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Natalee deserves to Return to Her Country!
Natalee Holloway's Mother
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
All We Want is Natalee!
Natalee Holloway's Stepfather
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/
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Alto Vista - NE Aruba
THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS
Blessed Assurance
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Exerpts
Pages 100-103: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.
I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God. And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes. Complete peace blankets me, and I am still. It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now. It comes in total stillness. Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.
I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.
He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years. Now I must trust Him to care for her. So I never ask Him why. Why Natalee? Why me? I don't ask. To do that undermines faith. Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside. God never questioned me when she was in my care. I must not question Him. I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.
Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me. He knows her very well. And she knows Him.
Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school. The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation. Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her. She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God. She knew He had heard her.
Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God". In these thoughts I received the
blessed assurance
from the Creator that rescues me. And I am at peace.
The weight is gone. I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses. The Stations of the Cross. The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.
The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel. When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments. The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee. I talk to her. Promise to find her. Get justice for her. And pledge never to give up. Never.
I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit. Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible. Mom is right; God is good.
All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over. Not the work that has to be done. Just the burden
. I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained. And I am renewed, resilient. Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.
I will pick up one foot and put it down. Then the other one will follow. I will breathe. There is much to be done.
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Originally Deepak, Satish and Joran were one in their statements that Natalee was taken to the lighthouse beside Arashi beach. Then ... at some point in time ... Joran backtracked. Apparently ... according to Joran ... the drive to the lighthouse beside Arashi did not happen.
Was the events encompassing the Marriot Beach all a fabrication ... a fabrication to take the focus of attention off of the Arashi Beach?
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Connect the Dots?
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
Kyle Kingman:
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude.
This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.
Kyle Kingman:
My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude.
Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach.
Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange
Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005
I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section.
I got out because I had to take a pee. Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”. Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”. Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car.
After that I drove down the road towards Arashi.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0
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Texas EquuSearch Quarterly Newsletter
July 2010
P. O. Box 395
Dickinson, Texas 77539
Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
www.texasequusearch.org
Final Thought: A little over five years ago, Natalie Holloway traveled to the island of Aruba with several friends from her high school to celebrate their graduation. Near the end of her visit, she mysteriously disappeared on May 30th 2005. Several men were questioned regarding Natalee’s disappearance, but an investigation finally determined that Natalee was last known to have been with a young man identified as Joran van der Sloot.
Natalee and Joran had met each other at a local casino. But there was no cooperation from Joran van der Sloot. All he did was tell lies; continually changing his story. The investigation into Natalee’s disappearance was greatly hampered because Joran’s father was a judge and carried considerable influence on the island of Aruba. Joran was jailed during the investigation, but amazingly released a short time later. He taunted investigators, searchers and the media with false and misleading information. But worst of all; he yanked
at the delicate emotions of all Natalee’s distraught family. Millions of dollars and thousands of hours of search time was dedicated to finding Natalee.
Unfortunately, Natalee’s remains have not been found yet. Joran traveled frequently over the last five years; never showing any kind of remorse for causing Natalee’s death. Frequent video shots show him smiling and acting care-free everywhere he went. Days, weeks, months and years went by without
any progress of finding justice for Natalee until a few months ago when Joran tried to blackmail Beth Holloway out of $250,000 in exchange for information leading top Natalee’s whereabouts. The F.B.I. had actually tried to set-up a sting for Joran, but he somehow slipped away undetected.
On May 30th 2010, exactly five years to the day after Natalee mysteriously disappeared, Joran became the prime, and only suspect in the vicious homicidal death of 21 year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez at a hotel in Lima, Peru. They both had been attending a poker tournament at a local casino. The evidence against Joran is blistering and overwhelming. He gave a full confession on video, but several days later, he recanted on the confession
claiming “intimidation from Peruvian law authorities.” That’s strange because news videos clearly show he was not intimidated, and that he kind of braggingly told of how he committed the murder of Stephany. Joran might have been in prison long ago, and Natalee might have been buried near her family in Alabama had the Aruban authorities tried as had to solve Natalee’s case, as the Peruvian authorities did to solve Stephany Ramirez’s murder. And Stephany would still be alive today. Joran can’t count on his father’s help anymore because his father died suddenly several months ago. Peru has a judicial system that is somewhat comparable to the courts in the United States, but they are still much harsher that our system on a criminal’s punishment. The only thing Joran regrets today is getting caught.
His life in a Peruvian prison won’t be a walk through Neverland. He will be living among hardened criminals serving time for other vicious crimes. Some are psychologically demented. Rapist will have their way with him. As long as Joran is in a Peruvian prison, every night is date night. He will lie awake at nights wondering which convict is going to be the next to harm him and he surely won’t be liked there.
Tim Miller recently spent two weeks in Aruba looking for Natalee and trying to get more information that might lead searchers to her.
http://texasequusearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2010JulyNewsletter.pdf
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WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT
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We did absolutely no media stuff on it uhhh and I think we did it uhhh only for the best interest of Natalee. You know Dave came over there and uhhh and
I remember meeting with the two FBI agents out of Alabama, then I remember meeting with the uhhh lead FBI agent out of Barbados. Uhhh Dave was gone just about all the time with the investigators and stuff in Aruba and with the FBI.
I know that they had a plan that uhhh that they were gonna pursue and actually go to Aruba...I mean Peru and actually question Joran van der Sloot.
Uhhh I can’t uhhh share what that plan was but a tremendous amount of work has went into this, for it to be the right time and the right way to do it and everything. And so for Beth to go over there...it’s one thing if she goes with herself and somebody else (?) When you’re going over there and you’re taking cameras, now the reports are it’s gonna be about another documentary. Ummm unfortunately (crosstalk) there is gonna be money involved and stuff and I..I..I..just have to totally disagree with her choice. Totally disagree.
Tim Miller:
Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator.
Tim Miller:
We’re searchers, we let the investigators do their job...
Transcript - Texasmom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #847 9/21/10 -
« Reply #507 on: September 24, 2010, 01:07:45 AM »
Tim chose sides, his side is with Dave Holloway.
Dave Holloway's wife has chosen to "sleep" with the enemy. Beth Holloway and Dave Holloway divorced years ago for a reason. There's no reason to believe the two would see eye to eye now.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8546.msg1235034#msg1235034
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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #845 on: March 30, 2009, 09:46:15 PM »
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.
IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg746051#msg746051
Robin Holloway - December, 2007
As far as
Julia
, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with
Mark
for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit.
It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317
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John Silvetti - The Ongoing Search
BFN
Quote from: LegallyLex on April 03, 2008, 07:42:52 PM
John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search. Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?
John: It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.
Dave Holloway - The Ongoing Search
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John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »
The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979
Dr. Phil Attorneys Use Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway Posts as Exhibit in Court Docs Against Deepak & Satish Kalpoes
Posted July 12, 2008 by Scared Monkeys
Comments:
61. Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am
I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.
The fund raiser needs to start soon. An idea I talked with him about is maybe a ebay auction. A large picture of Natalee would go to the highest bidder with all funds going toward this boat search. There could be different auctions spaced out with different picture’s. I just talked with him about this idea, so its not a done deal.
God Bless
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/
Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »
Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence. Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027
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Like Brothers
WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010
Tim Miller: I talked to Robin several times today and uhh Dave has became just a real real close friend of mine, uhhh I regret not meeting Dave Holloway twenty years ago you know and I just love him as a person and for what he’s gone through and I’m there to support him.
Steph Watts: O.K., you guys are like brothers and I remember when all three of us were together in Aruba ...
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Robin Holloway - Blogs for Natalee (BFN)
MIP6
is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank
Reality
for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM
Doc Holladay - RU
(aka MIP6/aka Mark Purcell)
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag banshee of a mother.
Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.
MIP6: I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191
Reality - Blogs for Natalee (BFN)
Reality: How is the conclusion arrived at that Joran was wild? From what I have read, seen and heard, this young fellow seems pretty normal, nothing wilder than the MB Kids that were on Aruba. In fact, a little pussy-cat when compared to kids that age that I have seen and don't even begin to tell me that does not apply to kids from the US. One has to take much of the slandering of this kid with a pinch of salt, these are enuendos put forth by the Right Wing US Media, much the same as was applied to the alledged victim of Duke.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4006.msg121427
Reality: From what I have been reading over the past 15 months, there is absolutely no evidence of foul play
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4670.msg158480
Reality: Those MB Brats, I wonder if they have started talking yet, possibly in the last year, whilst in the real world and away from the bosoms of their Mama's ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4226.msg148163
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THE LIGHTHOUSE - ARASHI BEACH?
Originally Deepak, Satish and Joran were one in their statements that Natalee was taken to the lighthouse beside Arashi beach. Then ... at some point in time ... Joran backtracked. Apparently ... according to Joran ... the drive to the lighthouse beside Arashi did not happen.
Was the events encompassing the Marriot Beach all a fabrication ... a fabrication to take the focus of attention off of the Arashi Beach?
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The June 10th Confession
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled
Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml
The Road to Arashi
Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005
I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section.
I got out because I had to take a pee. Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”. Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”. Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car.
After that I drove down the road towards Arashi.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0
Connect the Dots?
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
Kyle Kingman:
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude.
This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.
Kyle Kingman:
My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude.
Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach.
Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange
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Was Joran van der Sloot attempting to distract attention away from the lighthouse/Arashi Beach with his changing stories?
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The Lighthouse
Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005
To your question why I got the idea to drive to the Lighthouse, I answer you that I did this because Natalee commented that she wanted to go see sharks.
I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low. ....
We drove up to the lighthouse and then we took the same road down again towards the Holiday Inn. While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0
Changing Story - Joran's Residence - Marriot Beach
Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: So you leave Carlos 'nCharlie's and your intention was to head to your house. Did you actually head to your house?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did end up heading to my house because that's what she was — that's what she wanted to, so I was fine with it. And then during the car ride she was — she had her hand on my — on my leg and I had my hand on her leg and we were both in the back. We were kissing each other and so I took (INAUDIBLE) in a — in a positive not in a bad way.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever actually make it to your house?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did stop in front of my house. We got to my house and then, yes then I — then she said she wanted to go see sharks.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why sharks?
VAN DER SLOOT: I have no idea why she wanted to go see sharks and so I was laughing and telling her there's no sharks.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so you drive from your house and where is your next, where is the next point you stop the car?
VAN DER SLOOT: The next point we stopped the car was at the beach where we ended up going to. We were driving. The point was to drive to her hotel then but we drove — we drove right by that and she said, yes, because she didn't want to go to her hotel. She wanted to go see sharks. ....
VAN SUSTEREN: About how long did it take from the point of your house to drive to the beach?
VAN DER SLOOT: That probably takes around five minutes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you drive past her hotel at that point or just drive right to the beach?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, we drove past her — past her hotel and then took the road right next to her hotel.
VAN SUSTEREN: And so when you go to the beach you then move down to the Marriott is that right? You went farther north of the Marriott?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, the Marriott is right next to it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html
Changing Story - No Lighthouse
Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Friday, March 03, 2006
VAN DER SLOOT: ... And they're saying also that we went to the lighthouse when we never even went to the lighthouse.
And, even statements from the security guard that was at the lighthouse said a car never went to the lighthouse at all. I mean that's, you know, that's mind — for me that's mind boggling.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 04:47:19 PM
Ribbit!
Kermit ... could the lighthouse/Arashi Beach have been the location where "something bad" happened.
Thoughts?
Janet
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<snipped>
When Kyle Kingman's own words are considered regarding the location of the trap ... could the "something bad" have happened at the van der Sloot residence and ... Natalee was taken to the lighthouse/Arashi Beach ... not the Marriot Beach?
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Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005
After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove.
Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time.
The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0
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Gang Raped!!
It appears that in August, 2005 the Aruban prosecutor concurs with what Beth Holloway suspected within hours of her arrival on the Island ... Natalee was gang raped.
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Seattle Times - June 9, 2007
As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
(Julia) Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims.
Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html
CNN - August 27, 2005
Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.
Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.
"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.
"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html
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The Lighthouse? Arashi Beach?
New arrest deepens mystery in Holloway case
Aruba police mum on connection between arrest and missing American teen
updated 4/17/2006 9:01:25 AM ET 2006-04-17T13:01:25
In recent weeks, Aruban police have searched sand dunes on the northern coast of the island. Dutch Marines, the FBI and hundreds of volunteers have previously searched for Natalee Holloway.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12335444/
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When the following is considered ... could it be that the Marriot Beach was a distraction? Could the "something bad" had happened at the van der Sloot residence and Natalee was then taken to the Arashi Beach/Lighthouse area?
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Kyle Kingman's own words in regards to the location where the trap was discovered.
2. Kermit's map which clearly reveals the relationship between the van der Sloot residence and the Arashi Beach.
3. The official declarations of Joran, Deepak and Joran stating that Natalee was taken to the Arashi Beach/Lighthouse on the morning of May 30, 2005. (Joran later backtracked)
4. Beth Holloway's claim that she saw a declaration where Joran states that Natalee was taken to the van der Sloot residence and a sexual encounter occured. In her book Beth identifies Joran's June 13th suspect as the source.
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'The Abrams Report' for Sept. 14th
updated 9/15/2005 11:21:45 AM ET
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, I‘ve seen several of Joran‘s statements and I don‘t know why he was released. I hope that these statements were not withheld from evidence presented before the judge of instruction because they are hugely, hugely showing his involvement in this crime against Natalee. I mean he has her coming in and out of consciousness, repeatedly throughout his statements.
You know he admits to bringing her to his home and even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and has sex with her in his home.
You know, I just hope those statements made it before the judge of instruction.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9353948/
JORAN 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=175.0
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Reminder
Joran, Deepak and Satish were not the only ones suspected of involvement in wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway during the final moments of her life. Then there are others who were questioned time and time again.
Was there a pre-arranged gathering at the van der Sloot residence? At some point in time did one of the main suspects reveal the names of those present? Something akin to the June 10th confession ... was there a retraction?
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Suspects in the Natalee Holloway Case
Joran van der Sloot
6/2005
- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder
11/2008
- Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.
Deepak Kalpoe
6/2005
- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
8/2005
- Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.
11/2008
- Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.
Satish Kalpoe
6/2005
- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
8/2005
- Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.
11/2008
- Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.
Paulus van der Sloot
6/2005
- complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.
Steve Croes
6/2005
- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
4/2006
- criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance"of Natalee Holloway.
Guido Weaver:
4/2006
- Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen
Freddy Alexander Zedan Armbatzis
Nancy Grace - August 29, 2005
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Thank you very much for being with us, Beth. So much happening. What do you think this means, the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers, and what do you have to tell us tonight -- Beth.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: Well, Nancy, I would imagine that it means that they`ve gathered new evidence to warrant this re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers. And there`s no way you`re going to convince me that Freddy`s arrest is a coincidence. You know, I`ve seen his name surface throughout my documentation that I`ve been keeping since as early as June 15th ....
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.htm
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THE COVER UP
Its been documented
The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007
Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.
"We did everything we could in looking for her. There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.
http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809
A List of Reasons
'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.
They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/
Everybody Knows
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."
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