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« Reply #1920 on: March 08, 2009, 09:22:50 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...

neither has anyone from Crystal's side....do you find that strange as well?

Ron and Misty live in the area and you would think @ least one of their freinds faces would be seen.. I wonder what type of friends to they have- under aged friends-friends that do drugs- It seems to me it has to be someone who knows theie routine and layout of the home if Ron and Misty were not involved...
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« Reply #1921 on: March 08, 2009, 09:22:56 PM »

Oh, I gotcha Peanut......I agree there are way too many lost out there, and some are just classified as runaways in those numbers, who knows for sure whether they actually ran away OR met with foul play as per the study teenagers:


Teenagers were by far the most frequent victims
of both stereotypical kidnappings and nonfamily
abductions.


http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

it would be horrible to have a child missing and not knowing for sure where they are or what happened to them...so hard to even think about...
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« Reply #1922 on: March 08, 2009, 09:23:58 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...
According to a neighbor of Ron and Misty, I have seen several of their associates and they have been polite, neat and had respectable (not outlandish) vehicles. Again, who knows about this person who is a neighbor?
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« Reply #1923 on: March 08, 2009, 09:26:10 PM »

Oh, I gotcha Peanut......I agree there are way too many lost out there, and some are just classified as runaways in those numbers, who knows for sure whether they actually ran away OR met with foul play as per the study teenagers:


Teenagers were by far the most frequent victims
of both stereotypical kidnappings and nonfamily
abductions.


http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

its just heartbreaking! its so upsetting that some teens can be classified as runaways and not be investigated as fully...id go crazy if that happened.
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« Reply #1924 on: March 08, 2009, 09:26:24 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...

neither has anyone from Crystal's side....do you find that strange as well?

Ron and Misty live in the area and you would think @ least one of their freinds faces would be seen.. I wonder what type of friends to they have- under aged friends-friends that do drugs- It seems to me it has to be someone who knows theie routine and layout of the home if Ron and Misty were not involved...

but how do you really know that none of their friends have been there? none of us are there 24/7 to really know that...they probably have friends of all different ages etc...just like the rest of us do...and none of us know that their friends do drugs either....

I too think that it was someone who possibly knew the family, a neighbor perhaps? someone who watched the family .....
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« Reply #1925 on: March 08, 2009, 09:26:39 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...
According to a neighbor of Ron and Misty, I have seen several of their associates and they have been polite, neat and had respectable (not outlandish) vehicles. Again, who knows about this person who is a neighbor?

Your right on that who knows.. You have some murders and the neighbors say- I dont believe it he was so nice...
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« Reply #1926 on: March 08, 2009, 09:27:32 PM »

Oh, I gotcha Peanut......I agree there are way too many lost out there, and some are just classified as runaways in those numbers, who knows for sure whether they actually ran away OR met with foul play as per the study teenagers:


Teenagers were by far the most frequent victims
of both stereotypical kidnappings and nonfamily
abductions.


http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

it would be horrible to have a child missing and not knowing for sure where they are or what happened to them...so hard to even think about...

ITA~While knowing your child has passes would be beyond horrific, I think NOT knowing if they were scared, hungry, hurt, sad or wondering why you haven't come to get them would be worse......push me right over the edge
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« Reply #1927 on: March 08, 2009, 09:29:15 PM »

what does IIRC stand for by the way? probably something really obvious...
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« Reply #1928 on: March 08, 2009, 09:29:59 PM »


Then toss the statement below intot he mix, and your mind starts going

http://www.mytvjax.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx
 
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: In terms of the family, why the re-interviews over and over again of Misty and Ron and why haven`t any of the immediate family members been excluded as suspects at this point?

SHAULAND: Well, nobody has been excluded as a suspect because we just don`t know what happened to Haleigh. We don`t know anything about her whereabouts. As you can well imagine, somewhere down the line when all likelihood we`ve got a crime involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.

And so we are trying to keep the criminal investigation alive and we`ve not ruled out anybody because we don`t know what the crime is at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I guess --

SHAULAND: As far as --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened."


I have a problem with a couple of things that JVM said above. 

"And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time,"

He was *spotted* at work...  This sure doesn't help anyone know if Ron was at work his whole entire shift.  As I and others have said and said, could he have been late?  Left on his dinner hour or break?  Left work early?  *Spotting* him there doesn't mean to me that his alibi is verified.  Does it to LE?  Are they satisified with someone having *spotted* Ron there at some point during his shift?  And if so, why?      

He was spotted at work *at the time*... What *time* frame are they working with, his entire shift?  How can a person be spotted during an entire shift?  Even Shauland goes on to say that they don't know *when* it happened.  So how could that be an alibi for Ron, given they don't even know the timeframe they are looking for an alibi for? 

Lordy, I am confusing myself!      

"and that person is formally excluded as a suspect,"

Except that Ron hasn't been excluded.. yet. 
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« Reply #1929 on: March 08, 2009, 09:30:15 PM »

what does IIRC stand for by the way? probably something really obvious...

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« Reply #1930 on: March 08, 2009, 09:30:21 PM »

Oh, I gotcha Peanut......I agree there are way too many lost out there, and some are just classified as runaways in those numbers, who knows for sure whether they actually ran away OR met with foul play as per the study teenagers:


Teenagers were by far the most frequent victims
of both stereotypical kidnappings and nonfamily
abductions.


http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

its just heartbreaking! its so upsetting that some teens can be classified as runaways and not be investigated as fully...id go crazy if that happened.

Me too, I think that's why Tim Miller is such an incredible advocate after LE told him she probably just ran away I lived in Texas during that time period and it was a well known fact that young girls were disappearing all along the I-45 corridor from Houston all the way to Galveston, I was 16 and not allowed to even go to the beach (now I am grateful).....
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« Reply #1931 on: March 08, 2009, 09:31:41 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...
According to a neighbor of Ron and Misty, I have seen several of their associates and they have been polite, neat and had respectable (not outlandish) vehicles. Again, who knows about this person who is a neighbor?

Your right on that who knows.. You have some murders and the neighbors say- I dont believe it he was so nice...
I always wait when something big happens, and you always have at least one neighbor or co-worker that has to come out with, but he was so nice. 
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« Reply #1932 on: March 08, 2009, 09:32:59 PM »

what does IIRC stand for by the way? probably something really obvious...

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« Reply #1933 on: March 08, 2009, 09:33:00 PM »


Then toss the statement below intot he mix, and your mind starts going

http://www.mytvjax.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx
 
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: In terms of the family, why the re-interviews over and over again of Misty and Ron and why haven`t any of the immediate family members been excluded as suspects at this point?

SHAULAND: Well, nobody has been excluded as a suspect because we just don`t know what happened to Haleigh. We don`t know anything about her whereabouts. As you can well imagine, somewhere down the line when all likelihood we`ve got a crime involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.

And so we are trying to keep the criminal investigation alive and we`ve not ruled out anybody because we don`t know what the crime is at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I guess --

SHAULAND: As far as --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened."


I have a problem with a couple of things that JVM said above. 

"And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time,"

He was *spotted* at work...  This sure doesn't help anyone know if Ron was at work his whole entire shift.  As I and others have said and said, could he have been late?  Left on his dinner hour or break?  Left work early?  *Spotting* him there doesn't mean to me that his alibi is verified.  Does it to LE?  Are they satisified with someone having *spotted* Ron there at some point during his shift?  And if so, why?      

He was spotted at work *at the time*... What *time* frame are they working with, his entire shift?  How can a person be spotted during an entire shift?  Even Shauland goes on to say that they don't know *when* it happened.  So how could that be an alibi for Ron, given they don't even know the timeframe they are looking for an alibi for? 

Lordy, I am confusing myself!      

"and that person is formally excluded as a suspect,"

Except that Ron hasn't been excluded.. yet. 


I feel your pain sista 
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« Reply #1934 on: March 08, 2009, 09:35:53 PM »


Then toss the statement below intot he mix, and your mind starts going

http://www.mytvjax.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx
 
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: In terms of the family, why the re-interviews over and over again of Misty and Ron and why haven`t any of the immediate family members been excluded as suspects at this point?

SHAULAND: Well, nobody has been excluded as a suspect because we just don`t know what happened to Haleigh. We don`t know anything about her whereabouts. As you can well imagine, somewhere down the line when all likelihood we`ve got a crime involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.

And so we are trying to keep the criminal investigation alive and we`ve not ruled out anybody because we don`t know what the crime is at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I guess --

SHAULAND: As far as --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened."


I have a problem with a couple of things that JVM said above. 

"And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time,"

He was *spotted* at work...  This sure doesn't help anyone know if Ron was at work his whole entire shift.  As I and others have said and said, could he have been late?  Left on his dinner hour or break?  Left work early?  *Spotting* him there doesn't mean to me that his alibi is verified.  Does it to LE?  Are they satisified with someone having *spotted* Ron there at some point during his shift?  And if so, why?      

He was spotted at work *at the time*... What *time* frame are they working with, his entire shift?  How can a person be spotted during an entire shift?  Even Shauland goes on to say that they don't know *when* it happened.  So how could that be an alibi for Ron, given they don't even know the timeframe they are looking for an alibi for? 

Lordy, I am confusing myself!      

"and that person is formally excluded as a suspect,"

Except that Ron hasn't been excluded.. yet. 


I know where your coming from Wyks.. I would like to know can they leave for a break-  Do they leave early some nights..Was Ron late for work??
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« Reply #1935 on: March 08, 2009, 09:36:45 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...

Well, there is Ron's pastor, and Ron's friend, (Orlando?  The African American that has walked around with him). 
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« Reply #1936 on: March 08, 2009, 09:38:52 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...

Well, there is Ron's pastor, and Ron's friend, (Orlando?  The African American that has walked around with him). 

Did the pastor say how long Ron has been a member of his church?
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« Reply #1937 on: March 08, 2009, 09:41:31 PM »


Then toss the statement below intot he mix, and your mind starts going

http://www.mytvjax.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx
 
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: In terms of the family, why the re-interviews over and over again of Misty and Ron and why haven`t any of the immediate family members been excluded as suspects at this point?

SHAULAND: Well, nobody has been excluded as a suspect because we just don`t know what happened to Haleigh. We don`t know anything about her whereabouts. As you can well imagine, somewhere down the line when all likelihood we`ve got a crime involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.

And so we are trying to keep the criminal investigation alive and we`ve not ruled out anybody because we don`t know what the crime is at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I guess --

SHAULAND: As far as --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened."


I have a problem with a couple of things that JVM said above. 

"And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time,"

He was *spotted* at work...  This sure doesn't help anyone know if Ron was at work his whole entire shift.  As I and others have said and said, could he have been late?  Left on his dinner hour or break?  Left work early?  *Spotting* him there doesn't mean to me that his alibi is verified.  Does it to LE?  Are they satisified with someone having *spotted* Ron there at some point during his shift?  And if so, why?      

He was spotted at work *at the time*... What *time* frame are they working with, his entire shift?  How can a person be spotted during an entire shift?  Even Shauland goes on to say that they don't know *when* it happened.  So how could that be an alibi for Ron, given they don't even know the timeframe they are looking for an alibi for? 

Lordy, I am confusing myself!      

"and that person is formally excluded as a suspect,"

Except that Ron hasn't been excluded.. yet. 


haha the way some 'journalists' spin words can confuse anyone!

'spotted' was jvms term not shaulands. he said "SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that." they checked his alibi and he was at work.

they dont know when something happened to her. thats true because the last person she was seen with was misty and there are no witnessing reports as to what went on between 7ish in the pm and 3ish am. thats the basic mind set in any investigation and wont be put to rest until the perp is identified.

i dont find anything about that particularly ominous in terms of rons alibi, now mistys could be another story.
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« Reply #1938 on: March 08, 2009, 09:41:31 PM »

and while we are at it....where was Granny Sykes and where was Teresa Neves and where was Ron's dad and where was Ron's aunt and uncle and where was Misty and her family that night?
And Crystals relatives? oh, yeah,,,.they were probably dishing out meals at the soup kitchen for the sick and needy right?   
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« Reply #1939 on: March 08, 2009, 09:42:07 PM »

Good Evening Monkeys...

I find it strange that no friends of Ron or Misty have come forward let alone seen them is any of the searches or by the tents...

Well, there is Ron's pastor, and Ron's friend, (Orlando?  The African American that has walked around with him). 

Did the pastor say how long Ron has been a member of his church?

IIRC 3yrs and he has been employed at PDM since October.......going from memory here
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