I asked for others thoughts?
Sorry if I confused you both.
BUCKSHOT

I think that post of his about Joran not being re-arrested was in response to posts made on message boards and on his blog about the Range Rover confessions that had recently come out - and Mos' decision to not re-arrest Joran.  I really don't think there was anything more to it than that.

thanks for the clarification.
just read into it too much.

No problem 

I wouldn't ever want to speak for kermit - but I believe those posts were made to simply show a timeframe.

They had been searching in deep waters (at Richardson's behest) ever since diving on the cage, and had only recently returned to shallow waters as of the date of that post.  I think the other post (containing info on Joran's non re-arrest) was just to show what else was going on at the time.  Mos' decision...........Dateline aired..............etc.

   I think.  Like I said - I don't want to speak for the frog, and I may have that wrong - but after posting with my green buddy for so long.................I think that's what the post was for.

[Lifesong]

Hi Monks - hope everyone is well....

Somewhere along the line you all seemed to have missed a post by Kyle, or maybe you didn't miss by I am not seeing it discussed and I have been waiting for you to make the connection.

In that post Kyle indicates that they MOVE closer to shore after mapping deeper water and they appear to then find that trap. Kyle says that they were off shore 8-10 miles and that he indicates that they found the trap where Tim or Dave said it would be - 2 miles off - and then says that the trap was 2.1 - 2.2 (if HE recalls correctly). I remember that they move closer for a specific reason from that post.

Link those dates - and you have even more info.

Hope everyone is well and healthy, and of course warm.

Take care for now.

(BTW - Kyle posted the pond longs and lats on the open forum, that's how I found it on Google Earth and screen captured it and he concurred it was the pond next to the soccer field.)

Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.
 
Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
 
 

Wonder if he made a BOO-BOO here.

I'm so confused!

Me Too Lifesong....Me Too! 

Lifesong/hotping:
This was just my inference only.
After reading, it appeared to me OE's statement implies inside knowledge, not available to most.
I could totally be wrong. That is why I asked for others thoughts?
Sorry if I confused you both.
BUCKSHOT

Thank you, Buckshot, I'm sure I was already confused!  I was teetering on the edge anyway and Rob's post pushed me right over! 

 

I couldn't keep up with other sites too, I'm swimming as fast as I can to keep up here!  If there was anything of substance to it I'm certain it would pass in front of me here.  The other stuff, thank god, is not my concern since the drive-bys have stopped.  Huge difference between interpreting the facts differently and completely ignoring that they exist.

Thanks for the flashlight, Jen!  I haven't made it to the Range Rovers dates yet...I'll get there!

[Anna]

So Kyle knew about the pipeline and Silvetti didn't?

GMAB! 

Gee, you'd think Kyle would just tell him, huh?


 

[jen3560]

So Kyle knew about the pipeline and Silvetti didn't?

GMAB! 

Gee, you'd think Kyle would just tell him, huh?


 

 

Actually, we had found that June 8 article regarding a pipeline between Aruba and Venezuela - and had included it in speculation about Silvetti's business contacts he had made while there.

So, supposedly, that's how/when/where Kyle learned of it. 

But you bring up an interesting point.  IF Silvetti had no prior knowledge of it (and that's a big IF for me), then I do wonder if Kyle didn't tell him about it when he got to John's house later that day. 

[Anna]

So Kyle knew about the pipeline and Silvetti didn't?

GMAB! 

Gee, you'd think Kyle would just tell him, huh?


 

Of course, Anna, everyone in that industry knew all about all the work that was going to take place in that region.  They could just look at the brochure in the PDF that KTF posted for an overview.  Likely the biggest piece of action on the planet for underwater exploration and work.

It was common knowledge and I am sure everybody in the industry knew it and discussed it a great deal among themselves.

.

[jen3560]

Thank you, Buckshot, I'm sure I was already confused!  I was teetering on the edge anyway and Rob's post pushed me right over! 

 

I couldn't keep up with other sites too, I'm swimming as fast as I can to keep up here!  If there was anything of substance to it I'm certain it would pass in front of me here.  The other stuff, thank god, is not my concern since the drive-bys have stopped.  Huge difference between interpreting the facts differently and completely ignoring that they exist.

Thanks for the flashlight, Jen!  I haven't made it to the Range Rovers dates yet...I'll get there!

Anytime!! 

[hotping]

Hi Monks - hope everyone is well....

Somewhere along the line you all seemed to have missed a post by Kyle, or maybe you didn't miss by I am not seeing it discussed and I have been waiting for you to make the connection.

In that post Kyle indicates that they MOVE closer to shore after mapping deeper water and they appear to then find that trap. Kyle says that they were off shore 8-10 miles and that he indicates that they found the trap where Tim or Dave said it would be - 2 miles off - and then says that the trap was 2.1 - 2.2 (if HE recalls correctly). I remember that they move closer for a specific reason from that post.

Link those dates - and you have even more info.

Hope everyone is well and healthy, and of course warm.

Take care for now.

(BTW - Kyle posted the pond longs and lats on the open forum, that's how I found it on Google Earth and screen captured it and he concurred it was the pond next to the soccer field.)

Fri 22-Feb 1300 hrs
The Persistence is working in shallow waters today. Working in shallow waters is in one sense a relief compared to the deep water areas. The shallower water is protected by the island both in terms of wind and currents. As a result, the area is serene and beautiful. On the other hand, the shallow water area contains its own set of hazards. Closer to shore, passing boats, coral, and underwater obstructions increase the risk of damaging equipment.
 
Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
 
 

Wonder if he made a BOO-BOO here.

I'm so confused!

Me Too Lifesong....Me Too! 

Lifesong/hotping:
This was just my inference only.
After reading, it appeared to me OE's statement implies inside knowledge, not available to most.
I could totally be wrong. That is why I asked for others thoughts?
Sorry if I confused you both.
BUCKSHOT

Buckshot...No need to apologize...It wasn't Your post that confused Me it is the whole situation with the Persistence and what happened while They were there in Aruba.....Its just a Very Sad Situation for Everyone that Trusted Them (The ones that have actually read Kyle's own Words) .. Sorry that You thought You confused Me... That is not the case..... 

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle Kingman was following through with his objectiveto tell the story behind the search when he sent the first set of ROV images to the FBI ... when he  contacted the administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds for assistance in his desire to tell the story behind the searh.

Kyle ... why did you backtrack on your initial honorable intentions?  Was it the major network deals with Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer?  Was it the carrot that was dangled by John Silvetti in regards to career opportunities?

Kyle ... when all is said and done ... it is not worth it.  For the sake of justice that has been denied an 18 year old American citizen ... for the sake of Natalee Holloway's parents who have been denied a measure of closure ... for your own sake and the ones you love ... for the sake of your Christian testimony ... for the sake of those who believed in the Persistence undertaking and contributed through prayers and support ... please do what is right.

Proverbs 22:1
A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches.

Matthew 16:26
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?

Janet

++++++++


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #702 12/7/2007
« Reply #728 on: December 08, 2007, 04:07:06 AM »

However, my purpose here is not to slander them, nor bring self-glory.  I want to connect genuine people who are persuers of truth to the object of their pursuit. Further, I want to tell the story of the search which goes far beyond what the press can cover. I mean the people behind the scenes, the emotional aspects, and things you can't get in a two minute YouTube clip from Fox.  I think that is fair and deserved for the people who followed this from the beginning.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.msg315184;topicseen#msg315184

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

I am off for a few hours.

Have a good day!

Janet
9:00 AM PT

[Frank]

Rape 'Harmless Fun' Says Lawyer (Bahrain)
Gulf Daily News ^ | 3/4/2009 | NOOR TOORANI

Posted on Wed Mar 4 08:46:01 2009 by Dallas59

THE alleged abduction and gang rape of a woman was dismissed as harmless fun by a female defence lawyer in a Bahrain trial yesterday.

Three men accused of the attack should be acquitted because young people often commit crimes for "fun", without criminal intent, said lawyer Fatima Al Hawaj.

The men, aged 19, 20 and 21, are accused at the High Criminal Court of snatching a Filpina off the street as she walked home from work at night, last September.

They allegedly drove her to an isolated area in Askar, gang raped her and then abandoned her, after stealing her mobile phone and purse.

All three deny abduction, rape and theft.

Ms Al Hawaj told judges that her clients were youngsters and that "minors' often committed crimes for fun, without ill-intent.

"It is general knowledge that youngsters commit crimes for the fun of it and not with the intention to harm others and I request the court to take that into consideration and clear my clients of the charges," she argued.

The 24-year-old woman failed to show up in court yesterday for cross-examination despite knowing about the session.

Attorney Mohammed Al Mutawa stepped in mid-session, saying he represented her and pledged to bring her to the next hearing.

Grab

"I am representing her in this case and she knows about the hearing, but couldn't make it due to personal reasons. I pledge to personally bring her to the next session," he told judges.

The woman was allegedly walking home from the hotel she works in Manama when the men, who were driving a rented car, followed her.

Prosecutors claim they grabbed her hands and dragged her into their car, drove her to a secluded area in Askar and gang-raped her.

The men then allegedly stole her mobile phone and purse, which contained cash and dumped her in the middle of the desert. She later managed to identify her abductors' car and the rape kit results were positive for the defendants' DNA, said the prosecution. Judges adjourned the case to April 12, to summon the woman for cross-examination

[Keepthefaith]

Acergy....Had dealings with Cal Dive

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/financialreports/Jun.02.2008_Form20F.pdf




http://www.acergy-group.com/public/AboutUs

Adding that the Houston address 10787 Clay Rd for Acergy also has this connection

  VOORHIES, JUDSON A

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 ACERGY US INC
 S&H DIVING, LLC
 SERIMAX NORTH AMERICA, LLC
 SO CONTRACTING INC
 STOLT COMEX SEAWAY CONCRETE PRODUCTS CORPORATION  322B Heymann Blvd , LAFAYETTE, LA 70503
2711 Centerville Rd  #400, WILMINGTON, DE 19808
11961 Fm 529 Rd  #A, HOUSTON, TX 77041
10787 Clay Rd , HOUSTON, TX 77041   

Don't know how common Voorhies is but,it would be interesting to follow this one!

[caesu]

Bijleveld meets with the
Second Chamber today

~ Progress with constitutional reform on agenda ~

 Three agenda points of Wednesday’s meeting will have to do with Aruba and the incident of early February involving a confidential document of the Dutch Representation. Bijleveld-Schouten has sent two letters to the Second Chamber on this issue. Both letters are on the agenda.

The third agenda point will concern questions by Member of Parliament Fleur Agema of the Party for Freedom PVV about remarks by Aruba’s Minister of Justice Rudy Croes that he wanted the Dutch intelligence officer in Aruba to leave the island following the incident with the Dutch document. Close to three hours has been reserved for the meeting.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l244/bijlel244.html

this debate has already been held now. some things came out of it:

Member of Parliaments asked to have more VNO-reports released.
Bijleveld will release more information about the state of law enforcement on Aruba.
this will include a summary of earlier VNO-reports.

after this the parliament will consider to establish a workgroup to investigate law enforcement on Aruba.

Bijleveld is very worried about Aruba.

Remkes wants to use statute article 43 to restore rule of law on Aruba.
there is no way relocation of the Appeals Court to Aruba can happen because Aruba can't handle that.

Brinkman wants to send the Marine Corps to Aruba to restore order.

Brinkman also asked about the Landsrecherche investigation in Holloway-case.
he doesn't have any trust in that as the corrupt are investigating themselves.
he asks how long this will go on and when the Dutch are going to have the Rijksrecherche investigate.
he said he won't back down on this issue.

next week Oduber comes over to The Netherlands.


only this in Dutch media about it:
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20090304_algemeen_overleg

but maybe more will follow in the coming days when Aruba responds.

[Keepthefaith]

Copy and paste crew started very early this morning!

[caesu]

Stanford's Rocky Start

The banker accused of running an $8 billion fraud wasn't always a business success

It didn't take long for Stanford to set out on a new course and reinvent himself -- this time as an offshore banker with a wealth of experience in the financial-services industry. In 1985, during an extended stay in the Caribbean, where he was giving scuba diving lessons and looking for investors in a Houston-based real estate venture, Stanford met up with Frans Vingerhoedt, a European living in Aruba. The two men became fast friends and came up with the idea of starting an offshore bank in the nearby British territory of Montserrat, say people familiar with Stanford. Vingerhoedt, who has been at Stanford's side ever since the bank opened for business, declined to comment. The SEC hasn't accused Vingerhoedt of any wrongdoing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29509611/

[wreck]

So Kyle knew about the pipeline and Silvetti didn't?

GMAB! 

Gee, you'd think Kyle would just tell him, huh?


 

 

Actually, we had found that June 8 article regarding a pipeline between Aruba and Venezuela - and had included it in speculation about Silvetti's business contacts he had made while there.

So, supposedly, that's how/when/where Kyle learned of it. 

But you bring up an interesting point.  IF Silvetti had no prior knowledge of it (and that's a big IF for me), then I do wonder if Kyle didn't tell him about it when he got to John's house later that day. 

Kyle out and lied to me here on the forum. He stated that the Persistence was NOT doing any mapping for pipelines and 'did not even have that kind of capability'.