Caylee Marie Anthony #112 3/02/09 - 3/04/09

[trimmonthelake]

interesting enough.. mister CMA I LOVE YOU.. CMA I MISS YOU... lee himself wasnt there to support CMA ONE or CMA TWO.... does that mean he supports CMA  caylee ? I DONT THINK SO...

but still... lee not being there is interesting to me..

....Lee was managing the OC courthouse parking lots....he is a parking project manager doncha know

 

[Searching]

It is the 'blow me' photo many here believe is Casey. Somewhere there is a photoshop w/ the guys penis cut off the photo, lol. I can't find the shopped one. It was discussed till the cows came home many times. Casey or not...we cannot have the original here 

Ahh .. ok. I see. already seen both the shopped and non shopped.

[mytime]

I am not a Anthony supporter in any way shape or form. That being said - there was no way they could have got her the help she needed!!  Not a chance!!  It is only for the very poor or the very rich!  If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me what you would have done!!  I am open to all suggestions!!

And IMO, there was no way in hell could they have gotten custody of Caley either!!

We have a very flawed system!!   

No disagreement but I do have to say there are various options to get mental health assistance without being wealthy, esp when she was still under the age of 18 or 21 but not graduated from college (not applicable she was too lazy to finish a course to graduate HS).  Had Cindy not been an enabler & really addressed Casey's issues with school, the school system would have made suggestions for her to get Casey to counseling that was affordable.  

Really, like what??? 

Many psychologists take payment arrangements, there are clinic centers that offer counseling & treatment for less fortunate in virtually every county of every state in the US.  Within the Federal Government, The Bureau of  Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) provides a Health Center Database for a nationwide directory of clinics to obtain low or no-cost healthcare

   can you help me find one??  Part 2, Again, for the lower incomes!!  Middle to Upper middle class has very little options!!  I am living it and  I am very resourceful!  I have reached several dead ends.

Casey needed more than once a week with a clinical Pyschologist!!  IMO!! 

Hi Mytime, I don't know if you read my post, and I'm not sure where you are located.  But we through Catholic Charities in Dallas they have a mental health thing for people who cannot afford it. I know it is a sliding scale pay rate. I'm not sure if it is just counciling or there are MD that can write physchiatric meds. Also we have the county hospital that has in and out patient mental health facilities. Keep looking, I pray you get the help you need with this. JSM

LOL, thanks JSM!!  But I talking about help for children!!  Most treatment programs are at least $200 a day for one year - to really make a change!!  And they are all priviate pay!  Unless you a on medicade or very rich, most kids slip through the cracks!!

I am just saying Casey needed real help and I seriously doubt it could have been avaible to the Anthony's!! 

I understand what you are saying about the Medicaid and kids slipping through the cracks. But and it is a big but, if Cindy and George had acknowledged KC's problem early on, they would have had the money to afford treatment. KC put them in the financial fix they are in and they or at least Cindy kept covering it up. Instead of getting KC help in the beginning, Cindy swept the mental issues under the rug. JMO JSM. By the way I LOVE YOUR GREEN DRESS! 

I do agree!  and Thank you!! 

I am just so frustrated with our system!!  So just ignore me!!   

[trimmonthelake]

I'd bet my last oreo cookie on it....it's her.

Go to get a bowl of cereal and I missed it. 

[joesamas mama]

I am not a Anthony supporter in any way shape or form. That being said - there was no way they could have got her the help she needed!!  Not a chance!!  It is only for the very poor or the very rich!  If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me what you would have done!!  I am open to all suggestions!!

And IMO, there was no way in hell could they have gotten custody of Caley either!!

We have a very flawed system!!   

No disagreement but I do have to say there are various options to get mental health assistance without being wealthy, esp when she was still under the age of 18 or 21 but not graduated from college (not applicable she was too lazy to finish a course to graduate HS).  Had Cindy not been an enabler & really addressed Casey's issues with school, the school system would have made suggestions for her to get Casey to counseling that was affordable.  

If Cindy or family would have kept meticulous notes and documented KC's behavior, they could have presented to the court that Caylee was in danger and gotten custody. How much you wanna bet that Cindy's anal behavior dictated this if she really was going for custody. Though I'm sure those notes have long been burned. 

Here in Florida, at least my area, it is very hard to find affordable or even available mental health coverage. The only was this could have happened is if they had documented KC's behavior and reported it to DCF than they could have Caylee removed from KC custody providing the court saw enough evidence.  That being said, DCF could have forced her into counseling with one of their providers. The state would have paid for counseling and parenting classes.  However, for Cindy to get custody, permanent or temporary, DCF would have had to do a homestudy on her and George.  If they did not pass the homestudy, than Caylee could have been placed in foster care. 
I once had a family in counseling, the dad did not participate, but he was probaly one of the most disturbed individuals that I had ever seen.  His children suffered tremendously, I reported this family to DCF due to several concerns, but I had no luck getting the children into a safe and sane environment. 
Seeing how CinCin behaves, I doubt that she would have taken the risk of having DCF into her home.  It would have meant having to give up some control.

3babies, are we talking about getting KC the help she needed as a young adult before Caylee? Or after Caylee? Cindy knew KC was nuts pre Caylee. So she would have been on Cindy's insurance at that time. Insurance may have covered some counciling, but not much. If we are talking after Caylee was born, since KC was an adult she would have had to seek the counciling herself unless there was PROOF she was a harm to herself or to Caylee. So yes, you are correct that is very hard to prove.

JSM,
I was talking once she had Caylee.  Pre Caylee, is a whole different story, imo.  If Cin took KC to counseling as a child, than Cin would  have had to be accountable to what she was doing as a parent and take her own corrective action and alter her own behaviors.  Most counselors, including myself, would not see a child unless the parent(s) also participated.  Unless they were all willing to address issues and participate in therapy, than counseling is a moot point.   From what I see of this family, they will not admit that there are problems.  It is easier to ignore than take action.  There are many families, that thrive from chaos and the chaos, in a very sick way brings them closer.  So KC could have gotten help as a child, would it have helped?  That would depend on the level on commitment from the family.  I don't see these people as wanting to themselves.

Thanks for the clarification 3 babies, that is what I thought you were saying. IMO they had the ways and means to get KC help, they knew she needed help, but getting mental help for KC didn't fit into Cindy's Leave it to Beaver lifestyle. These people enjoy family drama. They thrive off of it. If there is no drama, they create it. JMO JSM

[crazybabyborg]

For whatever it's worth, they were just saying on NG that since the only objection raised to the thousands of photos coming in from Photoshop was "relevance", that it's not a decision that could be reversed on appeal.

[marymary]

 

I do agree!  and Thank you!! 

I am just so frustrated with our system!!  So just ignore me!!   
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Somethings cannot be ignored.  And I agree about our system.   

[no rose colored glasses]

Hope I don't get into trouble for posting this but it's of Casey..

NO CAN DoooooooooooooEDIT BY MOD
This is why the defense doesn't want them released, I don't want to get in trouble, but it's a sexual act that Casey is performing.

I'm new to this site and I don't know how to navigate yet, I hope i  don't get kicked off!

editWe have all that info...no porn allowed here, sorry.

foooey,you got it before I got back to see..what was it?

I missed it also, what was the pic? 

[trimmonthelake]

It is the 'blow me' photo many here believe is Casey. Somewhere there is a photoshop w/ the guys penis cut off the photo, lol. I can't find the shopped one. It was discussed till the cows came home many times. Casey or not...we cannot have the original here 

Ahh .. ok. I see. already seen both the shopped and non shopped.

Oh,that photo. 

[Haydensguardian]

Thanks Mags yeah  my daughter though 18 was crushed she has 2 more one heart worm pos and a lil guy 7 months old, she going to college to be a Vet in Prevet now wondering how she is going to handle stuff like this, and realizing she is going to have a house full of animals...
Yeah Casey is getting porky and hope she chokes on that twinkie!!!! I would be more than happy to choke the breath out of her !!
Some people are just born to be evil then they try to get off on insanity she is sane just a mean self centered individual

[joesamas mama]

I am not a Anthony supporter in any way shape or form. That being said - there was no way they could have got her the help she needed!!  Not a chance!!  It is only for the very poor or the very rich!  If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me what you would have done!!  I am open to all suggestions!!

And IMO, there was no way in hell could they have gotten custody of Caley either!!

We have a very flawed system!!   

No disagreement but I do have to say there are various options to get mental health assistance without being wealthy, esp when she was still under the age of 18 or 21 but not graduated from college (not applicable she was too lazy to finish a course to graduate HS).  Had Cindy not been an enabler & really addressed Casey's issues with school, the school system would have made suggestions for her to get Casey to counseling that was affordable.  

Really, like what??? 

Many psychologists take payment arrangements, there are clinic centers that offer counseling & treatment for less fortunate in virtually every county of every state in the US.  Within the Federal Government, The Bureau of  Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) provides a Health Center Database for a nationwide directory of clinics to obtain low or no-cost healthcare

Also, Catholic Charities in Dallas has some kind of mental health counseling with a sliding pay scale. It goes by how much money a person makes. I just know this because I have seen it in my church bulletin. They also deal with addictions. I know there are resources out there. When I was just out of a bad relationship, I went to one of those kind of places. I was barely making minimum wage at the time, but it saved my sanity and made me realize there was no man in this world that I would let beat the crap out of me ever again. I think I paid around $10 bucks a session. JMO JSM

But the problem imho is you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.  I know a guy who was in intense counseling as a young 'un and he said he just spent all of his time there lying like a rug/snookered the shrink.     I'm sure KC would have played the same games even if she did have help.  But I guess we'll never know. 

Exactly right Foggy, I have a bil just like that. I'm sure she would've played her games, but I also blame Cindy for a lot of these problems. She had to know KC was mental, but Cindy fed KC and KC fed Cindy. They all needed mental help, but probably in their crazy ass minds didn't think anything was wrong. I hope that makes sense. JMO JSM

[no rose colored glasses]

It is the 'blow me' photo many here believe is Casey. Somewhere there is a photoshop w/ the guys penis cut off the photo, lol. I can't find the shopped one. It was discussed till the cows came home many times. Casey or not...we cannot have the original here 

Ahh .. ok. I see. already seen both the shopped and non shopped.

Oh,that photo. 

I was doing dishes, and thought I missed something I hadn't seen before. 

[trimmonthelake]

Hope I don't get into trouble for posting this but it's of Casey..

NO CAN DoooooooooooooEDIT BY MOD
This is why the defense doesn't want them released, I don't want to get in trouble, but it's a sexual act that Casey is performing.

I'm new to this site and I don't know how to navigate yet, I hope i  don't get kicked off!

editWe have all that info...no porn allowed here, sorry.

foooey,you got it before I got back to see..what was it?

I missed it also, what was the pic? 

NoRose,it's the picture we all saw a while back.
I bet we'll get some new info in the morning. 

[klaasend]

OMG Klaas   We did the same post!

Nope, I forgot to add the WOO HOO 

[Magic Eyes]

I am not a Anthony supporter in any way shape or form. That being said - there was no way they could have got her the help she needed!!  Not a chance!!  It is only for the very poor or the very rich!  If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me what you would have done!!  I am open to all suggestions!!

And IMO, there was no way in hell could they have gotten custody of Caley either!!

We have a very flawed system!!   

I definitely agree with you, I don't think there is a cure for evil.  I also grew up with a sociopath and unless they want help, which I don't think they ever do (they think they are normal and we are all crazy), it would of had to of been started years ago.  Who knows when a sociopath is going to go from crazy to murder?  I am still not sure if the whole family is evil or just caught up in Casey's evil.  I don't think anything we know of would of been reasons for Cindy to get custody of Caylee.  My parents tried for years with my sisters children, she literally abandoned them with my parents one by one.  I don't think from what I have seen and read, much has changed.  It is very hard to get a child away from it's mother.  So many children have been left with mother's only to be abused and even murdered.  In Oregon we had a little boy sent back to his mother recently and he ended up dead at the hand of her druggy boyfriend, while his mother did nothing.

I know one thing, if I had not seen my only daughter, and yes I have one a little older than Casey in months, I would of been in tears.  Not sitting there all composed like Cindy and George.  If her brother believes everything she says, why was he not there?  He could see CMA in person and flirt with her along with Baez.  Casey only acknowledged her parents when told to and with a fake, forced smile.  Guilt is written on her face, in her every move and gesture.  Pure evil.

[no rose colored glasses]

It sounds like the pictures are going to be released shortly, and the defense is saying Casey was tricked into attending the party. 

[joesamas mama]

I am not a Anthony supporter in any way shape or form. That being said - there was no way they could have got her the help she needed!!  Not a chance!!  It is only for the very poor or the very rich!  If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me what you would have done!!  I am open to all suggestions!!

And IMO, there was no way in hell could they have gotten custody of Caley either!!

We have a very flawed system!!   

No disagreement but I do have to say there are various options to get mental health assistance without being wealthy, esp when she was still under the age of 18 or 21 but not graduated from college (not applicable she was too lazy to finish a course to graduate HS).  Had Cindy not been an enabler & really addressed Casey's issues with school, the school system would have made suggestions for her to get Casey to counseling that was affordable.  

Really, like what??? 

Many psychologists take payment arrangements, there are clinic centers that offer counseling & treatment for less fortunate in virtually every county of every state in the US.  Within the Federal Government, The Bureau of  Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) provides a Health Center Database for a nationwide directory of clinics to obtain low or no-cost healthcare

   can you help me find one??  Part 2, Again, for the lower incomes!!  Middle to Upper middle class has very little options!!  I am living it and  I am very resourceful!  I have reached several dead ends.

Casey needed more than once a week with a clinical Pyschologist!!  IMO!! 

Hi Mytime, I don't know if you read my post, and I'm not sure where you are located.  But we through Catholic Charities in Dallas they have a mental health thing for people who cannot afford it. I know it is a sliding scale pay rate. I'm not sure if it is just counciling or there are MD that can write physchiatric meds. Also we have the county hospital that has in and out patient mental health facilities. Keep looking, I pray you get the help you need with this. JSM

LOL, thanks JSM!!  But I talking about help for children!!  Most treatment programs are at least $200 a day for one year - to really make a change!!  And they are all priviate pay!  Unless you a on medicade or very rich, most kids slip through the cracks!!

I am just saying Casey needed real help and I seriously doubt it could have been avaible to the Anthony's!! 

I understand what you are saying about the Medicaid and kids slipping through the cracks. But and it is a big but, if Cindy and George had acknowledged KC's problem early on, they would have had the money to afford treatment. KC put them in the financial fix they are in and they or at least Cindy kept covering it up. Instead of getting KC help in the beginning, Cindy swept the mental issues under the rug. JMO JSM. By the way I LOVE YOUR GREEN DRESS! 

I do agree!  and Thank you!! 

I am just so frustrated with our system!!  So just ignore me!!   

Thanks Mytime, and you are very welcome. The system is flawed, but if a parent of an underage child wants to get them help, there are ways to do it. Unfortunately at least in my family, we don't go crazy mental until we are of age. But I will say this about my mom, she would scrub floors if she thought we needed help and would go to counciling.

[Cappuccino]

OMG Klaas   We did the same post!

Nope, I forgot to add the WOO HOO 

[ISpy]

JSM,
I was talking once she had Caylee.  Pre Caylee, is a whole different story, imo.  If Cin took KC to counseling as a child, than Cin would  have had to be accountable to what she was doing as a parent and take her own corrective action and alter her own behaviors.  Most counselors, including myself, would not see a child unless the parent(s) also participated.  Unless they were all willing to address issues and participate in therapy, than counseling is a moot point.   From what I see of this family, they will not admit that there are problems.  It is easier to ignore than take action.  There are many families, that thrive from chaos and the chaos, in a very sick way brings them closer.  So KC could have gotten help as a child, would it have helped?  That would depend on the level on commitment from the family.  I don't see these people as wanting to themselves.

3Babiesmommy- I'm reading you loud and clear.  In the absence of normal emotional family bonding or attachment (which we generally reference as love), the prevailing force or drive becomes the bonding agent.  In other words, control/chaos/deception/physical abuse/emotional abuse become the shared, acceptable experience or environment that defines the family as a unit. That's one of the reasons, children of alcoholics have a higher risk of alcoholism.  It's also one of the reasons that children of abuse often become abusers themselves.  The patterns are ingrained into the children.  There are also generational curses involved, Biblically speaking.

[crazybabyborg]

It sounds like the pictures are going to be released shortly, and the defense is saying Casey was tricked into attending the party. 

An she certainly looks really pizzed about it in the pics, too!!!