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« on: February 28, 2009, 05:17:41 PM »

If you are frustrated with recent bailouts, tune in right now to FOX and listen to Rush's live address to the GOP group.  It's great.  (If you are BO supporter, ignore me!)
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 11:55:26 PM »

I was listening, Traci!!   

Did you see the snippet of Gingrich yesterday in the "Gingrich Obama Bush" thread? Its worth a watch if you missed it! 
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 12:35:20 AM »

In case anyone missed it, here's a part of the speech:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/rJCnh7WO4-g&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/rJCnh7WO4-g&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 06:26:42 AM »

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"Investing in green jobs also means keeping up with the modern economy. At a time when good jobs at good wages are harder and harder to come by, we must find new, innovative opportunities," Biden wrote in an op-ed piece published in today's Philadelphia Inquirer. "According to the Council of Economic Advisers, green jobs pay 10 to 20 percent more than other jobs. They also are more likely to be union jobs. Building a new power grid, manufacturing solar panels, weatherizing homes and office buildings, and renovating schools are just a few of the ways to create high-quality green jobs that strengthen the foundation of this country."

http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/2009/02/obama-presents-355-trillion-budget-for.html

Once you build the power grid, weatherize the homes & office buildings, renovate the schools, what do you do with all those unemployed people?  These people still need to eat, heat their homes, feed their children, buy clothing, bedding, etc.

The country used to be filled with good paying jobs, union and non-union.  Jobs that made the things people use everyday.  Not public works jobs that don't last.  Money will continue to flow out of this country and into the hand of super-rich people and companies that don't pay taxes like American businesses.  Some businesses in America have already outsourced their jobs to foreign lands to take advantage of cheap labor.  Free trade is the really the outflow of American money to others, and small Americans aren't invited to the party.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 06:29:05 AM »

I think Rush would not be popular with the Obama special interest groups.  I wonder how much his campaign made from companies (and their employees) like Citi, GM, Chrysler, and medical groups.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 08:14:50 PM »

Ol' Rush has said a lot of things in his career. Here are a few gems worth sharing:

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From the October 8, 1990 edition of Newsday an article reports that Rush admitted feeling guilty for once having told a difficult-to-understand black caller to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back."  (This incident occurred not on Rush Limbaugh's now-familiar talk and political commentary radio program, but at the beginning of his broadcast career back in the early 1970s when he was hosting a music show under the name "Jeff Christie" on either WIXZ or KQV in Pittsburgh.)  The same article also quotes Limbaugh as confirming that he did utter another line commonly mentioned in tandem with the "bone" quote: "Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
SOURCE

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Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
SOURCE

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There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods, which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.
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What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use.
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The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.
SOURCE: Rush Limbaugh TV show (10/5/95)

A three-year investigation into drug use by Rush Limbaugh ended abruptly when the conservative commentator was booked on a single charge of prescription fraud in a deal his attorney says spares him a trial.
SOURCE

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Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.
SOURCE: CBS SportsLine (27 January 2007)

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ON NFL QUARTERBACK DONOVAN MCNABB:  Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.
SOURCE:  The Rush Limbaugh Show (28 September 2003)

McNabb has led the Eagles to four consecutive NFC East division championships (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004), five NFC Championship Games (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008), and one Super Bowl (Super Bowl XXXIX, which the Eagles lost to the New England Patriots).

He is the Eagles' all-time leader in career wins, pass attempts, pass completions, passing yards, and passing touchdowns.
SOURCE

The media, the sports media, has got social concerns that they are first and foremost interested in, and they're dumping on this guy — Rex Grossman — for one reason, folks, and that's because he is a white quarterback ...They, they just want this guy not to do well 'cause he's a white quarterback ... But the guy's been targeted for destruction.
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (February 5, 2007)

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In an interview with U.S. News & World Report, conservative Christian leader Pat Robertson denounced talk show host Rush Limbaugh for saying he wants President Obama to fail.

"So you don't subscribe to Rush Limbaugh's "I hope he fails" school of thought?" asked interviewer Dan Gilgoff.

"That was a terrible thing to say," Robertson responded. "I mean, he's the president of all the country. If he succeeds, the country succeeds. And if he doesn't, it hurts us all. Anybody who would pull against our president is not exactly thinking rationally."
SOURCE:  U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT

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Hugo, Cesar — whatever. A Chavez is a Chavez. We've always had problems with them.
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (March 26, 2004)

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We're not sexists, we're chauvinists — we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want.
SOURCE:  The Rush Limbaugh Show (April 15, 2004)

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ON MICHAEL J. FOX:   He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act... This is really shameless of Michael J Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting.
SOURCE:  The Rush Limbaugh Show (October 23, 2006)

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FROM A TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW:  Q. I know you're not a hater, but don't you think you come across as mean when you call feminists ugly women who can't get dates?

A. No, it's not mean. I once wrote a newspaper column when I was in Sacramento, and I said feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.
SOURCE: TIME MAGAZINE (OCT. 26, 1992)

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On the occasion of Grateful Dead guitarist Jerry Garcia’s death:  "Just another dead doper. And a dirt bag."
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RUSH ON TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB:

"The babes are meting out the torture. ... it looks just like anything you'd see Madonna, or Britney Spears do on stage. ... this is something that you can see on stage at Lincoln Center from an NEA grant, maybe on Sex in the City -- the movie."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show -- show transcript (May 3, 2004)

"I think the reaction to the stupid torture is an example of the feminization of this country."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (May 5, 2004)

"If you have the passwords to these various porn sites, you can see things like this ... [Maybe the soldiers] are simply acting out what they've on these websites or something, just for the fun of it."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (May 7, 2004)

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"The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen," Limbaugh told his radio audience of 15 million to 20 million on Thursday. "Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression."

Apparently the tanking of the real estate market, record losses in the auto industry, and massive failures in the banking and investment industry have very little to do with our problems. The economic system is collapsing, Rush wants us to know, because it anticipates the tax increases Obama has pledged on capital gains and for the highest income earners.

But maybe that shouldn't be so surprising, because radio's Biggest Big Man also assures us that the Democrat welcomes "economic chaos" because it gives him "greater opportunity for expanded government." In a time when the nation calls out for cool leadership and rational discussion, Limbaugh stirs the caldron, a tendency he proved in a particularly grotesque way last week when he accused Obama's party of plotting a government takeover of 401(k) retirement plans.

"They're going to take your 401(k), put it in the Social Security trust fund, whatever the hell that is," Limbaugh woofed. "Trust fund, my rear end."

A slight problem with Limbaugh's report: Obama and the Democrats have proposed no such thing.

[...]

To broadcast such a report -- so drained of context as to constitute a lie -- would be a shameless act at any time. But Limbaugh needlessly stirred the fears of the millions he holds in his thrall -- making the 401(k) thievery sound like nearly a done deal.

[...]

Perhaps Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of those intent on poisoning the soil before bipartisanship can take root might recall words of wisdom from Brit Hume, a veteran newsman who is close to leaving the Fox anchor desk for semi-retirement.

The problem with the accusations of Obama being "dangerous" and "radical," Hume said on election night, "was that it just didn't fit with the man you saw before your eyes."

SOURCE

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Limbaugh has made numerous controversial remarks about women, including frequently referring to feminists as "feminazis." For example, on the November 30, 2006, edition of his radio show, Limbaugh proclaimed: My "cat's taught me more about women, than anything my whole life" because his pet cat "comes to me when she wants to be fed," and "she's smart enough to know she can't feed herself. She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (November 30, 2006)

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"Women still live longer than men because their lives are easier."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (March 1, 2005)

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On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time.
SOURCE

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Limbaugh responds to Steele: "Why do you claim that you are leading the Republican Party when you are obsessed with seeing to it that President Obama succeeds?"
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 07:50:58 AM »

Ol' Rush has said a lot of things in his career. Here are a few gems worth sharing:

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From the October 8, 1990 edition of Newsday an article reports that Rush admitted feeling guilty for once having told a difficult-to-understand black caller to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back."  (This incident occurred not on Rush Limbaugh's now-familiar talk and political commentary radio program, but at the beginning of his broadcast career back in the early 1970s when he was hosting a music show under the name "Jeff Christie" on either WIXZ or KQV in Pittsburgh.)  The same article also quotes Limbaugh as confirming that he did utter another line commonly mentioned in tandem with the "bone" quote: "Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
SOURCE

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Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
SOURCE

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There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods, which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.
[...]
What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use.
[...]
The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.
SOURCE: Rush Limbaugh TV show (10/5/95)

A three-year investigation into drug use by Rush Limbaugh ended abruptly when the conservative commentator was booked on a single charge of prescription fraud in a deal his attorney says spares him a trial.
SOURCE

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Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.
SOURCE: CBS SportsLine (27 January 2007)

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ON NFL QUARTERBACK DONOVAN MCNABB:  Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.
SOURCE:  The Rush Limbaugh Show (28 September 2003)

McNabb has led the Eagles to four consecutive NFC East division championships (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004), five NFC Championship Games (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008), and one Super Bowl (Super Bowl XXXIX, which the Eagles lost to the New England Patriots).

He is the Eagles' all-time leader in career wins, pass attempts, pass completions, passing yards, and passing touchdowns.
SOURCE

The media, the sports media, has got social concerns that they are first and foremost interested in, and they're dumping on this guy — Rex Grossman — for one reason, folks, and that's because he is a white quarterback ...They, they just want this guy not to do well 'cause he's a white quarterback ... But the guy's been targeted for destruction.
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (February 5, 2007)

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In an interview with U.S. News & World Report, conservative Christian leader Pat Robertson denounced talk show host Rush Limbaugh for saying he wants President Obama to fail.

"So you don't subscribe to Rush Limbaugh's "I hope he fails" school of thought?" asked interviewer Dan Gilgoff.

"That was a terrible thing to say," Robertson responded. "I mean, he's the president of all the country. If he succeeds, the country succeeds. And if he doesn't, it hurts us all. Anybody who would pull against our president is not exactly thinking rationally."
SOURCE:  U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT

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Hugo, Cesar — whatever. A Chavez is a Chavez. We've always had problems with them.
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (March 26, 2004)

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We're not sexists, we're chauvinists — we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want.
SOURCE:  The Rush Limbaugh Show (April 15, 2004)

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ON MICHAEL J. FOX:   He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act... This is really shameless of Michael J Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting.
SOURCE:  The Rush Limbaugh Show (October 23, 2006)

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FROM A TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW:  Q. I know you're not a hater, but don't you think you come across as mean when you call feminists ugly women who can't get dates?

A. No, it's not mean. I once wrote a newspaper column when I was in Sacramento, and I said feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.
SOURCE: TIME MAGAZINE (OCT. 26, 1992)

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On the occasion of Grateful Dead guitarist Jerry Garcia’s death:  "Just another dead doper. And a dirt bag."
SOURCE

Quote
RUSH ON TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB:

"The babes are meting out the torture. ... it looks just like anything you'd see Madonna, or Britney Spears do on stage. ... this is something that you can see on stage at Lincoln Center from an NEA grant, maybe on Sex in the City -- the movie."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show -- show transcript (May 3, 2004)

"I think the reaction to the stupid torture is an example of the feminization of this country."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (May 5, 2004)

"If you have the passwords to these various porn sites, you can see things like this ... [Maybe the soldiers] are simply acting out what they've on these websites or something, just for the fun of it."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (May 7, 2004)

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"The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen," Limbaugh told his radio audience of 15 million to 20 million on Thursday. "Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression."

Apparently the tanking of the real estate market, record losses in the auto industry, and massive failures in the banking and investment industry have very little to do with our problems. The economic system is collapsing, Rush wants us to know, because it anticipates the tax increases Obama has pledged on capital gains and for the highest income earners.

But maybe that shouldn't be so surprising, because radio's Biggest Big Man also assures us that the Democrat welcomes "economic chaos" because it gives him "greater opportunity for expanded government." In a time when the nation calls out for cool leadership and rational discussion, Limbaugh stirs the caldron, a tendency he proved in a particularly grotesque way last week when he accused Obama's party of plotting a government takeover of 401(k) retirement plans.

"They're going to take your 401(k), put it in the Social Security trust fund, whatever the hell that is," Limbaugh woofed. "Trust fund, my rear end."

A slight problem with Limbaugh's report: Obama and the Democrats have proposed no such thing.

[...]

To broadcast such a report -- so drained of context as to constitute a lie -- would be a shameless act at any time. But Limbaugh needlessly stirred the fears of the millions he holds in his thrall -- making the 401(k) thievery sound like nearly a done deal.

[...]

Perhaps Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of those intent on poisoning the soil before bipartisanship can take root might recall words of wisdom from Brit Hume, a veteran newsman who is close to leaving the Fox anchor desk for semi-retirement.

The problem with the accusations of Obama being "dangerous" and "radical," Hume said on election night, "was that it just didn't fit with the man you saw before your eyes."

SOURCE

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Limbaugh has made numerous controversial remarks about women, including frequently referring to feminists as "feminazis." For example, on the November 30, 2006, edition of his radio show, Limbaugh proclaimed: My "cat's taught me more about women, than anything my whole life" because his pet cat "comes to me when she wants to be fed," and "she's smart enough to know she can't feed herself. She's actually a very smart cat. She gets loved. She gets adoration. She gets petted. She gets fed. And she doesn't have to do anything for it."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (November 30, 2006)

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"Women still live longer than men because their lives are easier."
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show (March 1, 2005)

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On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time.
SOURCE

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Limbaugh responds to Steele: "Why do you claim that you are leading the Republican Party when you are obsessed with seeing to it that President Obama succeeds?"
SOURCE: The Rush Limbaugh Show

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Your comments above are a good example of why those institutions of higher learning that educated Barack and Michelle need to unlock/unseal and make public the papers and writings of these two in their earlier, formative years.   I've only read rumors about what they contained, and it wasn't rumors of brotherhood and sisterhood for all of humanity.   

Also, the utterances of those in the Obama family church deserve closer scrutiny as well.  This is the cacoon that nourished Barack and Michelle for years.

Might the historical writings and facts point to racism, classism, and bigotry?  Why keep the Obama family past a secret, like the birth certificate.  The Obamas had every opportunity to make these things public and show America what a great family they are.

Same with Acorn.

I would hope that in his advancing years, Rush is tempered.  How much of his speech in the past was for ratings?

What are the core values of the Obama family and their friends that helped shape the Obama blueprint for America?

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 09:40:41 PM »

WhiskeyGirl, thank you so much for responding to my post. I am happy to engage in respectful dialogue on any issue. If you haven't seen me mention it before, I am not a defender or activist on behalf of any particular political party. I am an independent. That means I do not substitute any political party's or other individual's talking points for my own intellect. I do my own thinking. I suppose if I am an activist of any sort at this stage in my life, I am an activist for telling the truth. I thought it just might be helpful to keep that in mind.

There is much to respond to in your post and I want to give an equal measure of respect to what seem to be your major points so I'm going to divide up my response into separate posts. That way, if you want to add to it with links and cites and sources and new information or any form of rebuttal, it can be easier to address those individual points.

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Your comments above...

Those were not my comments. They were Rush Limbaugh's comments. I sourced all of it, too, because when one is discussing subjects like politics and important events, it is courteous to provide your sources for the claims and statements of facts made on an internet messageboard or forum.

I was just a little bit puzzled as to why you did not source your own statements of facts or claims made in your post. And for some of your remarks, you provided no context at all such as the sentence, "Same with Acorn." You don't even make any sort of claim or statement of fact regarding Acorn which leaves me to only guess at what you might be referring to. Still, I will try to do my very best to respond.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 09:43:26 PM »

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those institutions of higher learning that educated Barack and Michelle need to unlock/unseal and make public the papers and writings of these two in their earlier, formative years.   I've only read rumors about what they contained, and it wasn't rumors of brotherhood and sisterhood for all of humanity.

In trying to sort out the specifics and logic that might be found in this statement, I am puzzled as to how "institutions of higher learning" (which I have to assume you intend to mean as universities) would have any access whatsoever to anyone's papers and writings from their "earlier, formative years." Why would a university be in possession of someone's childhood writings unless those writings were made as a bequest to said university?

Is this what you are claiming? That Michelle and Barack Obama donated their writings from their "formative years" to the libraries of various institutions of higher learning? And now those same institutions of higher learning are hiding those writings from the public?

You state, "I've only read rumors..."  I thank you for your honesty. I think that about sizes it all up right there, too. Why would anyone use mere rumor as a basic building block of their own thought processes? Rumor is rumor. Fact is fact. They are not the same. I prefer truth and reality and fact. And if posted on an internet forum, I appreciate it greatly when assertions of fact are backed up with proper citation and links.

But, getting back to the writings of President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, it is possible and even probable that all your aggregated rumors stem from one paper written by First Lady Michelle Obama while a student at Princeton University. I don't believe President Obama's best-selling books could be considered "secret writings."

The former Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, who graduated from Princeton University in 1985 with a B.A. in sociology (and later earned a J.D. from Harvard Law School in 1988), wrote her senior undergraduate thesis on the subject of "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."

Her paper was a critical analysis of how Princeton-Educated Blacks did or did not use their higher education to help black communities. If Michelle Obama criticized any group of people in this thesis, it certainly wasn't Princeton-educated Whites or Princeton-educated Mexicans or Princeton-educated Asians. She did a careful study and analysis of Princeton-educated Blacks and their perceived lack of involvement in black communities where their education may have been a contributing factor for good -- if they'd chosen to return to those communities to help out.

There was nothing in her thesis to strike fear into the hearts of even the most radical of right-wing extremists who, quite possibly, may have agreed with her conclusions. 

And, because there was no dirt there, no ammunition to be found to be used against President Obama's political campaign, the extremists had to invent some. You know... rumors.

At first, the extremists began a spurious email smear campaign when Princeton's Digital Library staff demurred on opening up their files for right-wing extremist inspection. Library personnel wanted to be certain they were not violating any privacy laws and/or policies regarding the public release of student papers and so the email smears would state as fact that this was proof of an Obama campaign conspiracy.

The issue became moot (dead in the water) when the Obama campaign published Michelle's thesis on its own website. The extremists were furious that the Obama campaign had taken the wind out of that particular sail.

Ergo, no "secret writings." No conspiracy here. Read the thesis for yourself.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2009, 09:47:06 PM »

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Also, the utterances of those in the Obama family church deserve closer scrutiny as well.  This is the cacoon that nourished Barack and Michelle for years.

I do believe you are referring to Jeremiah Wright and obviously, the American people by a landslide did not find this a reason to keep President Obama out of the Oval Office.

Some background information might be helpful. There are two main churches in the city of Chicago that are "megachurches" also involved in the black community and with issues of great concern to the black community. If your current passion is community organizing and improving peoples' lives and you are black and you want to return to the black community to make a positive difference you will, by necessity, be dealing with these two churches.

If you live in the Chicago area and you are a devout Christian who wishes to attend a Christian church and one that relates to you as a black person, you have these two main churches to pick from if you want to be involved in Christian fellowship with the largest community of fellow Christians possible.

One minister does not equal an entire congregation. The committees and brotherhoods and sisterhoods and study groups are populated by members of the congregation... your fellow Christians, if you too are a member of this church. You all work in concert. Each member of the congregation is a living breathing human being who loves G-d and has made the conscious choice to accept Jesus as their personal Saviour.

Anyway, perhaps President Obama's own public declaration about Rev. Wright ought to be taken into account. Just a bit. Ya think?

He stated the following: The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context...

READ THE REST OF HIS STATEMENT HERE
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 09:49:09 PM »

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Why keep the Obama family past a secret, like the birth certificate.  The Obamas had every opportunity to make these things public and show America what a great family they are.

President Obama DID allow to be published the copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate that was sent to him from the Hawaiian government records office that keeps such things. President Obama's birth certificate was likely published on thousands of websites. So... where's the secrecy in that?  It truly helps in any dialogue or debate to just stick to the truth. Extremists of any political stripe who persist in smears and lies and nasty email rumors do not have the best interests of our country at heart.

It is true that the mailed copies of birth certificates sent out by this Hawaiian government records office do not exactly duplicate the original. To clear up any confusion whatsoever, researchers did travel to Hawaii and did get to see and touch the actual birth certificate of President Obama.

Here are some of their findings:

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Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false.

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 (2008) that Obama was born in Honolulu.

The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the  registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).

Here are some of their photos:









The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.



In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.


Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

You can read more here.

As well as all of the above, there is the undeniable existence of President Obama's bestselling books as well as many, many other books written about President Obama's life, early and otherwise, as well as the numerous TV specials and news programs detailing every minute aspect of President Obama's life as well as the countless thousands of webpages on the subject of President Obama's life, early and otherwise so... what "secret life" would you be referring to? And please, please, pretty please do include links to your sources when possible or just name your sources if no link is possible. If you make an allegation of a "secret life," you need to explain the foundation of that assertion and to maintain the credibility of the assertion, offer proof/sources. Thanks.
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Same with Acorn.
Here, you offer a standalone sentence with absolutely no context whatsoever. If I am to guess at your meaning because guessing is all you leave me to do here, I would guess "Acorn" is some sort of generic buzzword in which members of a particular club or group or political party can infer some sort of meaning known to them.

Your sentence fragment above makes no declarative statement of any kind, good, bad, indifferent... so it is difficult to find a starting point for any discussion. However, I will attempt to respond because I think you deserve to have some kind of response.

If you are referring to the political action group ACORN that registers voters, I found an article that will certainly be of interest to you. It is titled, "Sorting out the truth on Obama, ACORN." Here are some excerpts:
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With Election Day less than a month away, John McCain's campaign and the Republican National Committee have been warning voters of Barack Obama and his ties to the community organizing group ACORN.

ACORN was founded in 1970; its acronym stands for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN's agenda includes left-leaning causes such as voter registration drives for low-income groups, initiatives to increase the minimum wage and programs offering help to victims of predatory lending.

By all indications, ACORN operates within the American political mainstream, though clearly it favors the left side of the ideological spectrum. Its voter registration efforts tend to focus on the low-income, minorities and youth, all traditional Democratic constituencies. Obama received an endorsement from the group's political action committee in February 2008 when the Democratic primary was in full swing. But that's not to say Republicans never support ACORN's efforts: McCain himself appeared at a 2006 rally in favor of immigration reform, sponsored in part by ACORN.

The primary allegation against ACORN is that its voter registration drives result in many phony registrations. ACORN itself admits that some of its workers, in their attempts to meet registration goals, have turned in registration forms for people who do not exist or don't live in the geographic area. (Notorious examples include Mickey Mouse and the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.) ACORN says the problems are isolated, and that it works with officials to correct them. They claim to have registered 1.3-million people to vote, so a small number of irregularities are to be expected.

Several states are investigating the group's voter registration efforts. McCain brought up ACORN at the candidates' final debate on Oct. 15, 2008, saying that ACORN was "on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy." The next day, press reports cited anonymous sources saying the Federal Bureau of Investigation was looking into the group, but ACORN said it had had no contact with federal investigators.

On Oct. 17, the Obama campaign blasted the leakers, saying it was evidence that law enforcement was in an "unholy alliance" with partisan political operatives to undermine public confidence in the voting process. The campaign released a letter it sent to Attorney General Michael Mukasey asking for an investigation. "Republican Party officials and operatives nationwide, including the candidates themselves, are formenting specious voter fraud allegations, and there are disturbing indications of official involvement or collusion," wrote Robert Bauer, general counsel to the Obama campaign.

It's unknown what the results of the ongoing investigations will be, but past investigations might give us some indication. In 2007 in King County, Wash., prosecutors filed charges against seven ACORN workers and reached a civil agreement with ACORN that the organization would monitor its workers more carefully.

"A joint federal and state investigation has determined that this scheme was not intended to permit illegal voting," said King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg at the time. "Instead, the defendants cheated their employer, ACORN, to get paid for work they did not actually perform. ACORN's lax oversight of their own voter registration drive permitted this to happen."

The McCain campaign issued numerous charges about Obama's connection to ACORN in an Oct. 10, 2008, memo, which the Obama campaign has disputed. We selected the following allegations to examine in depth.

• In 1992, Obama directed Project Vote, "an arm of ACORN that also encouraged voter registration," according to the McCain campaign. Obama did direct Project Vote, but it is a separate organization from ACORN. This year, Project Vote and ACORN worked together on a nationwide voter registration drive, and they have worked together on other initiatives in the past. But they are separate organizations. We didn't find any evidence to indicate they had a relationship during the 1992 Illinois drive. And even if they did, Obama clearly directed the drive for the Project Vote organization. We couldn't find any allegations of impropriety related to the 1992 drive. We rate this statement False.

• The McCain campaign says Obama was "a trial attorney for ACORN." Obama represented ACORN in a voter registration case, but he was not a staff attorney. Obama worked for the civil rights firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland. He represented ACORN along with other plaintiffs in a case against the governor of Illinois, demanding that the state better enforce a new federal law known as "motor voter," which allowed people to register to vote when they got their driver's license. We rated this statement Half True.

During the third presidential debate, McCain made the additional charge that the Obama campaign directed campaign money to ACORN, calling the group "the same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for 'lighting and site selection.'"

Here's what we know about that allegation: The Obama campaign paid a group called Citizens' Services $832,386 during the primaries. (For comparison, the Obama campaign has spent an overall $391-million through August 2008.) Some of the expenditures are listed as sound, stage and lighting, and others are listed as get-out-the-vote efforts. ACORN has said Citizens Services subcontracted out part of the get-out-the-vote work to ACORN, but ACORN officials say it was "a small amount." The Obama campaign said it paid Citizens' Services, who in turn paid $80,000 to ACORN. The two groups share offices in New Orleans.

We can confirm through campaign finance public records that Obama paid Citizens' Services, but we can't independently confirm what part of the contract ACORN actually received, so we are not ruling on that statement. We're including the facts of the matter here for our readers to consider for themselves.


Since I don't really understand the significance of your sentence fragment, I can only hope this information was helpful to you in forming fact-based discussion.
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What are the core values of the Obama family and their friends that helped shape the Obama blueprint for America?
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This is a most excellent question to ask of any political candidate and even though President Obama is no longer campaigning but is indeed our President, I think in these uncertain economic times it is still quite relevant to discuss what values shape the people who are in charge of our country.

Since you asked about the President's core values, I tried to find some good resources for you in that regard.

See the above referenced article on President Obama's revulsion for the ugly remarks of Rev. Wright.

Read the President's books which are available on Amazon.com

Read the President's defense of true American values here regarding the use of torture and keeping the use of torture secret from the American people.

More on the President's core values here, starting with:
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Barack Obama was raised by a single mother and his grandparents. They didn't have much money, but they taught him values from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. He took out loans to put himself through school. After college, he worked for Christian churches in Chicago, helping communities devastated when steel plants closedObama turned down lucrative job offers after law school to return to Chicago, leading a successful voter registration drive. He joined a small law firm, taught constitutional law and, guided by his Christian faith, stayed active in his community. Obama and his wife Michelle are proud parents of two daughters, Sasha and Malia.
Please DO read more about our President's core values. I absolutely agree with you that is an important thing to educate oneself about in these times.

From an article about President Obama's Inaugural Address:
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Lastly, Obama called on all Americans to remember core values: “honesty, hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism.” With these values intact, Americans must live up to new responsibilities. With these values intact, Americans must rise to the occasion and look toward the future as they begin to meet the challenges head-on, all the while demonstrating strength of character, courage of convictions, and an enduring sense of compassion.

Now, I took great care to research and cite sources for you and to offer the most intelligent response(s) I could so if you can, would you please explain how any of the above information about our President, as fascinating as it is, is relevant to the topic of Rush Limbaugh and his remarks?
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What are the core values of the Obama family and their friends that helped shape the Obama blueprint for America?
jmho
This is a most excellent question to ask of any political candidate and even though President Obama is no longer campaigning but is indeed our President, I think in these uncertain economic times it is still quite relevant to discuss what values shape the people who are in charge of our country.

Since you asked about the President's core values, I tried to find some good resources for you in that regard.

See the above referenced article on President Obama's revulsion for the ugly remarks of Rev. Wright.

Read the President's books which are available on Amazon.com

Read the President's defense of true American values here regarding the use of torture and keeping the use of torture secret from the American people.

More on the President's core values here, starting with:
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Barack Obama was raised by a single mother and his grandparents. They didn't have much money, but they taught him values from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. He took out loans to put himself through school. After college, he worked for Christian churches in Chicago, helping communities devastated when steel plants closedObama turned down lucrative job offers after law school to return to Chicago, leading a successful voter registration drive. He joined a small law firm, taught constitutional law and, guided by his Christian faith, stayed active in his community. Obama and his wife Michelle are proud parents of two daughters, Sasha and Malia.
Please DO read more about our President's core values. I absolutely agree with you that is an important thing to educate oneself about in these times.

From an article about President Obama's Inaugural Address:
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Lastly, Obama called on all Americans to remember core values: “honesty, hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism.” With these values intact, Americans must live up to new responsibilities. With these values intact, Americans must rise to the occasion and look toward the future as they begin to meet the challenges head-on, all the while demonstrating strength of character, courage of convictions, and an enduring sense of compassion.

Now, I took great care to research and cite sources for you and to offer the most intelligent response(s) I could so if you can, would you please explain how any of the above information about our President, as fascinating as it is, is relevant to the topic of Rush Limbaugh and his remarks?


jmho at the bottom of the post, blogger/text shorthand = 'just my humble opinions'

I think the presidents speeches are due to his speechwriters.  The proof is in the pudding. 

If someone is going into Rush's past to point out his past verbal utterances, what of the Obama's past writings and utterances?  Don't they shed light on the Obama's core values?  Yet, the Obama core values, for some reason are shielded from public inspection.

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Why keep the Obama family past a secret, like the birth certificate.  The Obamas had every opportunity to make these things public and show America what a great family they are.

President Obama DID allow to be published the copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate that was sent to him from the Hawaiian government records office that keeps such things. President Obama's birth certificate was likely published on thousands of websites. So... where's the secrecy in that?  It truly helps in any dialogue or debate to just stick to the truth. Extremists of any political stripe who persist in smears and lies and nasty email rumors do not have the best interests of our country at heart.

It is true that the mailed copies of birth certificates sent out by this Hawaiian government records office do not exactly duplicate the original. To clear up any confusion whatsoever, researchers did travel to Hawaii and did get to see and touch the actual birth certificate of President Obama.

Here are some of their findings:

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Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false.

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 (2008) that Obama was born in Honolulu.

The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the  registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).

Here are some of their photos:









The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.



In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.


Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

You can read more here.

As well as all of the above, there is the undeniable existence of President Obama's bestselling books as well as many, many other books written about President Obama's life, early and otherwise, as well as the numerous TV specials and news programs detailing every minute aspect of President Obama's life as well as the countless thousands of webpages on the subject of President Obama's life, early and otherwise so... what "secret life" would you be referring to? And please, please, pretty please do include links to your sources when possible or just name your sources if no link is possible. If you make an allegation of a "secret life," you need to explain the foundation of that assertion and to maintain the credibility of the assertion, offer proof/sources. Thanks.

Is the new administration going to implement a "no questions" rule as part of all this change?

What is the source for stating that Obama was born in Honolulu?

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For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.


I'll bet Obama could ask for the release the certificated birth certificate. 

From my reading, a 'certification of live birth' is not always proof of citizenship.  In Hawaii, it was possible to record any number of birth circumstances, for any number of reasons.  The original was made long before modern data storage.  Could someone have made a keying error?  It would be a simple thing for Obama to allow the State of Hawaii to release his long form.  Put that long form birth file in the light of day.  What possible reason is there for him to keep this a secret from the American public?  Why not show people like me, how foolish we really are?

The most important source, is the long form birth file from Hawaii.  No mistaking what's on those ancient papers.  Just my humble opinions.

People write books for public consumption.  What did Obama write a long time ago, before he ran for public office?  Before he became a public figure?  Same with Michelle?  What did they read in those papers sealed by institutions of higher learning?

What has Obama said about his values?

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Speaking of the Warren Court its interpretation of the Constitution during the Civil Rights movement, Obama said, "It wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution. At least as it's been interpreted and more important interpreted in the same way that, generally, the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties; says what the states can't do to you, what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the state government or federal government must do on your behalf."

Actually, it does. The federal government must provide for the common defense, a military to provide and ensure National Security. The "essential constraints" placed into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers was to ensure a limited government, not a pervasive and massive federal government providing all things to all people.

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Obama laments in the interview that the Warren Supreme Court failed to reinterpret the Constitution to read into it what was not there: Redistribution of wealth for "political and economic justice in this society."

Barack Obama continues, and notes that one of the "great tragedies of the civil rights movement" was that it was court-centric and got away from "political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change."

For Obama, the redistribution of wealth is a civil right that the civil rights movement failed to attain. To Barack Obama, the redistribution of wealth is basic "political and economic justice," and one segment of society has the basic right to the money of other segments of society. He's very straight forward about this.

more at this site -
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/27/will-msm-continue-ignoring-shocking-obama-redistribution-wealth-audio 

From my reading and history lessons, very few living Americans were slaves.  At the time of slavery, the majority of slaves were owned by less than 5% of the population, and the population of slaves was concentrated in the South. 

During the Black History Month, there were many good programs and they showed many historical documents, including reprints of advertisements for slave sales.  Slaves could be had for the low price of $1,250.  As a comparison, news stories of children and women being sold into sexual slavery today, this is either high or low, depending on the location and economy.  Life is still cheap.  This is more than many mortgages today, and not adjusted for inflation.  How many Americans could afford to buy, own, or care for slaves?  For the wealthy, it was easier to own slaves than to pay others to work for them. 

Just my humble opinions and research.

From my education, history classes, and other readings, I know that 'freedom' was the exception for most of human history, slavery was the norm.  Even free people could be sold into bondage for debt in an unjust society.  Today, our government is selling us, our children, our grandchildren, and so on down the line.

At what point in the U.S. will there be any people free of government intervention in their lives?  Government provides food, shelter, and jobs for an increasing number of people, either directly or indirectly, they will control every aspect of our lives - just like old time and modern slave masters.  The tsunami of debt keeps rising and the ability to pay keeps decreasing.  I haven't seen any value or utterance from Obama on how this debt will be paid back. 

Quality of life, redistribution of wealth, can't be measured by giving people a few trinkets in place of their wealth.  Wealth that includes freedom, property, jobs, food, economic stability.  The bailouts today, the Obama promises, are like the trinkets given American Indians long ago for a really big piece of land in New York.  From my reading there was no meeting of the minds, no common ground from which to trade fairly.  just my humble opinions 

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The thread digresses from Rush.  What has ACORN done for all those folks that were tricked into mortgages they could not afford? 

Here is a blog by a ACORN whistleblower, Anita MonCrief - http://anitamoncrief.blogspot.com/

The Home Equity Theft Reporter
http://homeequitytheft.blogspot.com/2009/02/more-on-world-savings-whistleblower.html

Why were all these banks motivated to make made loans?  Community activists?  Loose money from the Federal Reserve?  Anyone in Congress motivated to fix the problems?  Acorn?  Obama?  Emanual?  Frank?  Pelosi?  Dodd?  McCain?

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Trouble is, some of their money came from people like Betty Townes, who is financially ruined after being sold a series of World Savings mortgages she couldn't afford.

Asked how many times she refinanced, Townes said, "Well we refinanced practically every year."

World salesmen convinced Betty to refinance her mortgage four times in four years. She got about $20,000 each time. "Well, all I know that they told me this loan was best for me," she told Pelley.

But how could it be best when Betty's pension couldn't qualify her for the loans?

"They told me that they would go by my husband's payroll," she said.

"Even though he'd been laid off from the shipyard?" Pelley asked.

"No, he'd passed away," Townes replied.
 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/13/60minutes/main4801309.shtml

I try to read all the balogna, not just the meat from the Obama campaign, I try to include the extremists too.  Draw my own conclusions - and what I find is horrifying.   

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Thank you, oldie for exposing Rush Limbaugh for what he is through his own hate-filled words......a bigot, a drug addict, and a man who has nothing but disrespect for women.  He defines the word hypocrite, and he is a despicable hate-monger. I find it very distressing that he still has an audience.
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Hi pdh3, its so very good to see you!!

And, I couldn't agree more with all you and Oldie said.
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Thank you, Oldie for speaking the truth.
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Thank you, Oldie for speaking the truth.

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