Caylee Marie Anthony #113 3/04/09 - 3/06/09

[Blink34]

Another thing which seemed to tip the scales in my mind to Lee being AS or ASD was the picture he had drawn which was outside his house. It is way below his age level and very juvenile. That also would explain why he would play online kid's games for hours at a time.

Dont leave out the white knee-hi tube socks-

jes sayin'

[trimmonthelake]

WESH at 5 reports that Baez wants to depose Richard Cain (the deputy that blew off Kronk).

Legal experts say that Baez should not use the "newly" released videos.  Because Baez can't win a Casey character debate cuz the prosecution can bring in the tapes of Casey writing checks and partying while Caylee was missing.

At 6 Baez's reaction to the videos.

Thanks Mags.

[Tater]

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I just have to ask.This motel/hotel story..Has anyone other than LP stated this?
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Not to my knowledge.  Maybe it's a piece of info that LE is holding back.
LP spent a lot of time with the FBI agent on this case (can't recall his name at the moment).
Sometimes LE release little bits of info to get out into the public by using others as a liaison


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Possibly...Now about the guy that said he went to sleep with Casey and Caylee only to wake up and find Caylee gone.That one has always seemed like a lie to me..Any explanation or plausible theory Puzzler?I know we thought she was trunking her then but now it just seem's too weird...

[leslee]

PDF for Casey's sleep pattern.I can't read it.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0306/18872007.pdf

Goodness, neither can I ... 

Right click over the page and there is a zoom choice.

It looks as if these are inactivity totals not sleep totals. But it sure looks like the inactivity increased after the 16th! Does any monkey remember this: The first call she made on 6/16 was to the Anthonys home or else the first call she recieved was from the Anthony home....lasted less than a minute... any Monkey brains remember that?

Phone call from the Anthony home Monday June 16th @ 7:45am to KC's cellphone


This tells me Cindy called KC before leaving for work.....Cindy said KC and Caylee were home in bed when she left.  Why would Cindy call KC's cell if she was home in bed???

IMO KC was not home in bed that Monday morning.....the beginning of Cindy's lies.

In that early interview with Greta, didn't Cindy tell Greta that " their [ Casey/Caylee were sleeping together ] bedroom door was closed  " when she left for work that morning and to her that meant that they were still asleep ? 

Yes...and that she heard noises in there too

[Puzzler]

Thanks Trimm, but I am not finding want I want there. Specifically I want to watch Cindy under oath at the very FIRST hearing. If I am remembering right, I have just seen clips but never the whole thing. Does anyone remember. Has it not been released in whole?  Again TIA

I found this clip.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?clipId=2720766&clipFormat=flv&topVideoCatNo=90872

Thanks for the clip.  Is it my imagination or did Cindy look to be getting angry at the end?

I think Cindy will be a ticking timebomb on the stand during the trial.  Unless something drastic comes to light before that (like knowledge that KC's going after the parents), Cindy will say whatever on the stand IMO.  If so, I sure hope the prosecution can convince the judge to declare Cindy a hostile witness.  I the prosecution can really go after Cindy in questioning, I'm thinking that Cindy will blow up.  No telling what could come out of her mouth.

Now, if something does come to light before the trial that leads Cindy to believe that KC is going after her, therefore jeopardizing Cindy's freedom, Cindy could unload on KC things what we've never dreamed of before.  Either way, no telling what could come out of Cindy's mouth.

[Sea Searcher]

Thanks Trimm, but I am not finding want I want there. Specifically I want to watch Cindy under oath at the very FIRST hearing. If I am remembering right, I have just seen clips but never the whole thing. Does anyone remember. Has it not been released in whole?  Again TIA

I found this clip.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?clipId=2720766&clipFormat=flv&topVideoCatNo=90872

"There's no evidence that KC has committed a crime"  I think is very telling...and the way she says it, I find very disturbing...

What are we looking for in this vid Trimm ???

[Ono]

lol.....i am still watching the videos of LA's depo.....the boy answered a question by saying "oh, that's just poppycock"  who the hell says that.  they not only speak in code, they speak a whole different language than the rest of us...

Especially someone that age, it struck me so odd. 

Some here have said they think LA is a highly functioning autistic.
Remember that extreme illness he had when he was like 10? I think maybe Leebaby is dain bramaged, and yes, I meant to spell it like that!

Oh..I didn't know about this extreme illness Lee had at 10.  Do tell more about this fi you can, please.

Sorry, I either read it here or at WS...it was used to explain Lee and Crzy's unusually close relationship. I think it's in a Cindy related thingy...

I live in the South...I've heard the word poppycock used before...it's an old-fashioned word meaning:  babble, baloney, bull, drivel, foolishness, hot air, silliness, trash

Yes !  I'm Southern as well --  Poppycock is a fun word of the English language and can also mean nonsense or bosh [ another fun word to use instead of bull manure - LOL ];  We could easily say that things that Lee says is poppycock !   

Maybe a talking turd head that speaks poppycock. 

 

[A_News_Junkie_Monkey]

------------------> SNIP to point out what trigged my "current" thought!
 KC maintained early on "It's been 31 days since I've seen my daughter" so she knew the number of days. She was probably counting them like that cause she thought she was getting away with murder!
---------------> rest of SNIP

Okay, if this has been discussed, please ignore me-- as I often think I have an epiphany to only realize I am not having an original thought! LOL 
What date did casey first use the TIMER55 password?
If it was prior to the June 15-16 date - It could go a long way toward premeditation.  She was well aware it had been 31 days.  If she changed the password prior to the death, then the whole nanny timer55 would sink her.
See what I mean?  Do we have a forensic computer report telling us the date of this password?

[Cappuccino]

Happy Friday Everyone

Ugh, having a bad spine day but I just caught up on quite a day of deliberation going on.   Scarrlett & Blink you are both most welcome!  I'm afraid you guys are in for another long one by me ::giggles:: but I'm touching on quite a few pages of thoughts from all of you - if you take the time to read my mini novel tks but for those that choose to skip over it due to length that's fine too, no offense taken.

I agree Todd Mac is an impressive plaintiff attorney but his "guns ablazing" entrance into this case by his comments has me contemplating a few things, pro/con or indifferent.   Do I think he can bring a clever defense well beyond Baez's infantile knowledge of how to try a case, yes.   Do I think that he will prevail in getting this reduced to manslaughter or an acquittal, no.  Why because at some point Casey has to admit what happened if they are going to claim it was an accident or a provoked reaction to something she experienced as Caylee's death occurred.  If he prevails he has to attribute Caylee's death to occurring due to the volatile fight Casey & Cindy had the evening of 6/15 - an event so threatening and traumatizing that it would be considered extreme BUT then comes in Casey's statement she made to Lee when asked why she didnt report Caylee missing to family much less LE "maybe Im just a spiteful B."   Would that be considered a "heat of passion" crime that Casey killed Caylee right in their home to hurt her mother OR a deliberate, premeditated act based on spite & hate?   Let's not forget premeditation can be determined in minutes much less hours or longer.

Is there a cover up, you better believe it.  But as soon as Casey and her defense starts blaming her parents be it both or just her mother, she loses their support and continued agreement to cover up Caylee's murder.   The cover up was obvious as soon as the Anthonys chose to bring Casey's deathmobile home instead of calling 911.   Cindy's message to Casey which was close to "call me...huge problem" is disturbing to say the least.   Casey's myspace poem "everyone lies, everyone dies" as well as Cindy's 7/3 myspace blog seem to indicate they were not only in dispute but that something horrid occurred.  When the date 6/9 was put out to police, let's not forget Cindy admitted that after she picked Casey up from Tony's (witnessed by Amy) she drove around for awhile before going home with Casey...the 911 calls have always seemed convoluted to me by their time lapses & certain statements made.   After Cindy got home with Casey, they admit Lee went off to talk to his sister alone - what Im saying is there was ample time to talk to Casey before OCSO arrived to their house.   Did it not peek our attention as soon as Cindy said that she wanted her daughter arrested for stealing & auto theft versus from the first call stating "my granddaughter is missing!"   Doesn't the average mind assume that the first thing Cindy would establish is that if Casey couldn't or refused to produce Caylee that night with no more excuses that something just wasnt right, of course.   Since then they all have made very conflicting statements on several issues but all of them are guilty of being void of the truth.

Now, the dates of 6/8-6/10 were thrown around by the entire Anthony family as the date Caylee was last seen...it is not an accident this is the night that Casey & Caylee stayed at Ricardo's but in the morning Ricardo woke up to Caylee not being there-Casey told Ricardo her mother called and wanted Caylee home yet Casey returned to Ricardo's...things that make you go hmmm.  Now, Cindy says she never called Casey.  It is my contention that they all discussed a night that they could come up with that Caylee was not at home & not with her mother - this gets all unclear when they begin to try too hard to come up with excuses so in comes  "Zanny the nanny" by the third 911 call, an excuse Casey has used in the past to cover her indiscretions - talk about building up a crescendo!   During Casey's voluntary "Tour de lie" with detectives & in their written statements they continue to use those dates when Caylee was last seen.  Unexpectedly to the Anthonys, this time frame gets blown out of the water when detectives discover the videotape & camera with proof that Caylee was visiting her great grandfather with Cindy, Cindy gets markedly upset with detectives the night before the bond hearing & even more so the next day in court over this getting exposed.   Cindy uses the excuse that her father is frail so she didnt want him involved with this - no that is not it, she knew their story was unraveling.  But that doesnt stop Cindy in late July/early August from trying to convince detectives that "Zanny" actually may actually be someone but not a "nanny."    She accuses Jesse, Amy or Ricardo as possibly being "Zanny" to the extent that she even tries to go back and tie Ricardo's apartment as being Zanny's apt.   She fails at this attempt by Casey during a jail visit that it is not the same apartment but looks similar.   Cindy from that point on goes on a campaign to dam the OCSO & FBI to all condemnation & a slew of individuals that didn't drink their koolaid from the start.

Let's look at something else:   Casey has stolen money & used her mother's credit cards to the tune of tens of thousands.   Cindy was still attempting to pay it all back in addition to George's idiotic scam fiasco.    It is now known that Casey actually stole the money from her grandfather's account in APRIL but after Cindy's mother, Shirley, tells Cindy she is considering pressing charges against Casey on 6/15 Cindy not only begs her mother not to but goes home and has a huge fight with Casey.  Apparently neither cared that Caylee was present to hear this heated confrontation - it wouldnt have been a first but to our sadness it was the last.   The reason I'm bringing this up is because of Casey's computer searches dating back to MARCH.   Todd may construct an "accident scenario" for Casey's defense since Bozo is such a moron BUT how will he hurdle Casey's computer searches on how to make chloroform, neck breaking & household weapons to show premeditation?   How does he overcome her parents turning on her when they found out they are going to pin Caylee's death on them?   How does Casey's defense explain even if it was an accident that their client didnt report it or exhibited any signs of grief/depression for her dead child as opposed to just turning the page to party, screw around & enjoy her unburdened life?   As the tattoo reads, BELLA VITA - beautiful life...really?

For now one last thing, Todd is all up in this case right now but he's literally already stepped on Baez's ego.   Just like the dispute with Lenamon over the DP submission, don't you think Baez's narcissistic personality is going to being pretty ticked off if Todd begins to get the credit for the defense's brilliance....count on it.    Right now "Macawhatevathenickname" is causing much anxiety with many BUT I cannot help but also look to how calm the prosecution seems to be in these motion hearings, they seem confident & never rattled...this indicates to me that they must have at least something if not a few things that the defense or the public is not aware of yet.   The SA taking the DP off the table doesnt show a sign of weakness in their case to me but rather a smart strategic move to guarantee a conviction - bottom line there are many reasons against pushing the DP in the case but the one that stands out to me most besides cost, youth, prior criminal record is her family begging for her life during the penalty phase.   

I'll be back in a bit.

Excellent analysis.  Thanks.  I especially am intrigued with the last full paragraph.

If only the A's would come to the realization that Casey was most likely planning to kill them.

What would be your thoughts on how they would react to KC if the A's were to come to an understanding that KC was planning to kill them?

Puzzler, you bring up another interesting point.   As soon as I read that Casey was telling Amy that her mother was going to sign over her house to her, even to the point that Amy believed it and had a package delivered to the Anthony home - I thought it was very possible that Casey was contemplating killing her parents & ruminated about this many other times over the years - I think it could have been part of her computer searches dating back to March.    The Anthonys at least know about Casey's conversations with Amy because Cindy discussed the package being delivered & told Amy that Casey lied...the connection that it may have been a plot to kill her, I'm not sure.   As is they are begging for full immunity, with much cause to worry - they have gone thru great lengths to avoid prosecution themselves, if this was fact you can bet they would testify against her.  Cindy is fighting too hard to take possession of Caylee's name & control any monies received due to her murder, she's not going to jail for anyone willingly & she will be forced to try to save what is left of her family.

[akmom]

PDF for Casey's sleep pattern.I can't read it.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0306/18872007.pdf

Goodness, neither can I ... 

Right click over the page and there is a zoom choice.

It looks as if these are inactivity totals not sleep totals. But it sure looks like the inactivity increased after the 16th! Does any monkey remember this: The first call she made on 6/16 was to the Anthonys home or else the first call she recieved was from the Anthony home....lasted less than a minute... any Monkey brains remember that?

Phone call from the Anthony home Monday June 16th @ 7:45am to KC's cellphone


This tells me Cindy called KC before leaving for work.....Cindy said KC and Caylee were home in bed when she left.  Why would Cindy call KC's cell if she was home in bed???

IMO KC was not home in bed that Monday morning.....the beginning of Cindy's lies.

Ty...SeeMe.... I have tried to wrap my head around that. I always thought she left home the night of the 15th also. Her cell pings locate her calls were made/recieved between 2 different towers the night of the 15th, each app. 2 miles from the Ant house, so it is possible she was not in residence. Also the call lasts less than a minute and it is possible she used her home phone to call her cell to locate where she left it. I wish we had conclusive proof she was NOT at home that night. I also notice she has more sleep time after the 15th, no kid to wake you up will do that for you!

This point has intrigued me, too.  Didn't LP say that KC was caught on camera at a hotel/motel close to the A's home on the night of the 15th/early morning the 16th?  I believe he did.  If so, that would explain where she was.  AND it's why I've thought that Caylee was really killed in the home...KC escaped to try to figure out what to do...probably, just scooped up Caylee, blanket and all, and put her in the car at that point and escaped...

I just have to ask.This motel/hotel story..Has anyone other than LP stated this?

I regret that I cannot provide a link or any verification.  The day the body was found, I was out of town, but had my mini lap top with me.  Within a few minutes of finding out, I found a news site that was telling the story that she had been seen at a hotel alone, in the parking lot.  I believe it said that there was video.  At some point after that LP did briefly state the same thing.  I have told this story before, and I really wish I had saved the page or something to prove it, but I did not.

[Sea Searcher]

  We miss Bearly too.

  She didn't say anything....she just ran away

That's it....make room for one more under the bridge....

[Blink34]

I'm sorry...........couldn't help it!

JR- thats just wrong

B

[KarmaRoundUp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeB0av37ZMs

I watched this little video of Casey playing with Caylee. All looks fine but watch the last few seconds. I'm probably just overanalyzing but I think Casey gets irritated with Caylee at the end as she puts her down. It just gave me a cold feeling.

I took a screen cap too, but it's just too eery considering what we know. Don't think we should post it.

I see what you mean, Casey seemed to be enjoying the interaction, and then all of a sudden, and I couldn't tell what happened, but whatever happened it pizzed Casey off big time, and she turned ugly mean. 

yep, that's exactly what I saw. Well, here's the screen cap. I think I'll leave it up for a bit and then remove it. Warning: It turns my stomach and probably will turn yours too.

not only that, it looked like she just dropped her at the end!!!

Looked like Casey was trying to hug Caylee and Caylee pushed Casey away.....seemed to make Casey mad.

[Puzzler]

I just have to ask.This motel/hotel story..Has anyone other than LP stated this?
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Not to my knowledge.  Maybe it's a piece of info that LE is holding back.
LP spent a lot of time with the FBI agent on this case (can't recall his name at the moment).
Sometimes LE release little bits of info to get out into the public by using others as a liaison


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Possibly...Now about the guy that said he went to sleep with Casey and Caylee only to wake up and find Caylee gone.That one has always seemed like a lie to me..Any explanation or plausible theory Puzzler?I know we thought she was trunking her then but now it just seem's too weird...
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Yes, I have thought about it, too.  I'm thinking that Casey got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee home so that Caylee would be there when Cindy woke up.  We hear that KC had changed drastically only recently with the "new" friends she met.  I'm thinking that was with the Tony Lazzaro timing....right after the time we're talking about now.  Maybe KC wasn't yet in the defiant mood of keeping Caylee out overnight, so she had to have Caylee back at home before Cindy woke up.  (Note:  how many times did KC come and go from the house?  Many, many...and C&G never woke up to check it out?)

I know I'm rambling...hope it makes sense.

[Ono]

PDF for Casey's sleep pattern.I can't read it.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0306/18872007.pdf

Goodness, neither can I ... 

Right click over the page and there is a zoom choice.

It looks as if these are inactivity totals not sleep totals. But it sure looks like the inactivity increased after the 16th! Does any monkey remember this: The first call she made on 6/16 was to the Anthonys home or else the first call she recieved was from the Anthony home....lasted less than a minute... any Monkey brains remember that?

Phone call from the Anthony home Monday June 16th @ 7:45am to KC's cellphone


This tells me Cindy called KC before leaving for work.....Cindy said KC and Caylee were home in bed when she left.  Why would Cindy call KC's cell if she was home in bed???

IMO KC was not home in bed that Monday morning.....the beginning of Cindy's lies.

In that early interview with Greta, didn't Cindy tell Greta that " their [ Casey/Caylee were sleeping together ] bedroom door was closed  " when she left for work that morning and to her that meant that they were still asleep ? 

Yes...and that she heard noises in there too

Oh, that's right;  [ That was so much like what the Kalpoe brothers' mother said way back in Natalee's case.... regarding the closed door and 'knowing' they were in there. ]

[leslee]

Okays maybe I am behind but I haven't seen these docs yet


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-03/45414229.pdf

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-03/45413764.pdf

Its the first time I have been looking for info on OS. I apologize if they are old 

[Tater]

I regret that I cannot provide a link or any verification.  The day the body was found, I was out of town, but had my mini lap top with me.  Within a few minutes of finding out, I found a news site that was telling the story that she had been seen at a hotel alone, in the parking lot.  I believe it said that there was video.  At some point after that LP did briefly state the same thing.  I have told this story before, and I really wish I had saved the page or something to prove it, but I did not.
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No problem..I guess I just don't understand why this info would be held back from our view by LE.I guess we will have to wait and see if it does truly exist..

[cookie]

this may be old news to some of you, but it was new news to me last night and some other posters asked where I had seen this...this is only one place that I saw it...it was on a doc where I also read it...hope this works:
Casey Anthony Documents: Chloroform, Neck-Breaking And Incest Oh My!!! … And the Pizza that Never Was
 

Chloroform, Neck-Breaking And Incest Oh My!!!

The recent comments released of the investigation into the disappearance of Caylee Anthony and the case against tot mom Casey Anthony have been nothing short of bizarre. The case, the investigation, the evidence and the actions by Casey and the Anthony family have been head scratching.

Caylee_Anthony_grandparents

Cindy, George & Caylee Anthony

First there were released press statements discussing internet searches of chloroform which just by mere coincidence there was trace elements of chloroform found in Casey Anthony’s car. However, we did not know until just recently the extent of the “how to make chloroform” searches and the time frame of those searches. Then there were released documents indicating that internet Google searches were on the Anthony family computer from March 2008 looking up “neck breaking.”    Now with the latest round of released documents we are presented with an even more bizarre development in the case, the possibility of incest. What else could  could possibly take place? Casey Anthony had talked to others in the past and had made allegations that George Anthony had abused her and her brother Lee made inappropriate sexual advances toward her. Unreal.

[A_News_Junkie_Monkey]

WESH at 5 reports that Baez wants to depose Richard Cain (the deputy that blew off Kronk).

Legal experts say that Baez should not use the "newly" released videos.  Because Baez can't win a Casey character debate cuz the prosecution can bring in the tapes of Casey writing checks and partying while Caylee was missing.

At 6 Baez's reaction to the videos.

I question how they would be able to use the check writing photos as she has not been convicted of that yet.

To establish a time line and to show her state of mind, shopping going to the bank, renting movies ...........oh, and doing the wild thing to a stripper pole!

[Cappuccino]

Dang Capp that was good I don't think it was the night she stayed on June 9th with Ricardo That "Cindy called" and wanted Caylee back, but thats neither here nor there. I honestly think the family thought the date was the 9th ( they probably thought Fathers day was the 9th as well). KC maintained early on "It's been 31 days since I've seen my daughter" so she knew the number of days. She was probably counting them like that cause she thought she was getting away with murder! Another day I pulled the wool over their eyes.

Now check this out: Cindy tells FBI her "timeline" crap. In tape #10  she talks about the week of the 4th of July... they were in Jax ( KC and Caylee) she tells the Feds with Jeff and his family. Cindy HAS to know this is a LIE because Lee tried to nab her out of a bar in Orlando on 7/3. You can't tell me he didn't speak with Cindy on 7/3, that was the date Cindy wrote her Myspace rant.... they WOULD have been in contact ( Lee and Cindy), Cindy probably called him to help her find KC hence the attempted bar abduction by Lee. Within the first 10 minutes of this tape Cindy says to FBI if she THOUGHT anything was wrong she would have called sooner........ LIE TO FBI

http://www.wftv.com/video/18052101/index.html

Awws tks guys...Leslee the ruse of giving the dates between 6/8-6/10 were to cover the actual date Caylee was last seen.  Of course they all knew perfectly well when Caylee was last seen...no doubt about it.

On Cindy's lie about the 4th weekend.   Cindy sent Lee to go looking for Casey specifically.  One of Casey's friends was hanging out with Casey on 7/3 during the day and witnessed a phone call Casey got from her mother & they were arguing rather significantly.  Lee stated another time besides the deposition that his mother sent him looking for her, she wrote that myspace blog later that day.  The wording is very significant.