Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 - 3/12/09

[Keepthefaith]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

[billb's daughter]

victim of another stack vacuum!  

ohhhhh well....I'll just do it again!


 

After catching up with today's posts, I would like to offer my hand to those that were stacking, stacting, stacking today......I have a meeting that I think you need to attend...

I hope they have coffee and donuts!   

Hi, my name is texasmom....and I'm a stackaholic!!!!   

Yes Texasmom...they have STACKS of coffee and donuts......

[Keepthefaith]

victim of another stack vacuum!  

ohhhhh well....I'll just do it again!


 

After catching up with today's posts, I would like to offer my hand to those that were stacking, stacting, stacking today......I have a meeting that I think you need to attend...

I hope they have coffee and donuts!   

Hi, my name is texasmom....and I'm a stackaholic!!!!   

Yes Texasmom...they have STACKS of coffee and donuts......

Donuts...I got sparkly cake at my house!

[Lifesong]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

                        

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     

                                               

[2NJSons_Mom]

Janet, just my opinion, you are fighting a losing battle with those people over there.  After reading what they are posting about Kermit I have written them totally off.  I hope you do too.  They are VILE and very angry sad people.  You are a much better person than them and you are talking to a brick wall with them.  It is sad.

You are right Blue Moon and ... I will not go there any more.

It just makes me so sad and betrayed that these prodical Monkeys ... not Refugees ... are allowing closure for the family of Natalee to take a back seat in favor of John Silvetti.  Kyle Kingman's own words are not being disputed but ... John Silvetti is being upheld nevertheless.

It just does not make sense.

 

Janet

It j

I've been thinking about everyone we've ever encountered here.  There have not been many involved in the search for Natalee that have posted here.  Sure, we know Red was there, Rob, BB, Hotshot, and perhaps others I am forgetting at the moment.  Then we had Tito...ugh...Jossy & Tim with Dana & perhaps a staffmember of Tim's who posted here early on.  Private Eye, family member....yes. & VietVet...

Right now, I'm thinking how strange it is that Kyle, John & his sister started posting on the forums.  Maybe it's just me, but if they were sincerely looking for Natalee, why use the forums as a platform to say 'look at me'?   It isn't making me feel warm and fuzzy toward them any more than I feel about those who have that thread at GM.   Maybe I'll change my mind if our Secretary of State registers and posts in the near future.....  

I agree full heartily 2NJSons_Mom...
John S. and Kyle were on the persistence, empowered by funds they and other solicited for the express purpose of bringing Justice for Natalee...
They ended the search under the ruse (mhoo) that they ran out of funds and are unable to dive the 100+ targets they value as worthy for Justice for Natalee....
But instead of going forward organizing the follow on search...they seem content to fuel the frenzy that Kermit is the bad guy (gal)...
I don't have a warm and fuzzy either that their hearts are there for "Justice for Natalee"...

Thanks, billb, for understanding what I was trying to express.  It just doesn't sit right with me. 

[texasmom]

victim of another stack vacuum!  

ohhhhh well....I'll just do it again!


 

After catching up with today's posts, I would like to offer my hand to those that were stacking, stacting, stacking today......I have a meeting that I think you need to attend...

I hope they have coffee and donuts!   

Hi, my name is texasmom....and I'm a stackaholic!!!!   

Yes Texasmom...they have STACKS of coffee and donuts......

Donuts...I got sparkly cake at my house!

Awwww just bring it to the meeting KTF, you know you have an assigned seat on the front row!    

[Keepthefaith]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

                        

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     

                                               

WTH ARE PEOPLE AT THESE OTHER FORUMS THINKING?READ THOSE TWO POSTS OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER AGAIN,AND AGAIN,AND AGAIN...YOU GETTING IT YET!!


                            GOD BLESS SCARED MONKEYS

[billb's daughter]

victim of another stack vacuum!  

ohhhhh well....I'll just do it again!


 

After catching up with today's posts, I would like to offer my hand to those that were stacking, stacting, stacking today......I have a meeting that I think you need to attend...

I hope they have coffee and donuts!   

Hi, my name is texasmom....and I'm a stackaholic!!!!   

Yes Texasmom...they have STACKS of coffee and donuts......

Donuts...I got sparkly cake at my house!

Awwww just bring it to the meeting KTF, you know you have an assigned seat on the front row!    

KTF is the guest speaker!!
I get dissy when I try cartwheels..
Dizzy...see what i mean...

[Keepthefaith]

victim of another stack vacuum!  

ohhhhh well....I'll just do it again!


 

After catching up with today's posts, I would like to offer my hand to those that were stacking, stacting, stacking today......I have a meeting that I think you need to attend...

I hope they have coffee and donuts!   

Hi, my name is texasmom....and I'm a stackaholic!!!!   

Yes Texasmom...they have STACKS of coffee and donuts......

Donuts...I got sparkly cake at my house!

Awwww just bring it to the meeting KTF, you know you have an assigned seat on the front row!    

You know i got my seat!Anytime BILLB starts bullsh_tten and i think a relapse is coming,i open the laptop and let him have at it.Let BILLB start STACKIN Right in the middle of the meeting!

[billb's daughter]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

                        

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     

                                               

WTH ARE PEOPLE AT THESE OTHER FORUMS THINKING?READ THOSE TWO POSTS OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER AGAIN,AND AGAIN,AND AGAIN...YOU GETTING IT YET!!


                            GOD BLESS SCARED MONKEYS

KTF...I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they ARE reading them over and over again....
What is truly revealing though...
IS THAT THEY CAN'T BACK UP ANYTHING THEY PROPOSE....
Are they promoting JUSTICE FOR NATALEE??? MHOO.....NO

[2NJSons_Mom]

G'nite, all.  I take no responsibility for any stack business until I return. 

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

[Keepthefaith]

G'nite, all.  I take no responsibility for any stack business until I return. 

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

Goodnight 2nj!

[Kermit]

Kermit,

The way I read this, Silvetti only owns the US company in the GeoLab group, that US arm being GeoLab, LLC.  Does he own all of them?

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html  (see Item 2)

GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.


The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC[/u]
<snip>
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies[/u]; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd.(UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2

.

[billb's daughter]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

                        

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     

                                               

On a serious note..I am extremely saddened to think that bad people are trying to suck Dave's funds dry while saying they are searching for Natalee.
IMHOO, I think that is the end result of Louis S, John S, Tim T, and Kyle K efforts wrt the persistence seach. I hope it doesn't happen again...

[Keepthefaith]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

                        

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     

                                               

WTH ARE PEOPLE AT THESE OTHER FORUMS THINKING?READ THOSE TWO POSTS OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER AGAIN,AND AGAIN,AND AGAIN...YOU GETTING IT YET!!


                            GOD BLESS SCARED MONKEYS

KTF...I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they ARE reading them over and over again....
What is truly revealing though...
IS THAT THEY CAN'T BACK UP ANYTHING THEY PROPOSE....
Are they promoting JUSTICE FOR NATALEE??? MHOO.....NO

AS WE SAY UP IN THE BACKWOODS OF WASHINGTON!HELL NO!JMOO

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, just my opinion, you are fighting a losing battle with those people over there.  After reading what they are posting about Kermit I have written them totally off.  I hope you do too.  They are VILE and very angry sad people.  You are a much better person than them and you are talking to a brick wall with them.  It is sad.

You are right Blue Moon and ... I will not go there any more.

It just makes me so sad and betrayed that these prodical Monkeys ... not Refugees ... are allowing closure for the family of Natalee to take a back seat in favor of John Silvetti.  Kyle Kingman's own words are not being disputed but ... John Silvetti is being upheld nevertheless.

It just does not make sense.

 

Janet

It j

I've been thinking about everyone we've ever encountered here.  There have not been many involved in the search for Natalee that have posted here.  Sure, we know Red was there, Rob, BB, Hotshot, and perhaps others I am forgetting at the moment.  Then we had Tito...ugh...Jossy & Tim with Dana & perhaps a staffmember of Tim's who posted here early on.  Private Eye, family member....yes. & VietVet...

Right now, I'm thinking how strange it is that Kyle, John & his sister started posting on the forums.  Maybe it's just me, but if they were sincerely looking for Natalee, why use the forums as a platform to say 'look at me'?   It isn't making me feel warm and fuzzy toward them any more than I feel about those who have that thread at GM.   Maybe I'll change my mind if our Secretary of State registers and posts in the near future.....  

I agree full heartily 2NJSons_Mom...
John S. and Kyle were on the persistence, empowered by funds they and other solicited for the express purpose of bringing Justice for Natalee...
They ended the search under the ruse (mhoo) that they ran out of funds and are unable to dive the 100+ targets they value as worthy for Justice for Natalee....
But instead of going forward organizing the follow on search...they seem content to fuel the frenzy that Kermit is the bad guy (gal)...
I don't have a warm and fuzzy either that their hearts are there for "Justice for Natalee"...

In regards to Kyle Kingman ... I disagree.  His own words posted at the Natalee's Freebirds' site imply that he was deeply troubled in regards to what appeared to be John Silvetti's disinterest in the trap prior to the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive.

Kyle Kingman sent images from the December 29, 2007 ROV dive to the FBI.  Then he made contact with the Natalee's Freebirds' administrator for assistance in compiling unrevealed ROV images as well as a first hand account of his concerns regarding the chain of custody that involved only the Arubans.  His intention was to present a  documented account of the Persistence betrayal to both Beth Holloway and the FBI.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle must have been offered an incentive by John Silvetti for his silence and ... at that point he began backtracking ... distancing himself from the document put together with the assistance of the Natalee's Freebirds.

However ... confidentiality agreement or no confidentiality agreement ... the Natalee's Freebirds whose reason for existence was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway were not going to let Kyle Kingman's own words ... which revealed John Silvetti's participation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... to remain hidden on the private site.  In other words ... the Natalee's Freebirds were not about to participants in another coverup that was denying closure to the family.

The Natalee's Freebirds were threaten by Kyle Kingman with litigation if they revealed his postings.

However ... the Natalee's Freebirds were not detered.  They informed the FBI, Beth Holloway and John Kelly.  Then permission was received from Beth Holloway prior to Kermit posting Kyle Kingman's own words on the SM site.

Janet

+++++++

[Anna]

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

                        

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day    

                                               

I don't believe there is another search planned at this time.  I wonder who started that rumor?  Did they forget to tell Natalee's parents?


Anyone who is A OK with Aruban LE being given the exclusive rights to the contents of any trap suspected of containing remains that could well be Natalee's is not looking for justice but encouraging further injustice.

On the front cover of Dave Holloway's book it says "Corruption in Paradise" so why do you suppose he would say that if he thought they should have sole possession of what could be Natalee's remains?  I don't think he had a clue they were going to do that beforehand.  Apparently, neither did Kyle.  So who gave the OK?  Seems Silvetti would be the one to have done that.

[Keepthefaith]

Keepthefaith, billb, wreck, Lifesong, Magnolia, snoopy, hotping, Kermit, 2NJSons_Mom, Monkey Mia

Come on down..Your never to late for the party....

[Tamikosmom]

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

[Kermit]

Kyle said: I don’t know why Destiny is being fed information. I also don’t know why Clyde Burke is leaking information to Caps, or Cap’s role in all this.