Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Goodnight everyone!   

[wreck]

Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!! 

[billb's daughter]

Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!! 

Your not making "fuv" of me...are you wreck?....
got to see you...big guy...
Why are we always here so late?

[billb's daughter]

Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!! 

Your not making "fuv" of me...are you wreck?....
good to see you...big guy...
Why are we always here so late?

NOT helping me to my STACKAHOLISM ...wreck....
DON't you read? I'm looking foe help!!!

[billb's daughter]

Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!! 

Your not making "fuv" of me...are you wreck?....
good to see you...big guy...
Why are we always here so late?

NOT helping me to my STACKAHOLISM ...wreck....
DON't you read? I'm looking FOR help!!!
You're (I'm) killing me here...

[johan555]

Breaking News
Sun 08 Mar 2009 07:32 |
Dutch missing on Bonaire

Kralendijk - Bonaire on since Saturday morning (local time) a 44-year-old Dutch woman missing. It has a police spokesman announced Saturday. It is a woman who lives on the island.

Her friend has reported the loss. The police have a dive site in the car the woman was found. A search by divers from natural Stinapa organization has nothing.

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zo 08 mrt 2009, 07:32
Nederlandse vermist op Bonaire

KRALENDIJK - Op Bonaire wordt sinds zaterdagochtend (lokale tijd) een 44-jarige Nederlandse vrouw vermist. Dat heeft een politiewoordvoerder zaterdagavond bekendgemaakt. Het gaat om een vrouw die op het eiland woont.

Haar vriend heeft aangifte gedaan van de vermissing. De politie heeft bij een duikplek de auto van de vrouw aangetroffen. Een zoekactie door duikers van natuurorganistatie Stinapa heeft niets opgeleverd.

[bastibro]

Good Morning San and Maria

Have a great Sunday!

[San]

Good Morning San and Maria

Have a great Sunday!

Good Morning Everyone.

[klaasend]

I'm sorry but I find this humorous.  This was posted yesterday at the BFN backup site.  It has not been answered yet:

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... when you consider Kyle Kingman's words regarding the events encompassing January, 7, 2008 chain of custody that envolved only the enemy who had prevent justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... a search of the remaining targets would be for naught.   

Think about it.

1.  According to Kyle Kingman ... Natalee Holloway's remains Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that trap.

2.  What assurances do those who prayfully and monetarily donated to the last search have that a repeat of January 7, 2008 would not be where it is at.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

[Anna]

Good Morning San and Maria

Have a great Sunday!

Good Morning Everyone.

Good Morning Johan55, Bastibro, Debbie and 9 Guests!


   

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER


PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

[klaasend]

IF - there is another search planned then WHY are they not soliciting donations?

IF - there is another search planned then WHY has it not been published by media in the USA, why only Dutch?

[Buckeye]

Breaking News
Sun 08 Mar 2009 07:32 |
Dutch missing on Bonaire

Kralendijk - Bonaire on since Saturday morning (local time) a 44-year-old Dutch woman missing. It has a police spokesman announced Saturday. It is a woman who lives on the island.

Her friend has reported the loss. The police have a dive site in the car the woman was found. A search by divers from natural Stinapa organization has nothing.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
zo 08 mrt 2009, 07:32
Nederlandse vermist op Bonaire

KRALENDIJK - Op Bonaire wordt sinds zaterdagochtend (lokale tijd) een 44-jarige Nederlandse vrouw vermist. Dat heeft een politiewoordvoerder zaterdagavond bekendgemaakt. Het gaat om een vrouw die op het eiland woont.

Haar vriend heeft aangifte gedaan van de vermissing. De politie heeft bij een duikplek de auto van de vrouw aangetroffen. Een zoekactie door duikers van natuurorganistatie Stinapa heeft niets opgeleverd.

   
The Bonaire missing woman called Sylvia, she was born on March 24, 1965, reports our correspondent Bonaire. There is probably not a crime, but a farewell letter.

translated from:

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

[BUCKSHOT]

IF - there is another search planned then WHY are they not soliciting donations?

IF - there is another search planned then WHY has it not been published by media in the USA, why only Dutch?

If they allowed a search, complete with donations, after knowing that the remains had already been collected, then I think that would be inhumane and sadistic on their part.

[klaasend]

IF - there is another search planned then WHY are they not soliciting donations?

IF - there is another search planned then WHY has it not been published by media in the USA, why only Dutch?

If they allowed a search, complete with donations, after knowing that the remains had already been collected, then I think that would be inhumane and sadistic on their part.

It defies logic. 

[Anna]

Klaas ... when you consider Kyle Kingman's words regarding the events encompassing January, 7, 2008 chain of custody that envolved only the enemy who had prevent justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... a search of the remaining targets would be for naught.  

Think about it.

1.  According to Kyle Kingman ... Natalee Holloway's remains Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that trap.

2.  What assurances do those who prayfully and monetarily donated to the last search have that a repeat of January 7, 2008 would not be where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very disappointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Janet,
Your words above are the Problem.  You said "Think about it."

Well, some seem to think that is a though crime of some sort.  Mustn't think for ourselves at all but rather be told what to think. 

I have all the respect, admiration and might even say affection for Dave Holloway having watched him for almost four years now.  I have included him in hundreds and maybe thousands of prayers.  That photo of him digging in the dump for his daughter is one of the most touching to me of this entire tragedy.

That said, I do not however require him to tell me right from wrong, logic from illogic. 

There is nothing anybody could say or do that would make me feel good about any remains that could even possibly be Natalee being handled and given exclusively over to Aruban LE, the same group that turned blood into chocolate, threw away fabric that looked familiar on TV, discarded belt found by Art Wood, and made every other shred of even possible evidence vanish.

But that's just me.  Others, of course, may feel differently.  I would much rather see Natalee returned to her family than ALE.


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[Tamikosmom]

Could it be that those remaining targets are not Natalee Holloway related but ... oil mapping related?
 
Nevertheless ... I contend that no donations will be solicited.  It would be too risky.

IMO

Janet 


Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role. Once teams reach Aruba they'll scan the bottom of the ocean and map out any objects that seem out of place. What sensors pick up is all monitored in this survey room. Teams will then investigate the objects and send a robotic like device under water with cameras.

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813

[klaasend]

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/urgent-aruban-resort-owners-36968/

OOPS

[Buckeye]

I guess what I don't understand is that if all the mapping is done and the targets located....if they think Natalee could be in one (and not already located), why do they have to wait for ships, etc.  Can't a couple of scuba divers just dive on the targets?  I would think diving could be accomplished pretty reasonably.  Don't people actually visit that area to dive?  Why all the need for "search" vessels?  Do you need an ROV to check a cage?