Caylee Marie Anthony #114 3/06/09 - 3/12/09

[klaasend]

From the IM messages June 10, 2008 between Tony and Casey...just a couple of pages:

[Hudsunn]

Very good questions, always1, and I would have to say my feelings are pure speculation, since I cannot possibly know.  My gut feeling tells me that Caylee started to cry to go home to grandma, which is the last thing Casey would want to hear.  I think she left the home in anger, and she has stated to several friends that her mom was too close to Caylee and vice-versa.  Casey had a real dilemma.  She was not happy as a mom who lived with her parents, but she did not want to give Caylee to Cindy, either.  She and Cindy had a competition going, and Casey did not want to let her mother "win" the competition.  Giving her custody of Caylee would have been to admit that she (Casey) was not a good mother and that Cindy was the winner.  Casey left to "bond" with Caylee and to punish Cindy, but she had no money of her own, no job and nowhere to live, except bumming from friends and boyfriends.  I think if Caylee started wanting to see Cindy, it would have made Casey angry and frustrated.  I think the tape around the mouth shows that she just wanted Casey to shut up...to shut up crying for Cindy, to shut up asking to go home, to shut up saying that she wanted her grandmother.  I can envision Casey winding the tape around Caylee's mouth as an "I'll teach you to cry for your grandmother.  I am your mother.  Not her.  You will shut up and do what I say."  Tape or gags are always ways to keep a person quiet, not necessarily to kill them.  Sometimes the victim is killed by a gag or taping but most often that is not the purpose.  It is very symbolic, I think, for a person to be gagged or taped.  Sometimes it is done even when there is little chance of anyone else hearing the victim scream.  The perp just does not want to hear anything the victim has to say.  The victim must be silenced.  (Pardon my amateur psychology here.)  It is possible the taping might have caused the death of Caylee as Caylee hyperventilated, perhaps vomited, or could not breathe.  From what we have read, it was not just a little strip of tape across the mouth...it was a wrapping of the tape very strongly around the head and mouth.  To me, this denotes great anger and frustration in the perp.  Caylee was at the age when a child is often considered most difficult to handle...starting to assert herself in words and actions, not fully potty trained, able to do things that upset the parent and resist parental authority.  Casey was so angry and so frustrated and so out of control that it made for a very explosive situation.  I just know that Caylee would start to miss being at home with her toys and her grandparents.  It is natural that she would ask to go home or to see CiCi and JoJo.  And that would be fuel to Casey's fire.  I definitely think the tape was put on the mouth before death.  I don't know how Caylee died...perhaps strangulation or suffocation.  I am leaning less toward an overdose of some drug, though that is possible too.  Maybe she was given meds or drugs and then started to cry and fuss and Casey taped her mouth and the combination of those two acts caused the death.  Just my feelings about the case---nothing more.

[ChihuahuaMom]

I wonder why he "picked" on her all the time? Taking "jabs" at her, and her taking it too. He picked on her like she was his little sister.

[Desdemona]

Hi Monkeys!

Desi is at work, so I'm just popping in here and there. If no one has seen this, it will be a

Bombshell...

IM's between Casey and Tony, May and June. 
June 10 Casey tells him she will have the house to herself in 3 days; her parents will be "moving out" by then.
  This is the same time frame she was shining Amy on about moving in.

She also says that Caylee is "passed the f*ck out."   

Whoa.     http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4770482/IM-History-with-L7Tone

Please please read if you have not seen these.  I'll check back in a bit.

Desi

WOW - I had not seen this!  Tidbits and Thoughts!
 
June10 
Sounds to me like his Hinky Meter was way up!  Kept saying he was coming over.  Her three more days and Caylee passed out (indeed eerie )
Like how she was going on the trip to Puerto Rico and how she was trying to make him jealous about Ricardo (June 10 IM)

June 12
Jules - one of her friends who she hangs out with at nanny's place!

So, her boss is Tom - she has worked with him for 4 years!  On June 12 she is coming back after 2 week vacation! LMAO.

casey tells him her and Amy( to get get car) going to Jville  casey tries to make him think he forgot - my favorite part: 
L7: I know what I have
caseyo: good
L7: and thats a lil sneakin bitch for a girlfriend     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Odd note - L7 calls her "Belle mia"  - and her tattoo - a beautiful life - Belle Vida! 

georgie and cindy must be proud of her blatant slutty talk.

Yep, Tony knew what he had, allright! 

[A_News_Junkie_Monkey]

The exchange between Casey and Tony via instant messaging or texting is interesting.  I thought the most telling part was that Tony wanted to go over to her house and kept saying he was going to, and she told him it would be a problem due to her parents, even if she stepped outside to talk to him for a while, and certainly if he spent the night.  Casey wanted her freedom but she was still very dependent on her parents and she must have felt a lot of frustration.  She also said she still had some "respect" for them, but I think she meant that they would get mad and she was after all living in their house, so she had to obey them.  Tony was putting a lot of pressure on her, whether he realized it or not.  As for her saying the parents would be out of the house soon, I have felt for a long time that she wanted to get rid of them and take over the house, as she described to Amy.  She really wanted her parents out of the picture as much as she wanted Caylee out of the picture, maybe more.  But when things really got to her and she had her meltdown, it was Caylee who got killed.

let's say she did get the house...she would lose it because w/out a job, how would she make the note and pay the utlities and the insurance? I'm sure she never thought that far in advance

It would be interesting to know if george and cindy had a life insurance policy with casey as the beneficiary. ........... and if casey knew that.  I have always felt they were all goners - just didn't happen as she planned.  Wonder if she explored how to make a water heater or furnace leak CO2 or anything. Or if she was gonna use the CF on them all as they slept and stage a robbery (hellzzzzzz, we know she had talents in that area!)

[Hudsunn]

Chihuahua, you are right that Casey did not think things through.  But it is possible she planned to use Amy as some form of support.  Amy had a job.  Casey may also have figured that she could sell off things in the house and even get some money from her parents' "estate," small though it may have been or from her grandparents.  I think she was just desperate to get out from under their thumbs and wanted the easy was out, not going back to school and working for her freedom.

[ChihuahuaMom]

ITA Hud, she Had Amy and she could have moved friends in to help with the bills. However, I don't think KC had the skills to manage a household.

EEk, how morbid, kill her parents in the house, then live there ewww

[Leroy]

 

[katiekatie2u]

Hi Monkeys!

Desi is at work, so I'm just popping in here and there. If no one has seen this, it will be a

Bombshell...

IM's between Casey and Tony, May and June. 
June 10 Casey tells him she will have the house to herself in 3 days; her parents will be "moving out" by then.
  This is the same time frame she was shining Amy on about moving in.

She also says that Caylee is "passed the f*ck out."   

Whoa.     http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4770482/IM-History-with-L7Tone

Sounds to me from reading it , that she was planning on killing her family to get the house. I dont get her mentality and rational. There isnt any ovious. One sick female!! caylee was the ultimate sacrifice!

Please please read if you have not seen these.  I'll check back in a bit.
So she probably got frustrated because caylee wasnt potty trained yet. I am assuming that she told tony she hope that caylee would be potty trained by this last birthday?
Desi

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funny, she is saying "her nanny" ...

[Hudsunn]

THE TAPE -- If Casey had been making some sort of statement by putting tape on Caylee after her death, a simple strip would have done the trick.  But the tape was wound around the head and mouth, which means it was meant to keep the child quiet, maybe even to smother her, and that it was done with some intensity and anger, not as an afterthought.  I doubt this was done in the bedroom of the home BEFORE Casey left with the child.  Caylee would have struggled and made some sounds.  It is possible to make humming sounds or groans even when the mouth is taped or gagged.  It is just not possible to form words.  Caylee may have died in the home, but not while the parents were there, at least in my opinion.  I think there was a struggle between Caylee and Casey, with crying, screaming, etc.  I also think that on some level, Casey cared for Caylee, or went through the motions of caring for Caylee, because she was told that she should care for her own child.  Most people say she was kind to Caylee and affectionate with her.  She either loved Caylee or thought she loved Caylee or thought she had to love Caylee.

The mention of her taking an MMPI is interesting, too.  That test is supposed to show various mental or emotional tendencies including pyschosis, narcissism, anti-socialism, etc. I think.  Does anyone know more about the test?  Of course, Casey may have been lying about the test, but it seems like a reasonable one to give to an inmate to find out if they have any obvious disorders.  I doubt they would tell her that "everything was all right" though.  They probably kept the results to themselves.

[always 1]

Thank you Klaasend, that tells me so much about the way Casey really felt about Caylee.

[Cappuccino]

I wonder why he "picked" on her all the time? Taking "jabs" at her, and her taking it too. He picked on her like she was his little sister.

She makes it so easy!  He didnt respect this relationship with a ho, what man would?   He had no intention of building a long term respectable relationship with her, certain other things that have come to light by his statements & his friends indicate that - the conversation seems to show he was already doubting things she said & wouldn't have been heartbroken if she dumped him, its almost as if he was taunting her to do so - cowards take this bass ackwards approach.   Her issues are certainly not his problem or as a result of something he did or said - Casey was already a walking timebomb of f'd up.

[katiekatie2u]

ITA Hud, she Had Amy and she could have moved friends in to help with the bills. However, I don't think KC had the skills to manage a household.

EEk, how morbid, kill her parents in the house, then live there ewww

well its not like it hasnt happened before.. casey reminds me of lizzie borden
she killed her father and step-mother.
lizzie borden gave her father 40 wacks and when she found out what she had done.
she gave her step-mother 41
something like that. anyways she lived in that house long after she got out until her death. reminds me of something casey would do wth all that pent up rage.

[Lovinlife]

 

[always 1]

There was a lady here who owned a day care center.  She taped a two year old boy's mouth shut because she got tired of him crying.  He died!!!  She is serving time now.

[Hudsunn]

Here is what wikipedia says about the MMPI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

[katiekatie2u]

ITA Hud, she Had Amy and she could have moved friends in to help with the bills. However, I don't think KC had the skills to manage a household.

EEk, how morbid, kill her parents in the house, then live there ewww

well its not like it hasnt happened before.. casey reminds me of lizzie borden
she killed her father and step-mother.
lizzie borden gave her father 40 wacks and when she found out what she had done.
she gave her step-mother 41
something like that. anyways she lived in that house long after she got out until her death. reminds me of something casey would do wth all that pent up rage.

I think tony messed with casey's head alot, he seemed to be like her, they loved to taunt eachother in a sick asinine way!! I dont realy care for him from reading about how he emotionaly messed with her head. I am not siding with casey but stop and think of all the sickos in her life that she dealthw ith mostly  her biggest .. thorne in her flesh .. her mother... than here comes  this guy she  was so crazy about that she  killed her daughter to be with him!!  and yet ended up alone. He didnt know the web of lies she constantly told. very little that came out of her mouth was true or clean!!

[Lovinlife]

Here is what wikipedia says about the MMPI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

I'm not following the MMPI thing~where did you read that?  Was it before or after her arrest? TIA, Lovin

[always 1]

Tony should bear some of this guilt of this crime.  Not prison time, but he should feel terribly guilty in making Casey love him (that is not the right word) so much she would give up her child for him, and her freedom.  There is a story in the Bible about when you put things in front of God, these things can be taken from you......  Casey didnt love Tony, she only wanted what she couldnt have and she made the ultimate sacrifce for him.  That is just my opinion of course, but reading what Klaasend posted, that is very apparent.

[Sassycat]

I wonder why he "picked" on her all the time? Taking "jabs" at her, and her taking it too. He picked on her like she was his little sister.

She makes it so easy!  He didnt respect this relationship with a ho, what man would?   He had no intention of building a long term respectable relationship with her, certain other things that have come to light by his statements & his friends indicate that - the conversation seems to show he was already doubting things she said & wouldn't have been heartbroken if she dumped him, its almost as if he was taunting her to do so - cowards take this bass ackwards approach.   Her issues are certainly not his problem or as a result of something he did or said - Casey was already a walking timebomb of f'd up.

Right.  I have daughters this age, and their guy friends hang out at my house a lot.   IMO, Tony never promised her anything.  She was just a piece of azz to him - and she was happy to accommodate him.   He also seems selfish and immature - like a lot of young men 21 years old.