Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09

[Tamikosmom]

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

 

Beth Holloway stated that everyone was connected on that Island.  So Helen Lejuez ... the family's attorney on the Island ... works from the same firm as the judge whose ruling has favored the main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo.

Do I have that right Kermit?

Ribbit.

Janet

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html

[Lifesong]

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

 

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[Kermit]

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?

Wow!Destiny talks to Helen?

I don't think so 

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.

[Keepthefaith]

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?

Wow!Destiny talks to Helen?

I don't think so 

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.

You peel away another layer of the onion and get a little SICKER...JMOO

[2NJSons_Mom]

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?

Wow!Destiny talks to Helen?

I don't think so 

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.

I know it doesn't mean anything, but there's only one in the aruban phone book....there's a lot of Werlemans with or without a hyphenated surname.  This is the one I just found.

Werleman Helen Elvira     
 
Malmokweg 14
 
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=werleman&page=5

[Kermit]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

[2NJSons_Mom]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

Only one of these, too.   

Werleman Aureen A     
 
Seroe Pita 43

http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=werleman&page=3
 

[Keepthefaith]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

[Tamikosmom]

Is an opinion a lie? If so, we are all guilty. Maybe Kyle hadn't learned what IMO meant yet. Jen, I don't like what the Persistence did one bit re: donations, etc. IF they conspired with Aruba, then hang 'em.

nimrod

Detective wannabes akin to Tamikosmom required an IMO following their theories, speculations and contentions.  However ... Kyle Kingman is not a detective wannabe ... he had the priviledge of observing a first hand account of many of the happenings encompassing the John Silvetti betrayal while on board the Persistence.  Kyle Kingman was present on board the Persistence on the January 7, 2008 chain of custody that involved only the Aruban divers.

IMO ... Kyle Kingman's posts to the Natalee's Freebirds' site do not required an IMO.

Janet

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Topic: THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP (DOCUMENT)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0




 

[Lifesong]

Kyle said: " I can't imagine what the family is going through. Over the past several months I have stood witness to a lot. I found myself in a very awkward place of knowing a lot, but not enough, but perhaps too much

Here's the biggest thing I don't like about Kyle:

Why didn't Kyle go ahead and forward the 12/30 and 1/7 pictures to the FBI?  He could have done that right after watching the divers' boat pull away.  He surely sent them electronically on the 29th.  Why not send to the same address on 1/7?  He didn't have to tell anyone or ask anyone.  Include a message, "I'm sending these secretly, I could get fired for this.." and click Send.  It's the FBI for crying out loud, they'd understand that.

If he was so worried about what was in the trap why didn't he send the pictures to the FBI? 

Instead he's playing bigshot on some messageboards soaking up the attention and admiration.  I don't condemn him for it, but I can't be blind to it either. 

[klaasend]

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?

Wow!Destiny talks to Helen?

I don't think so 

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.

I believe the leak LIED.  That is not the name that Destiny told me many times in emails.

[klaasend]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

   ok

[Keepthefaith]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

   ok

So the Frog got it right?

[jen3560]

Nimrod,

I want to ask you to think about something.  I know you missed a lot due to the horrible things you and yours were going thru, and I know how hard it is to try and catch up after so long a time away.

I know you don't believe what Kyle told us.

Here's the question I'd like you to entertain.

Why would Kyle lie to us, when he knew that a member of Natalee's family was with us?  That this family member would be reading/seeing everything he was about to share with us?

We all knew he wasn't just some anonymous internet poster with a "story" to tell.

This information was/is of such importance to her family, he HAD to know they would do something about it?

He had to know that his recounting of the facts could be/would be checked with others, reported to our law enforcement, etc.

He was very familiar with our blog (remember from emails long before he joined us about our disposal timeline/location for May 30th) - so he knew what we stood for, and what we could do with this information.

So - knowing those things, why would he lie directly to Natalee's family, and to us?

Jen, I think Kyle said things to us that he thought we wanted to hear and things that would make him feel important and in control of things (which he wasn't). I really believe he was saying things that were 1/3rd truths and 2/3rd opinions. He was unable to close the deal in selling the video and with contacting Natalee's family and was looking to the Freebirds for their support and help. I remember when I was a young man and attempted to do things that were over my head or beyond my capibility.  IMO, That was Kyle.

Fair enough.  And thank you for taking the time to think about it and answer.

I disagree, but that's ok. 

I don't see a mean spirited person in Kyle - which, IMO, he certainly would have to be to create a story (or embellish one) in the face of Natalee's family regarding her remains.

That's some heavy stuff there, and that would be playing with fire..............and could make his name "Mud" in his industry in a heartbeat.

Is he arrogant?  Absolutely.

Is he good at what he does?  Undoubtedly.

Did he lie or embellish about something so massive and so emotionally fuelled?  Doubtful.

Is an opinion a lie? If so, we are all guilty. Maybe Kyle hadn't learned what IMO meant yet. Jen, I don't like what the Persistence did one bit re: donations, etc. IF they conspired with Aruba, then hang 'em.

I don't doubt kyle's accounting of what transpired surrounding that cage.

I also don't doubt his (and Tim Miller's) assertions of what they had found - human remains.

Were those remains Natalee's?  I don't know that we will ever know one way or the other.

We're looking now to see if any/all had conspired with Aruba - to the tune of pay-offs/bribes.

We KNOW Schaefer solicited donations to HIMSELF in an underhanded and sneaky way (Thanks HotPing!)

We KNOW Silvetti met with someone from AHATA (thanks to Dave)

We KNOW not a one of 'em reported anything to the FBI or to Natalee's family.

That alone tells me there was some conspiring going on - to what degree, we don't yet know.

And we have Lala's Mom saying their endeavor was two-fold, with the main purpose being oil related.

Don't worry my friend - if we find it, we'll hang 'em!!

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53683.php

Weather Petrobras interested in acquisition Valero
March 9, 2009, 16:13 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - The Brazilian state oil company Petrobras has renewed interest in the Valero refinery. The takeover failed last year, now appears due to internal conflict.

It reports the international news agency Reuters. Valero, both Aruba and from headquarters in San Antonio itself, would like nothing more months lost on potential buyers, except that new buyers. In November last year this newspaper reported that the Colombian Ecopetrol and Petro China, the Chinese would be interested in a takeover. Delegations from these companies visited the refinery in San Nicolas. Recently chaired the Government including Prime Minister Nelson Oduber with a delegation of Petro China to the table. This conversation was particularly informative in nature, the Chinese company wanted to know more about licensing and taxation of Aruba. Also on the agenda was the argument that the government has to pay Valero BBO tax. Petro China is now third visit to the refinery planned.

Reuters reports that the reason that the sale of Petrobras the last time was rejected, an internal conflict related. Unofficially, the over all, but when the papers were signed, the Brazilian company pulled back suddenly. An official reason was never given. A major fire in January last year in one of the vacuum unit of the refinery which they did in May return to full power could run, threw a spanner in the first instance in the food. The negotiations were put stop, but were resumed in May after which a few months later through an internal mail to the managers were informed that the refinery was sold. The latter proved so the next day is no longer correct.
The conflict within rooms now seems to have resolved that an acquisition of the Aruba refinery late last year back on the agenda of Petrobras is put.

Valero said the refinery would sell if they are a good price for it. Some time back was speculated that the Aruban Valero establishment would close if not sold would be. Spokesman Bill Day said earlier that one of the options, but there are no critical deadline is. Also on Day sale was a blow to the arm because the refinery is still making a profit. But he said that the site less attractive for Valero and the company better compete elsewhere. Valero hit since the introduction of sales tax BBO in conflict with the government to pay tax. An announced investment of over one billion florin in the refinery - needed for high quality diesel products for the U.S. domestic manufacturing - the tax was no more conflict.

[Tamikosmom]

If you think Nothing is was the trap, so they ALL went for a boon doggel on board the RV Persistence

DECEMBER 30, 2007 - ON BOARD MEETING

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.

Kyle Kingman: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle Kingman: This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

[Keepthefaith]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD??

[San]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD??

One would think it would be.

I for one never trusted Helen because she was just too damn close to the case.  Her brother represented one of the other suspects.  I never had great confidence in her ability.

[wreck]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD??

Yes, it would be BAD .............. but it sure as heck wouldn't be surprising! Everyone is related one way or another -- even Dompig is the uncle to the Kalpoes!!!!!! 

[Tamikosmom]

correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario

So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD??

Yes, it would be BAD .............. but it sure as heck wouldn't be surprising! Everyone is related one way or another -- even Dompig is the uncle to the Kalpoes!!!!!! 

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 9:15 a.m. PT, Fri., April. 7, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

TWITTY: Well, you know, it‘s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


On the Record w/ Greta
You Know You're Tired When...
Thursday, May 25, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN:  As most of you know, Guido Wever, age 19, was arrested in Holland last week in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. He has been released. Here is a small news item: He is related to a frequent guest on our show — Arlene Ellis-Schipper. I was told they are cousins, but I don't know if that is first, second ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196974,00.html