THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP (DOCUMENT)

[Tamikosmom]

If the following quotes are revealing the truth ... they imply that in June, 2008 ... Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer were about to expose ... without the knowledge of John Silvetti ... the ROV footage as proof that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been in that trap.

Obviously ... at this point in time ... Louis Schaefer has not yet sold the rights to the segments of ROV footage that imply Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in the trap.

Considering Beth Holloway was never contacted ... could it be that potential lawsuits against Louis Schaefer ... the owner of the boat ... were behind a decision not to proceed with the playing of the BIG CARD.

Think about it.  Those ... private and corporate ... who substantially donated to the Persistence endeavor ... substantially donated with the understanding that the only objective was to locate Natalee Holloway's remains in the name of justice for Natalee and closure for the family ...  would be asking the hard questions if the encompassing self-beneficial dynamics were realized.

1.  John Silvetti's conflict of interest - business opportunities in the region.
2.  Louis Schaefer's mapping of oil (?).

Janet

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ROV FOOTAGE - THE BIG CARD!

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - June 10/08:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.

Kyle Kingman - June 16/08:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg679597;topicseen#

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


JOHN SILVETTI - CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

[Tamikosmom]

Other than Joran's "confession" on the Range Rover recording ... Joran's "confession" where he states that he witnessed Natalee shaking ...  archives imply the rest of his words were all lies and ... those lies had the ability to:

1.  exonerate the Kalpoes.
2.  exonerate Paulus.
3.  exonerate the sons of the elite.
4.  negate the corrupt investigation.
5.  negate the witness and suspect statements.
6.  negate the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
7.  pacify the family of Natalee Holloway.
8.  close the Natalee Holloway case.
9.  negate the contents of the trap/cage.
10.  negate Joran's actual extent of wrongdoing.

[Tamikosmom]

The above outcomes of the Range Rover "confession" recording fit perfectly into the Aruban coverup agenda.  This is why I believe that the "fifth car trip" secret meeting in January involved Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be".  It was a collaboration intended to bring closure the the Natalee Holloway case with Joran vander Sloot taking the fall for disposal of a body which would warrant a slap on the wrist if anything ... while giving the family of Natalee a measure of closure..

Think about it.  The Aruban "powers the be" were in the know regarding the trap/cage.  Aruban divers had recovered the contents on January 1, 2008.  Damage control was where it was at .  The recovery had to be distanced ... disregarded.

Janet

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2008, 01:41:46 AM », 2008

Pauw & Witteman
Phone Interview (Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water, you glide her in the water.

Joran: Yes, that's what I said.

Translation - Marco@RU

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476


RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:  His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:  Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.


Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

I simply don't believe Natalee was disposed of that first night. I don't care if Joran claims that is what happened or not. Like you said, Joran told different stories to even Patrick. Yes, Natalee may have indeed had "seizures" that joran witnessed -- that DOESN'T mean those seizures happened on the beach or in the circumstances he told Patrick.

[Tamikosmom]

THE PERSISTENCE - RANGE ROVER CONNECTION?
I was a believer in the Range Rover confession for a short time following the Special but ... then I began to dissect Joran's claims one at a time and ... came to the conclusion when compared with the archives that ALL his words ...  other than the shaking ... were nothing but lies ... lies that conformed perfectly with the furthering the Aruban cover up agenda of deception.

[Tamikosmom]

If the following quote is taken into consideration ... logic dictates that Beth Holloway must have her doubts regarding the Range Rover confession recording in regards to Joran implying that Natalee's demise took place on the beach.

Janet

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CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00   ET

TED ROWLANDS, GUEST HOST: Tonight, Natalee Holloway's parents speak out. Now that the chief suspect in her disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot, has talked, nearly nine months after their beautiful daughter vanished in Aruba, Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, and her dad, Dave Holloway, talk about trying to keep hope alive. ....

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I think that was one of his excuses of why they stopped at his apartment. His apartment, by the way, is detached away from the main residence. And, you know, if you've got an individual that you're going to take advantage of, it's not likely that you're going to go to the beach. You're going to go to your apartment. And we believe that's where they stopped, and that's where the incident occurred.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

If Beth Holloway is a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal ... the betrayal that implies that her daughter's remains were afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy ... logic dictates that looking back she must have had some questions regarding aspects of the Range Rover "confession" of Joran van der Sloot ... aspects of the Range Rover "confession" that implies a trap/cage discovered by the Persistents was not case related.

Janet

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »

According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

 

[Tamikosmom]

Nobody should underestimate Beth Holloway's insight.  Beth's initial reaction to the preview of the Range Rover confession recording was the same as my reaction when I watched the Special.  It was not until sometime later that I realized that all was not how it first appeared.  It was not until later that I realized that the Range Rover confession and the trap/cage discovered by the Persistence did not equate.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

Peter R. DeVries: “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:“No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty: “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:“Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:“He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty: “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries: “It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty: “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:“To you.”

Beth Twitty: “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty: “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty: “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:“But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty: “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

[Tamikosmom]

If Kyle Kingman's words regarding network negotiations can be believed ... does the following quote imply that Louis Shaeffer was in the dark regarding the implication of the ROV footage up until the time that Kyle and Tim T. made the decision to benefit through the Networks.  It appears that bringing Shaeffer in on it all may have been the result of a technicality in regards to rights to the ROV footage.

IMO

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:    She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
 
The next step:

I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

[Tamikosmom]

I suspect that Marco's contact with Dave Holloway took place following the meeting which included the Detective, the Aruban "powers that be" and possibly Marco ... the meeting where the origins of the "false lead" were collaborated ... collaborated with the knowledge of John Silvetti.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman:   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica (Nicaragua) IIRC.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

[Tamikosmom]

Could it be that the Persistence endeavor was deceptively two fold from the getgo ... oil mapping and searching for Natalee Holloway's remains.  However ... it was not until the Dectective and (?) ... just prior to the sonar discovery ... entered the scenario that John S. sold out and ... he  became a participate in the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban coverup that had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?

The timing of the Dectective and (?) entering the scene and ... the sonar discovery of the crab/trap is so coincidental.

I suspect it was at this period in time that the false lead was collaborated ... a false lead that would divert Tim Miller and Dave Holloway's attention away from the trap/cage.  Somehow I suspect that Mark Purcell was a participant somewhere in the deception.

However ... I do not believe that the clarity of ROV dive of December 29th was anticipated in the planning of the false lead ... the ROV dive which clearly showed the contents of the cage/trap and ... convinced Tim Miller 100% that the contents of the cage/trap were Natalee Holloways remains.

Janet

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b]DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words[/b]

Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:   The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


GEROLD DOMPIG - SEARCH THE OCEAN

Corruption in Paradise

Page 167/168:  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.   The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.   He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...


FOX ONLINE - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2005

TIM MILLER: ... Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep" and we always thought about the water anyhow.

[Tamikosmom]

If Kyle Kingman's words regarding network negotiations can be believed ... does the following quote imply that Louis Shaeffer was in the dark regarding the implication of the ROV footage up until the time that Kyle and Tim T. made the decision to benefit through the Networks.  It appears that bringing Shaeffer in on it all may have been the result of a technicality in regards to rights to the ROV footage.

IMO

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:    She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
 
The next step:

I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

IF Kyle Kingman's words regarding exposing the "conspiracy" reflects the truth ... it appears that Louis S. complied.

How in the world was Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer planning on keeping all of this from John Silvetti?

Janet

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ROV FOOTAGE - THE BIG CARD!

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - June 10/08:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.

Kyle Kingman - June 16/08:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg679597;topicseen#

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

[Tamikosmom]

Beth trusts Peter deVries.

Are you sure?

Hi Kermit.

 

Janet

100%

[Tamikosmom]

THE RANGE ROVER - PERSISTENCE CONNECTION

IF the Range Rover confession was a collaboration between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" in regards to the "fifth car trip" ... I contend that one of the projected outcomes would have been to distance the January 1, 2008 recovery of the contents of the trap/cage by the Aruban divers.   In other words ...  dID Peter Devries  become part of the cover up.

Another projected outcome would be to distance Paulus and the Kalpoes from direct implication in the events that encompass the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

All three of above projected outcomes were accomplished.

[Tamikosmom]

TEXAS EQUUASEARCH - JOHN SILVETTI CONNECTION

Evidence Search Suspended
Posted on 11. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles

10/12/09 — We would like to thank all of our volunteers who came out and participated in the evidence search last week. Additionally, we want to thank our Florida members who made the trip for the search and additional training. It was a pleasure to have all of them in Texas.

We would like to extend special thanks to Love’s Marina in Crosby, Texas for providing our team a place to set up our command center for the week.

Special thanks go to the following companies for donating their resources and employees for the search:

RP Flight Systems

The Silvetti Group of Companies

Moffitt Customized Fueling

Hal Newsom’s Airboat Tours

Team Watters

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/evidence-search/

Credit: texasmom

[Tamikosmom]

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/message-from-tim-miller/#comments

Message from Tim Miller

Posted on 15. Oct, 2009 by smckinney in Featured Articles

I would like to address some of the comments made by “so-called” experts about Texas EquuSearch in recent weeks. First of all, we have the most valuable members/volunteers of any organization in existence. Occasionally, we have had to do things which are not the “normal” for a search organization. Case in point, Misty Cummings – I made the decision to help Misty get away from a very volatile situation. She was in danger for her life, and I felt that if something happened to Misty, we would lose any chance of finding Haleigh. That is ALL this was about. So, I enlisted the help of one of our volunteers who had befriended Misty during our time in Satsuma, Donna Brock. Donna did a wonderful job in keeping Misty safe and, until the “road rage” incident, was doing so under the radar. This was not about media attention. Again, as I have said many times, I will use whatever resources that are at my disposal to find Haleigh.
At the time of this posting, I am on my way to another search. Before I go, I am on my way to deposit a small check I received from a construction job I did, into the Texas EquuSearch account so that we can help another family. (See copy below.)

We were able to help bring closure to another family yesterday with the help of some hard working Texas EquuSearch members, along with the help of the local community who so willingly helped us because of the work we have done and continue to do.

I would invite any person who sits, wearing a suit on television, to come and put your jeans and boots on and join us on a real search. I wonder who our “so-called experts” are.

I would like to quote Abraham Lincoln:

If I tried to read, much less answer all the criticisms made of me, and all the attacks leveled against me, this office would have to be closed for all other business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I know how, the very best I can, I mean to keep on doing this down to the very end.

A. Lincoln

Credit: texasmom

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE TARP

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  07-Jan we dove on the trap with Aruban divers and our ROV recording the dive. They found the piece of blue tarp and blue denim-like fabric, and other things I can't identify.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.


THE FABRIC

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingsman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


REMINDER

THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER

TIM MILLER

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true ...

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net