Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 - 3/12/09

[Anna]

No one drained that "pond" as it is not really even a pond but a storm sewer!

It just dries up like that when there is no rainfall.  All locals would know this, too.  Not a good place to hide anything.

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Right!

I do believe it was CAPS who was telling SM that the pond was drained/was being drained.

Kyle was hearing that from someone as well - with contradictory (and correct) information from Silvetti.

Although - it appears Kyle was only hearing portions of the correct information from Silvetti.

He was and you can imagine how my posts stating it just dired up were received at the time!  Of course, I had to be the biggest of liars so as to discredit me and support a couple of favorite theories held by some.

But that did not change the facts of the matter that it just dries up and often, too, so why would any local use it for hiding I don't understand.

Also by Silvetti saying a search was being done by "others" do you suppose he was just going to take the word of those searching for Jose Tromp that there was nothing there and never really planned to do a search of his own?

That's confusing.

I agree - no local (Paulus) would be stupid enough to put anything in that pond - knowing it dries up regularly.

It was dry twice between June 2005 and Feb 2008 (that we know of).

I personally feel that Silvetti was at that pond at that time.  To actually search it?  Probably not.  The "by others" he told Kyle about, IMO, was likely himself.  And maybe a Monkey and his "witness"?

Remember Caps posted that he was going to fle down to Aruba so he may not be local enough to realize everybody knows it dries up from time to time or may not have known that himself.

Julia Renfro posted that she went out and looked at the dry storm sewer, LOL.  Maybe that was the search.

And Mos said that nothing in the "witness" statement connected Joran to the pond as he could have got his clothing wet anywhere.  Not the best of plans, IMO.

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[jen3560]

Can someone take a stab at translating this?  It's in Papi

Letter to Prime Minister (Harbor)
February 2009

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/39Letter%20to%20Prime%20Minister%20Feb%2002,%202009.pdf

And these are in Dutch:

Attachments Letter to President of Parliament (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/41Bijlagen%20Brief%20Fractievoorzitter%20December%209,%202008.pdf

Request Meeting with Minister T&T nr. 2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/44Letter%20to%20Minister%20T&T%2011%20December,%202008.pdf

Letter to President of Parliament Nr.2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/53Letter%20to%20President%20Parliament%2018%20dec,%202008.pdf

[Anna]

Jen, I think when it says the project is "public tender" it means it is tax funded.  Apparently, bids are made in secret?

[jen3560]

Jen, I think when it says the project is "public tender" it means it is tax funded.  Apparently, bids are made in secret?

Mmmmm, I'd have to look at their website again - but I believe it detailed the differences between a public and a private tender of project bids for competitive purposes.

[Anna]

Jen, I think when it says the project is "public tender" it means it is tax funded.  Apparently, bids are made in secret?

Mmmmm, I'd have to look at their website again - but I believe it detailed
 the differences between a public and a private tender of project bids for competitive purposes.

I guess my thinking on that would be if a project is tax funded, it should be public bids as the taxpayers normally have the right to know how their money is being spent.

But then this is Aruba and so that may not apply.


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[nonesuche]

Jen, I think when it says the project is "public tender" it means it is tax funded.  Apparently, bids are made in secret?

Mmmmm, I'd have to look at their website again - but I believe it detailed
 the differences between a public and a private tender of project bids for competitive purposes.

I guess my thinking on that would be if a project is tax funded, it should be public bids as the taxpayers normally have the right to know how their money is being spent.

But then this is Aruba and so that may not apply.


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If Paulus was over "contracts" for Aruba, would that role be a clearinghouse or pass through for bid process as well?

[Anna]

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[jen3560]

Jen, I think when it says the project is "public tender" it means it is tax funded.  Apparently, bids are made in secret?

Mmmmm, I'd have to look at their website again - but I believe it detailed
 the differences between a public and a private tender of project bids for competitive purposes.

I guess my thinking on that would be if a project is tax funded, it should be public bids as the taxpayers normally have the right to know how their money is being spent.

But then this is Aruba and so that may not apply.


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Here it is Anna - tell me what you think.

http://www.mtbs.nl/assignment/transaction_advisor_barcadera_port

Netherlands Antilles
2008-2009
mtbs was hired as a transaction advisor by the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba to assist the Aruba government by implementing 4 port related investments. The investments concerned a cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. Legal and PPP advise was provided and several strategic scenario's were developed of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
In the second phase mtbs is responsible for implementing the transaction through a competitive tender process.

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Thank you, Hotping!

 

[nonesuche]

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I need to save that one Anna ! It's a goody!

I also realize Paulus is no longer over contracts but that's how we learned that role exists within the Aruban system, I didn't mean to imply he still is in that role.

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Thank you, Hotping!

 

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[Anna]

Jen, you are ten times more familiar with this sort of document than I am.  I just think the Aruban one should be public because of it being public authority/tax funded.  Sure seems rather secretive for a public authority, IMO.

Transaction (Public)
From the perspective of a public authority, the transaction proces involves determining and designing the transaction strategy, the preparation and execution of the tender process and the concession and contract negotiation with the private bidders. MTBS is highly experienced in supporting public authorities in all of these stages.

Due to mtbs' unique combination of sector expertise and experience in the maritime and transport sector and the high standard of our financial, transaction and PPP competences, we offer the highest quality service available to public authorities, not in the least because of our transaction advice experience for private clients.

Transaction (Private)
From the perspective of a private investor, a transaction matching the strategic goals of the company requires a sound  preparation and evaluation of the tender process, an optimal bidding strategy and a strong negotiation of the concession contract. MTBS is highly experienced in supporting private investors in all of these stages.

Due to mtbs' unique combination of sector expertise and experience in the maritime and transport sector and the high standard of our financial, transaction and PPP competences, we offer the highest quality service available to private investors, not in the least because of our transaction advice experience for public autorities.

Transaction Advisor Barcadera Port
Netherlands Antilles
2008-2009
mtbs was hired as a transaction advisor by the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba to assist the Aruba government by implementing 4 port related investments. The investments concerned a cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. Legal and PPP advise was provided and several strategic scenario's were developed of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
In the second phase mtbs is responsible for implementing the transaction through a competitive tender process.


http://www.mtbs.nl/assignment/transaction_advisor_barcadera_port

[Tamikosmom]

Again wondering WHEN the meeting between Silvetti and ATA/AHATA (ie Breisen) took place........

jen ... I am curious about that too.  The ATA/AHATA have been part of the misinformation campaign from the getgo to distance Paulus and Joran from implication in the events that encompass the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and ... perserve the image of "One Happy Island".

What leads Dave Holloway to believe that this ministry would support any endeavor that just may reveal the truth encompassing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for his daughter?  Mark Purcell?

Janet

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jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets.  Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 158:  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


The Strategic Communications Task Force
June, 2005

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary.  The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba."

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm


Thursday, March 8, 2007
TASK FORCE FUELED NEGATIVE POSTINGS

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/03/task-force-fueled-negative-postings.html

[Anna]

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I need to save that one Anna ! It's a goody!

I also realize Paulus is no longer over contracts but that's how we learned that role exists within the Aruban system, I didn't mean to imply he still is in that role.

But don't you know he wishes he was still in charge with all these huge contracts being let for bid!

I wonder who writes the government contracts now?  In this case, it would seem the Spanish company is now in charge of all the port bidding.  Will they also be allowed to write the final contracts I wonder.


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[jen3560]

Anna - you are correct, they list the Barcadera port as being a "public" transaction.

To my understanding, that also means that details of the transaction should be made public.

But..............who knows?

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Thank you, Hotping!

 

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Thank you, Hotping!

 

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[jen3560]

Janet - I'm just as baffled by that action of Dave's as you are. 

None - I would have to presume that the office Paulus once held would be the one to write up these contracts.  No clue who occupies that position at this point in time.