Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 - 3/6/09

[Anna]

Do you think jen's response to BFN will be copied and pasted???? ....................... I doubt it.

No, according to the head of that blog THEY do not copy and paste.  What do you think?

   Well, do you think any of them will actually READ it at SM??

No doubt about it.  They now have all the CnG group (formerly SM) posting there.

Anyone else ever notice how former posters from here attacked and attacked and attacked other posters.  They then go elsewhere and pretend THEY were the ones being attacked.

Just unreal to me.

[Anna]

Do you think jen's response to BFN will be copied and pasted???? ....................... I doubt it.

No, according to the head of that blog THEY do not copy and paste.  What do you think?

   Well, do you think any of them will actually READ it at SM??

No doubt about it.  They now have all the CnG group (formerly SM) posting there.

cNg posting at BFN?? WoW..How disappointing!

I guess I have to eat my words about BFN never bashing other forums, too.

 

But I don't see how anyone that actually reads what Kyle Kingman posted could come to any different conclusions than have been expressed here.  It would raise concerns to any thinking person.

 

[Anna]

O/T  Did anyone else notice that huge lottery winning in New Jersey.

And 2NJ just happens to be missing???

You don't suppose?

 

Just kidding but did think of her when I saw where the winning ticket was sold.

 

[Sam]

I am still praying for Justice for Natalee and her family and loved ones.

Sam

[wreck]

O/T  Did anyone else notice that huge lottery winning in New Jersey.

And 2NJ just happens to be missing???

You don't suppose?

 

Just kidding but did think of her when I saw where the winning ticket was sold.

 

We are also on "MegaMillions" in Texas...........................$137 Million (Cash Value!) down the drain!!! 

[Tamikosmom]

Do you think jen's response to BFN will be copied and pasted???? ....................... I doubt it.

No, according to the head of that blog THEY do not copy and paste.  What do you think?

   Well, do you think any of them will actually READ it at SM??

No doubt about it.  They now have all the CnG group (formerly SM) posting there.

Anyone else ever notice how former posters from here attacked and attacked and attacked other posters.  They then go elsewhere and pretend THEY were the ones being attacked.

Just unreal to me.

I read on the Gold Monkey discussion forum where SS was undermining me by mimicking my writing style.  That bothered me to some extent because my writing style has nothing to do with the Persistence topic ... the CAPS topic.  I would rather SS would just say ... I disagree with Tamikosmom position on Kyle Kingman/John Silvetti because ....

However ... what really hurt was Vicky's response.

Other than positive communication which involved the Aruba protests ... I do not believe we have ever dialogued.

 

Janet

[Anna]

O/T  Did anyone else notice that huge lottery winning in New Jersey.

And 2NJ just happens to be missing???

You don't suppose?

 

Just kidding but did think of her when I saw where the winning ticket was sold.

 

We are also on "MegaMillions" in Texas...........................$137 Million (Cash Value!) down the drain!!! 

Still no Lottery allowed in Alabama, Wreck.  I have to go to Georgia or Tennessee for a ticket.  But when it gets really big, that's what I do.

[wreck]

O/T  Did anyone else notice that huge lottery winning in New Jersey.

And 2NJ just happens to be missing???

You don't suppose?

 

Just kidding but did think of her when I saw where the winning ticket was sold.

 

We are also on "MegaMillions" in Texas...........................$137 Million (Cash Value!) down the drain!!! 

IF I would have won -- there would have been an extra candy cane in each of your stockings next Christmas! 

[Keepthefaith]

Do you think jen's response to BFN will be copied and pasted???? ....................... I doubt it.

No, according to the head of that blog THEY do not copy and paste.  What do you think?

   Well, do you think any of them will actually READ it at SM??

No doubt about it.  They now have all the CnG group (formerly SM) posting there.

Anyone else ever notice how former posters from here attacked and attacked and attacked other posters.  They then go elsewhere and pretend THEY were the ones being attacked.

Just unreal to me.

I read on the Gold Monkey discussion forum where SS was undermining me by mimicking my writing style.  That bothered me to some extent because my writing style has nothing to do with the Persistence topic ... the CAPS topic.  I would rather SS would just say ... I disagree with Tamikosmom position on Kyle Kingman/John Silvetti because ....

However ... what really hurt was Vicky's response.

Other than positive communication which involved the Aruba protests ... I do not believe we have ever dialogued.

 

Janet

It shows you what they are made of Janet!I will always be on the side of reason,as well as logic!Two traits i think you exude very well!They still have a few that need to come over for their information,as well as Fodder.Otherwise their chat would be silent..Without SM.They'd have nothing to talk about!

[Tamikosmom]

I am still praying for Justice for Natalee and her family and loved ones.

Sam

Sam ... I believe that Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway is just an illusion.  However ... If Kyle Kingman would step forward and reveal all in regards to the happening he observed on the Persistence in regards to the recovery process of the samples taken from that trap ... a measure a closure could be afforded the family ... the family who has yet to wake up from an almost four year nightmare.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

[Anna]

Do you think jen's response to BFN will be copied and pasted???? ....................... I doubt it.

No, according to the head of that blog THEY do not copy and paste.  What do you think?

   Well, do you think any of them will actually READ it at SM??

No doubt about it.  They now have all the CnG group (formerly SM) posting there.

Anyone else ever notice how former posters from here attacked and attacked and attacked other posters.  They then go elsewhere and pretend THEY were the ones being attacked.

Just unreal to me.

I read on the Gold Monkey discussion forum where SS was undermining me by mimicking my writing style.  That bothered me to some extent because my writing style has nothing to do with the Persistence topic ... the CAPS topic.  I would rather SS would just say ... I disagree with Tamikosmom position on Kyle Kingman/John Silvetti because ....

However ... what really hurt was Vicky's response.

Other than positive communication which involved the Aruba protests ... I do not believe we have ever dialogued.

 

Janet

It was the same with me and HotShots, Tamikasmom.  I had never exchanged anything with her before she attacked me as she did.  And I certainly wasn't contributing much to the discussion at the time, either.  Barely posting, just reading and minding my own business.

So evidently it is not always triggered by what you do or are doing but some issue or other within the ones who feel the need to attack others.

But I do remember when HS was banned long ago for being part of another forum that set itself up and even had a direct feed from SM into its forum!

And a lot of us begged that she be allowed back in, myself included.

So I guess we are just often time blindsided by these attacks and will never understand or know why they happen or what people are thinking.

But when they then pretend they were the ones attacked, I must admit it makes me just want to barf.

[wreck]

I am still just waiting for ONE rational rebuttal to what has been posted here -- just ONE. I guess they are too proud to even consider they may have been duped.

[Keepthefaith]

I am still praying for Justice for Natalee and her family and loved ones.

Sam

Sam ... I believe that Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway is just an illusion.  However ... If Kyle Kingman would step forward and reveal all in regards to the happening he observed on the Persistence in regards to the recovery process of the samples taken from that trap ... a measure a closure could be afforded the family ... the family who has yet to wake up from an almost four year nightmare.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

LOGIC DICTATES

[Tamikosmom]

I am still praying for Justice for Natalee and her family and loved ones.

Sam

Sam ... I believe that Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway is just an illusion.  However ... If Kyle Kingman would step forward and reveal all in regards to the happening he observed on the Persistence in regards to the recovery process of the samples taken from that trap ... a measure a closure could be afforded the family ... the family who has yet to wake up from an almost four year nightmare.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

LOGIC DICTATES

Hugs

Janet

[Lifesong]

So, I've been reading up on marine archeologists...my first impressions are completely absurd.  I am surely reading this wrong...


1.  What does a marine archeologist do?: 

Tell us more about your research and the types of things you do.

As an marine archaeologist for NOAA’s Office of Ocean Exploration, I coordinate maritime heritage activities for the program. Since we concentrate on the initial phases of marine archaeology – investigation and discovery of shipwrecks - my hydrographic experience comes in handy. Hydrographers use remote sensing tools to explore the ocean floor and help create nautical charts for safe navigation. We can also use these tools to find lost shipwrecks and delineate prehistoric landscapes.


Helping other researchers find new shipwrecks is one step in the process of better understanding our maritime past. Managing remote sensing data and creating a useful inventory also help researchers learn more and better manage these sites. In some cases, these newly discovered shipwrecks need protection and preservation. I also work closely with other NOAA programs to help establish shipwreck policies with other federal and state agencies that best meet the needs of the public and communities.



2.  Underwater and Maritime Archaeology

General Resources
A Guide to Underwater Archaeology Resources on the Internet
Directory of Underwater Archaeology Resources on the Web
ASSONET - Archeologia Subacquea Speleologia Organizzazione NETwork
North American Shipwrecks Database FAQ
UK Diving Wreck Database (searchable)
Western Australia Museum Maritime Museum Wreck Finder
Virtual Museum of Nautical Archaeology
Links zur Unterwasserarch�ologie im Internet
National Shipwreck Database, Australian National Maritime Museum
National Register of Historic Vessels, Australia
Archaeology on the Net - Underwater Archeaology
Underwater Archaeology
Network for Underwater Archaeology
Underwater Archaeology and Maritime History Jobs
Dive Dangers

Projects and Essays
The Torrent Shipwreck Project, Alaska
RS Operations - Specialists in organizing and conducting searches for lost shipwrecks
The Blackbeard's Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck Project
The Mombasa Wreck Excavation - The Santo Antonio de Tanna, Turkey
Dor Project - Two wrecks in the ancient harbour of Dor in Israel
Ocracoke Shipwreck Explorer
Underwater Mystery Unravels - Beijing, China
Benwood Historic Shipwreck 1942, Florida Keys
The Thaikkal Find - A Thousand-Year-Old Hull in India
Denbigh Project - Archaeology of a Confederate Blockade Runner
Emanuael Point Shipwreck, Florida
The Hunley Project
The La Salle Shipwreck Project
Little Salt Spring Underwater Archaeology Project
The Mary Rose
The Mast Wreck, Sweden
Operation Phips, Archeaological Rescue of a 17th Century Shipwreck
Port Royal Project
King �ystein`s Harbour at Agdenes - Norway
The Swan, Duart Point Shipwreck, Isle of Mull, Scotland
Schiffswracks im Bodensee - German
The Titanic
Shipwrecks of Angra Bay, Azores islands, Portugal
Archaeological Study of a Limestone Sinkhole: Diving in Manantial de la Aleta East National Park, Dominican Republic
Uluburun Wreck, Turkey
Mica Shipwreck in the Gulf of Mexico
Brederode - South Africa
Three Facets Of Maritime Archaeology: Society, Landscape and Critique
Museum of Tropical Queensland's Great Gallery and the Pandora Gallery

Regional
Maritime Archaeology in Northwest Russia
Nordic Underwater Archaeology
Black Sea Underwater Archaeology
Coastal Maritime Archaeology Resources (CMAR)
Indiana University's Underwater Science Program - Dominican Republic
Indiana University's Underwater Science Program - Florida Keys
Indiana University's Underwater Science Program - California
Michigan Underwater
Michigan Shipwrecks
Minnesota's Lake Superior Shipwrecks
North Caribbean Research
Japan's Underwater Stone Monuments
Ognina, Underwater archaeological survey off Sicily
Bureau of Archaeological Research - State of Florida
Submerged Cultural Resources Unit (SCRU) of the National Park Service
Thai Underwater Archeaology
Malta
Portugal
Lochaline Dive Centre, Scotland, specialist diving courses in underwater archaeology
Thomas Wilson (U.S. Registry 145616)
Maritime Lanka: maritime archaeology and history of Sri Lanka
Maritime Asia
Antique Ming pottery from historical shipwrecks
Marine Archaeology of the Caribbean Draft Final
Coastal Archaeology
Coastal Archaeology and Erosion in Scotland
Ocean Alaska Science and Learning Center, Research Project Summary Spring/Summer 2003: Coastal Archaeology Project [PDF]
England Coastal Archaeology
Foraminiferal Applications in Coastal Archaeology
FTZ Westcoast Coastal Archaeology
Cairns: a Coastal Archaeology View
Coastal Archaeology: Analyses of Past Socio-Economic Pathways
Coastal Archaeology of the Cromarty Firth [PDF]
A Strategy for Scotland's Coasts and Inshore waters, Scottish Coastal Forum [PDF]
Coastal Archaeology: 2,500-Year-Old Village Predates Agriculture - Rhode Island
The Kato Phana Archaeological Project, Chios
Early Holocene Coastlines of the California Bight: The Channel Islands as First Visited by Humans [PDF]

[Anna]

I am still just waiting for ONE rational rebuttal to what has been posted here -- just ONE. I guess they are too proud to even consider they may have been duped.

Me, too, Wreck.  Just one.

I'd even settle for an illogical one as long as it is not the one about photos with a green frog in them or how evil Anna is or what cruel bastards we all are.

Just one that even hints they have actually read the material presented would suffice.  So far, nothing I have seen indicates this has happened.

Otherwise, it's just totally bonkers to keep accusing SM of "slander" when it was always Kyle doing all the talking.

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle Kingman was following through with his objective to tell the story behind the search when he sent the first set of ROV images to the FBI ... when he  contacted the administrator of the Natalee's Freebirds for assistance in his desire to report the story behind the searh to the FBI ... to Beth Holloway.

Kyle ... why did you backtrack on your initial honorable intentions?  Was it the anticipation of  major network deals with Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer?  Was it the carrot that was dangled by John Silvetti in regards to career opportunities?

Kyle ... when all is said and done ... it is not worth it.  For the sake of justice that has been denied an 18 year old American citizen ... for the sake of Natalee Holloway's parents who have been denied a measure of closure ... for your own sake  ... fo the salke of those you love and love you ... for the sake of your Christian testimony ... for the sake of those who believed in the Persistence undertaking and contributed through prayers and monetary support ... please do what is right.

Proverbs 22:1
A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches.

Matthew 16:26
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?

Janet

++++++++


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #702 12/7/2007
« Reply #728 on: December 08, 2007, 04:07:06 AM »

However, my purpose here is not to slander them, nor bring self-glory.  I want to connect genuine people who are persuers of truth to the object of their pursuit. Further, I want to tell the story of the search which goes far beyond what the press can cover. I mean the people behind the scenes, the emotional aspects, and things you can't get in a two minute YouTube clip from Fox.  I think that is fair and deserved for the people who followed this from the beginning.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.msg315184;topicseen#msg315184

BUMPED

[Keepthefaith]

LifeSong..

OIL,SHIPWRECKS,OFFSHORE BUSINESSES...ANYTHING ELSE?

[Anna]

COPIED and PASTED from Tamikas earlier today:


PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
 Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

[Keepthefaith]

COPIED and PASTED from Tamikas earlier today:


PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
 Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

Send these two posts alone to CNG,GM,as well as BFN and see what their response is.WHAT DON"T THEY GET???????The game was fixed......