Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09

[texasmom]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

Johan will tell you it's Hermit crabs in the cage!

Yep, hermit crabs that the Arubans claimed were rocks!  

[Tamikosmom]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Kermit never claimed that he/she sent Dave, Beth and the FBI that information.  Read his/her words carefully.

The agenda.  Discredit the messengers of the Persistence deception and ... negate the message.

Janet

Janet

[Elaine]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

[texasmom]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

Exactly Elaine!   

[Rob]

Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

[San]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

I agree Anna.  How will it change Kyle's own words.

[Anna]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

Yes, and many posts were right here at SM and PI responded to them here as well.  This is not about kermit at all but what Kyle had to say about what happened onboard during the search and who was granted exclusive access to the results of the search.

[San]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

Exactly Elaine.

[johan555]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?

Why do you Johan???

Can we say DejaVu, because this sure seems like a repeat of yesterday on here.

So again I will say, I have seen no Proof of any new search.

When is this "new search" ? Date and time please?

I think the "new search" is a rumor started by Johan.
Johan is the one who brought that information here.
It was picked up by one Aruban newspaper and John Silvetti's sister
when she was trying to bash the Monkeys and defend the actions of
her brother.
There has been no mention of a new search anywhere else.

A rumor started by Johan ? 

AD is one of the biggest newspapers in holland

Article Link : http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Artikle + trans :

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA

[Tamikosmom]

johan ... FYI.

Janet

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klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

[Keepthefaith]

What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question!

[johan555]

Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA

[johan555]

What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question!

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question 

[Rob]

Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.

Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

Yes, and many posts were right here at SM and PI responded to them here as well.  This is not about kermit at all but what Kyle had to say about what happened onboard during the search and who was granted exclusive access to the results of the search.

Kyle = nitwit traitor - case closed.
Silvetti = future inmate - God willing.
Shaefer = bunk muffin to Silvetti - Liberachi willing.
Trahan = can't swim his way outta a bath tub - juss useless totally useless. I hope this guy gets the Jesus Juice treatment from Michael Jackson.

[Elaine]

Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :That PROVES nothing. IMO

Speculation is all. When is this "new search"..... date and time please?

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA

[Keepthefaith]

What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question!

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question 

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice...

[Rob]

What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question!

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question 

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice...

lemme help ya KTF

 

[Elaine]

Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :That PROVES nothing. IMO

Speculation is all. When is this "new search"..... date and time please?

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA

Sorry Rob, my reply ended up in your post.

[Kermit]

What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question!

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question 

johann how tall are you?

[Keepthefaith]

What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question!

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question 

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice...

lemme help ya KTF

 

LMAO Rob.Nice to see you.Hope all is well in your world?The previous post was a Scared Monkey Classic!