Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 - 3/12/09

[texasmom]

sorry for the o/t

2NJ, will you please delete my post #9 over in Blonde's thread?...my image didn't work so I reposted it

TIA

DONE

Thank you!   

[Blue Moon]

Good afternoon Monkey's just got caught up!Checkin in to let you know the daughter had a temp. of 103 yesterday.She's doing better today at 99.6.Guess what??My Temp. is 101.5.. Trying to get some rest so will check back in from time to time...

                             GOD BLESS BLONDE AND FAMILY

Sorry you are sick KTF.  Magnolia recomends Chicken Soup and TLC.

Mags, you need to knit him something to help it. 

[Lifesong]

Get Well Soon, KTF!

[MuffyBee]

Get well soon, KTF    Get well soon, KTF  Get well soon, KTF Get well soon, KTF

[2NJSons_Mom]

Can someone take a stab at translating this?  It's in Papi

Letter to Prime Minister (Harbor)
February 2009

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/39Letter%20to%20Prime%20Minister%20Feb%2002,%202009.pdf

And these are in Dutch:

Attachments Letter to President of Parliament (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/41Bijlagen%20Brief%20Fractievoorzitter%20December%209,%202008.pdf

Request Meeting with Minister T&T nr. 2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/44Letter%20to%20Minister%20T&T%2011%20December,%202008.pdf

Letter to President of Parliament Nr.2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/53Letter%20to%20President%20Parliament%2018%20dec,%202008.pdf

Didn't overlook or forget about these.  Pap translator is the worst and I didn't attempt it.  Maybe someone else will.

I found out that if you have a Google account, you can upload pdfs to Google documents and then translate to English.  (I don't have one but am hoping someone else does, so I don't have to sign up...  )

[Sam]

Just here to say , I am still praying for Justice for Natalee and her family and loved ones.

Sam

[klaasend]

Can someone take a stab at translating this?  It's in Papi

Letter to Prime Minister (Harbor)
February 2009

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/39Letter%20to%20Prime%20Minister%20Feb%2002,%202009.pdf

And these are in Dutch:

Attachments Letter to President of Parliament (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/41Bijlagen%20Brief%20Fractievoorzitter%20December%209,%202008.pdf

Request Meeting with Minister T&T nr. 2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/44Letter%20to%20Minister%20T&T%2011%20December,%202008.pdf

Letter to President of Parliament Nr.2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/53Letter%20to%20President%20Parliament%2018%20dec,%202008.pdf

Didn't overlook or forget about these.  Pap translator is the worst and I didn't attempt it.  Maybe someone else will.

I found out that if you have a Google account, you can upload pdfs to Google documents and then translate to English.  (I don't have one but am hoping someone else does, so I don't have to sign up...  )

May have already been posted but a couple of these are in English:

http://www.atiaruba.org/open_letters.html

[hotping]

Interesting Reading...

http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_ind.nsf/e1bf50c09a33d3dc482564840019d2f4/b9fdbbac33ce0c4048256dda0013b3f2?OpenDocument

[hotping]

Hey KTF.....I hope You are feeling better.....follow Magnolia's advice and do the Chicken Soup!   

[Magnolia]

I am slow on the uptake, but it just occured to me why Silvetti brought Caps into
the equation.

They were scanning that pond area to see if it would hold the pilings for the
new 5 Star hotel and needed a reason to scan.  It makes a difference what
kind of soil is beneanth the muck.  Anything that is more than two stories
has to be set on pilings.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53731.php

Google translation:

Oduber talks with Dutch Prime Minister on VNO message
March 10, 2009, 16:32 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber leaving tomorrow to the Netherlands where he will have a conversation with Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende. It suggests he is the controversial issue of VNO-week raised the issue in early February uitlekte and the result for the current relationship between the two countries Oduber 'precarious' calls.

The Prime Minister says an open discussion with Balkenende about how we would deal with each other within the Kingdom. "That must be based on respect. It is unacceptable what VNO - as I said earlier: the house gossip - did. Netherlands there are conclusions. That they do have people here that they have gespioneerd. "Oduber said the Dutch gossip network 'here in Aruba have to know where he also politicians of the opposition ranks in his eyes have become of their country." "I do this already appeal to Balkenende. This kind of gossip is not only an attack on the intelligence of Aruba and the government. They have been provided by traitors who want nothing less than the black government. "

Decommissioning
Oduber wants in the Netherlands also rijkswet on the new structure of the judicial / legal power to make. "We want justice kingdom wide plan. But it seems as if the Netherlands commode for this responsibility away. This may be based on Article 38 of the Statute or in other ways, depending on what the Netherlands our moves. "
The Prime Minister emphasized again that Aruba working on the incorporation of St. Maarten, Curaçao and the BES are directly under Dutch rule. "Provided this is not at the expense of our autonomy is. I am surprised that the Netherlands does not appear to be more support for a separate status for St. Maarten. I thought that the Netherlands always deal is a deal, but that is now withdrawn. "

Oduber also to the Netherlands to discuss the progress in the Aruban immigration policy. Minister of Immigration Booshi Wever travel tomorrow with the Minister-President. Both ministers will then Arubadag in Leiden attend Sunday takes place. "I tried to do, but I have not been very long. For seven years more ", said Oduber. He calls the Arubans in the Netherlands on "the good name that Aruba still has to be retained. "Work and study well and be a citizen."

[Sleuth]

For the Frog......
Aureen Werleman’s position is  “REDACTOR Cordinativo” on the Diario staff
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/staff/

[klaasend]

For the Frog......
Aureen Werleman’s position is  “REDACTOR Cordinativo” on the Diario staff
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/staff/

Spanish translation is:  EDITOR Coordinator

[Anna]

For the Frog......
Aureen Werleman’s position is  “REDACTOR Cordinativo” on the Diario staff
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/staff/

Spanish translation is:  EDITOR Coordinator

I never understood why Kyle Kingman needed so desperately to know who Destiny's contact was.  Why did he need this information and what did it matter to him?

Was he concerned it was Eduardo Mansur perhaps?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Can someone take a stab at translating this?  It's in Papi

Letter to Prime Minister (Harbor)
February 2009

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/39Letter%20to%20Prime%20Minister%20Feb%2002,%202009.pdf

And these are in Dutch:

Attachments Letter to President of Parliament (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/41Bijlagen%20Brief%20Fractievoorzitter%20December%209,%202008.pdf

Request Meeting with Minister T&T nr. 2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/44Letter%20to%20Minister%20T&T%2011%20December,%202008.pdf

Letter to President of Parliament Nr.2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/53Letter%20to%20President%20Parliament%2018%20dec,%202008.pdf

Didn't overlook or forget about these.  Pap translator is the worst and I didn't attempt it.  Maybe someone else will.

I found out that if you have a Google account, you can upload pdfs to Google documents and then translate to English.  (I don't have one but am hoping someone else does, so I don't have to sign up...  )

May have already been posted but a couple of these are in English:

http://www.atiaruba.org/open_letters.html

Thanks, Klaas.  I didn't know where they originated.....can't shine your shoes.   

[Anna]

O/T

Gunman, 9 Others Killed in Alabama Rampage

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,508507,00.html

No idea what this is all about but sounds horrible.

[San]

Posted by SunFreak at GM:



SAN'S ANSWER:  DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH

Edited it to change color to a nice shade of Kermit green 

[wreck]

Posted by SunFreak at GM:



SAN'S ANSWER:  DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH

Edited it to change color to a nice shade of Kermit green 

The words pathetic, laughable and wrong come to mind. = Klaasend

[billb's daughter]

Posted by SunFreak at GM:



SAN'S ANSWER:  DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH

Edited it to change color to a nice shade of Kermit green 

I just can't imagine how anyone can read Kyle's own posts and think that Kermit is the bad guy. I have never read over at these new sites where some monkeys have felt it necessary to move too, but from the posts captured over there and brought here, I can tell I would have no reason to go there.
Do these people discuss anything other than bashing? Do they have a serious thread going where they investigate scenarios in the name of Justice for Natalee?
Or is it all just bashing?
I don't get it!

[Tamikosmom]

For the Frog......
Aureen Werleman’s position is  “REDACTOR Cordinativo” on the Diario staff
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/staff/

Spanish translation is:  EDITOR Coordinator

I never understood why Kyle Kingman needed so desperately to know who Destiny's contact was.  Why did he need this information and what did it matter to him?

Was he concerned it was Eduardo Mansur perhaps?

Yup!

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage ... my thought process turns to questioning what was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence.  Could the “powers that be” have taken advantage of the trusted relationship that existed between Jossy Mansur and the family of Natalee Holloway?   Could the “powers that be” had assumed the motives of Eduard Mansur would not be questioned  or undermine?

One member of the crew, who held a professional position on board the Persistence, had his suspicions.  His name was Kyle Kingman.

IMO

Janet
________

JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???