Haleigh Cummings #4 3/04/09 - 3/08/09

[islandmonkey]

"Yes, I do have a message for whoever has taken Haleigh. I would ask that you please, please bring my daughter home. She's not yours, not your property. She's not something that you just take and say, 'It's mine.' This is my daughter, this is blood and I would like to have my daughter back please. Please bring my daughter home," he pleaded.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:X46CKk9Ww5cJ:www.wftv.com/news/18752473/detail.html+Ronald+cummings+shes+not+property&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

That is quite a change from his first rants.  Very interesting that he goes at it from a posession perspective....

Yes it is~and the first words after "I just got home from work", were my child was STOLEN..........that is an odd choice of words to me, as is the line I highlighted in red above.

Yes stolen indicated that he considered her a posession.  Then again he could just be one of those guys who sometimes tarts talking gangster as a defense mechanism.  I thought that bringing up how he has a gun was rather "ghetto" (no offense to anyone).

Dolce, it's funny you mentioned possesiveness. I found this port over yonder, and again NO FACT that he was Ron's neighbor, but he was taking up for him and he mentioned possessiveness:

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I wanna go back to when right away Ron and Misty were saying someone stole Haleigh.

That terminology - stole - stands out to me. Ron's plea to whoever has Haleigh - that she is not a piece of property - odd.

Makes me wonder if something else wasn't stolen that night - to make them so quick to use that word.

If so - it has to be something that they don't want anyone to know about - like something they themselves stole? Drugs? A weapon?

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Remember that Ron is a possessive young man. His children were his life. Misty is very young and not well educated. That may help explain their "someone stole my daughter". In Mistys' 911 call she said that her daughter was gone.

[Dolce]

So d@mn frustrating~all the time that has gone by and absolutely nothing!!!! But, Caylee wasn't found until 6 months later, so it's possible she's been missed somehow, maybe in the river, same with Adji IIRC wasn't he last seen walking towards water? I still pray we are wrong on both accounts, but statistically it doesn't look good.

Very frustrating indeed.  I pray that neither one of these cases drag on as long as Caylees did with no turn up. With Adji's case its different, we are dealing with his last sightings being made by children.  We have on record a child saying he was tossing a football with Adji and then left, another set of girls saying they saw him walking towards the bridge, and just last weekend when we went to visit them I spoke with 2 little boys who claimed that they saw him attempting to ride another childs bike and one minute he was there and the next he was gone.  A lot of nothing.

[islandmonkey]

So d@mn frustrating~all the time that has gone by and absolutely nothing!!!! But, Caylee wasn't found until 6 months later, so it's possible she's been missed somehow, maybe in the river, same with Adji IIRC wasn't he last seen walking towards water? I still pray we are wrong on both accounts, but statistically it doesn't look good.

Very frustrating indeed.  I pray that neither one of these cases drag on as long as Caylees did with no turn up. With Adji's case its different, we are dealing with his last sightings being made by children.  We have on record a child saying he was tossing a football with Adji and then left, another set of girls saying they saw him walking towards the bridge, and just last weekend when we went to visit them I spoke with 2 little boys who claimed that they saw him attempting to ride another childs bike and one minute he was there and the next he was gone.  A lot of nothing.

Thanks for staying on top of it Dolce.......there are so many inconsistencies in Adji's and Haliegh's cases from the last to see her I read thru the old transcripts today where Misty stated the last time she saw Haliegh was 8:00 when she put her to bed, makes me wonder if she was there or not especially after re-reading so many transcripts.

[Dolce]

Dolce, it's funny you mentioned possesiveness. I found this port over yonder, and again NO FACT that he was Ron's neighbor, but he was taking up for him and he mentioned possessiveness:

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I wanna go back to when right away Ron and Misty were saying someone stole Haleigh.

That terminology - stole - stands out to me. Ron's plea to whoever has Haleigh - that she is not a piece of property - odd.

Makes me wonder if something else wasn't stolen that night - to make them so quick to use that word.

If so - it has to be something that they don't want anyone to know about - like something they themselves stole? Drugs? A weapon?

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Remember that Ron is a possessive young man. His children were his life. Misty is very young and not well educated. That may help explain their "someone stole my daughter". In Mistys' 911 call she said that her daughter was gone.

Ron comes across as about as educated as Misty to me.  Misty though is very young, and I think that is why listening to her throws me for a loop.  She is scared, and you can tell, I do not blame the scare on Ron, but on the situation at hand.  If someone came in and took the child while she was sleeping in the same room, hell that would scare me sh!tless. 
For now, while the terminology is odd, I am going to put it in the back of my mind for a rainy day, and chalk it up, for now, to lack of common terminology.  (I keep waiting for Earl and Joy to come walking by with this bunch)

[Dolce]

Thanks for staying on top of it Dolce.......there are so many inconsistencies in Adji's and Haliegh's cases from the last to see her I read thru the old transcripts today where Misty stated the last time she saw Haliegh was 8:00 when she put her to bed, makes me wonder if she was there or not especially after re-reading so many transcripts.

Well if she was doing drugs at the time, 8pm could have been the first time she "remembered" or went back to given its a routine and she was trying to cover for her inhebriation.  As she "sobered" up she started to expand on her story and things changed as tidbits of memory and situation came back into play.
I will say this, I was shocked to see her with her mother, I wanted to scream at that mother, "What are you thinking allowing your 17y/o to play mommie to a 24 y/o mans kids!!"

[NCSunny]

errr ... ummm, can a monkey please give me a reason why LE would remove sections of the wall where the hot water heater is located???   

Sorry if someone else already said this & that I am so far behind, but I heard Mrs.Neves say in one interview that they took the panel covering the hot water heater  & the wood surrounding the bathtub, looking for little Haleigh.

[Dolce]

Thanks for staying on top of it Dolce.......there are so many inconsistencies in Adji's and Haliegh's cases from the last to see her I read thru the old transcripts today where Misty stated the last time she saw Haliegh was 8:00 when she put her to bed, makes me wonder if she was there or not especially after re-reading so many transcripts.

Well if she was doing drugs at the time, 8pm could have been the first time she "remembered" or went back to given its a routine and she was trying to cover for her inhebriation.  As she "sobered" up she started to expand on her story and things changed as tidbits of memory and situation came back into play.
I will say this, I was shocked to see her with her mother, I wanted to scream at that mother, "What are you thinking allowing your 17y/o to play mommie to a 24 y/o mans kids!!"

Also to add, if she was intoxicated or on some sort of drug at time of first report, it would explain why the LE has questioned her so many times thus far, and most certainly took DNA not only for testing but also for a drug profile...on all of them.

[Dolce]

errr ... ummm, can a monkey please give me a reason why LE would remove sections of the wall where the hot water heater is located???   

Sorry if someone else already said this & that I am so far behind, but I heard Mrs.Neves say in one interview that they took the panel covering the hot water heater  & the wood surrounding the bathtub, looking for little Haleigh.

There was a story, not long ago, that a body was found within the confinements of the hot water heater.  Disgusting, I know, but somehow the tank held in the decomp smell for a bit of time.  NOT saying that is what they were looking at, but just throwing that out there.

[theboyzmom]

Ok - a little humor for all of you - but on topic - I have found the solution for Mom's family

[islandmonkey]

Thanks for staying on top of it Dolce.......there are so many inconsistencies in Adji's and Haliegh's cases from the last to see her I read thru the old transcripts today where Misty stated the last time she saw Haliegh was 8:00 when she put her to bed, makes me wonder if she was there or not especially after re-reading so many transcripts.

Well if she was doing drugs at the time, 8pm could have been the first time she "remembered" or went back to given its a routine and she was trying to cover for her inhebriation.  As she "sobered" up she started to expand on her story and things changed as tidbits of memory and situation came back into play.
I will say this, I was shocked to see her with her mother, I wanted to scream at that mother, "What are you thinking allowing your 17y/o to play mommie to a 24 y/o mans kids!!"

ITA~It's one thing to babysit kids at 17, but to be the fulltime caregiver is something quite different.......also, she was only 16 when she started to play mommy.

[Searching]

If it is medication or medical equipment, bio mom,aunts,uncles and grand,great grand parents would all know

Teachers, school nurses, father, ex-girlfriends of father, current girlfriends of father, ex-boyfriends of mother, current boyfriends of mother, any family member with 2 ears and a telephone, neighbors who they visit with frequently, a person watching the house and the family..........anyone observant.....

I did not put father and gf because she lived with him, I was just thinking of other who would know other then whom she resided with. sorry...

I was not singling them out, I was adding to your list as you had requested.
(There are a lot of "hot" people on this thread)

Im not hot I thought I upset you 

[islandmonkey]

Ok - a little humor for all of you - but on topic - I have found the solution for Mom's family

Mom....Crystal????? She has been staying in a donated house/trailer at night for a while now.

O/T~did you get my last email, and if so I hope they help.

[Dolce]

If it is medication or medical equipment, bio mom,aunts,uncles and grand,great grand parents would all know

Teachers, school nurses, father, ex-girlfriends of father, current girlfriends of father, ex-boyfriends of mother, current boyfriends of mother, any family member with 2 ears and a telephone, neighbors who they visit with frequently, a person watching the house and the family..........anyone observant.....

I did not put father and gf because she lived with him, I was just thinking of other who would know other then whom she resided with. sorry...

I was not singling them out, I was adding to your list as you had requested.
(There are a lot of "hot" people on this thread)

Im not hot I thought I upset you 

Upset me?  LOL  Not gonna happen.  This thread is full of hot people though...eek!!

[theboyzmom]

Ok - a little humor for all of you - but on topic - I have found the solution for Mom's family

Mom....Crystal????? She has been staying in a donated house/trailer at night for a while now.

O/T~did you get my last email, and if so I hope they help.

I did and they did - Thanks a million

On topic - I could have sworn I read that mom was going to have to move her tent because you needed a special permit to keep it where it was.

[minnie]

At some point on the 911 recording when Misty was talking to the operator you could hear Ron in the background call her a bitch and ask her how she could let someone get his daughter.  (Not a direct quote, but paraphrased).

Did anyone else hear that.  And as a matter of fact the guy that is on Nancy Grace's show pointed that out and NG cut him off and said all those kind of people talk that way.

It has been very obvious to me that they have tried to overlook that particular verbiage by Ron in the initial call.

[islandmonkey]

Ok - a little humor for all of you - but on topic - I have found the solution for Mom's family

Mom....Crystal????? She has been staying in a donated house/trailer at night for a while now.

O/T~did you get my last email, and if so I hope they help.

I did and they did - Thanks a million

On topic - I could have sworn I read that mom was going to have to move her tent because you needed a special permit to keep it where it was.

I'm glad.....I'm always an email away if needed.

Yes, she and Ron are both having to move the tents, some ordinance. I'm not sure, but where I live in Florida they have had controlled burns for the past 3 yrs, I get a least one email a week about them, and we are always int he "red" zones for fire danger.......so, if they were having campfires at night etc, I can see where they might want them moved further away from other homes (just a guess thought  )

[sistamarge]

Has anyone thought of this?  Misty says she washes the blanket, so the washer and/or dryer is running...she has the wooden back door open for ventelation.  We know the home is older....so even if the screen door was locked....sometimes you can just give a small tug and they will open anyway.  She could have been sitting on the front porch smoking with or without friends. So with washer/dryer and at least one TV on...would be easy for someone to get in without being heard or seen...  And wouldn't the last time she saw her been 10ish when/IF she went to bed  *and covered Haleigh with the newly washed blanket?*

[MuffyBee]

Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys, sistamarge    That's an interesting theory.

[islandmonkey]

Has anyone thought of this?  Misty says she washes the blanket, so the washer and/or dryer is running...she has the wooden back door open for ventelation.  We know the home is older....so even if the screen door was locked....sometimes you can just give a small tug and they will open anyway.  She could have been sitting on the front porch smoking with or without friends. So with washer/dryer and at least one TV on...would be easy for someone to get in without being heard or seen...  And wouldn't the last time she saw her been 10ish when/IF she went to bed  *and covered Haleigh with the newly washed blanket?*

Anything is possible, so I'd say yes.....

She has said 10:ish in the later interviews, it wasn't until today when I was going thru transcripts that I found these:

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Detectives don`t know, either. Today they officially ruled Haleigh Cummings`s disappearance an abduction. Police believe someone snatched the 5-year-old from her Satsuma home. They say, at this point, everyone`s a suspect.

CUMMINGS: Yes, I have taken a polygraph. Yes, did I pass it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know where she is or who has her! I just want her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the back door was wide open, propped open with a cinderblock, but they don`t know whether it was left unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I put her to bed about 8:00 o`clock. I woke up and she was gone, and the back door was wide open! That`s the last I seen her is when I put her to bed!
 
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There are more where I grabbed this one, in our transcripts thread

[sistamarge]

Thanks for the welcome!  And please, don't think I'm making any kind of excuse for Misty.  I do believe she knows more than she is tellin!