Haleigh Marie Cummings #7 3/14/09 - 3/18/09

[islandmonkey]

Fibsty did talk about a recent interview when she refused to talk with an investigator in the case. 

"There was a new guy that was new to the case and I didn't feel comfortable with him," Fibsty said. "He was being rude, like yelling, pretty much telling me I was a liar." 

HMMMMM~can't imagine what gave them that impression

IM do you know when MoRon got custody?

The first time I don't have any info on that, but IIRC the re-hearing was Dec 27, 2005

thank you I didnt see the documents so I wasnt sure.  That would put Haleigh around 3 and butterbean was a baby I guess right?

I think Haleigh was 2 and butterbean was about 9 months old at the re-hearing.

So think about it his family probably did help out a lot with the kids for the first few years.  And then he hooked up with different 17 or 16 yr olds (like Amber)for a while til recently he met Misty.  While he was picking up or visiting with Jordan.  Not sure why Jordan hasnt really been mentioned in all this.  But if that is how he met Fibsty then I am sure his parents had been watching that child (jordan)on weekend visits too.  I could see how CS would think he has been a good father all this time but really it has been his mother who has been caring for Haleigh and Jr until recently.  Maybe that is why TN was having someone go and check on the kids like GGM the night Haleigh went missing. 

From what I've heard, I don't think he sees Jordan, and i won't go into it here as it could be very hurtful to Amber, but in the re-hearing custody doc's he stated that his mom, aunt  and ggma would watch Haleigh and butterbean while he worked the night shift at another company.

[jules3699]

Fibsty did talk about a recent interview when she refused to talk with an investigator in the case. 

"There was a new guy that was new to the case and I didn't feel comfortable with him," Fibsty said. "He was being rude, like yelling, pretty much telling me I was a liar." 

HMMMMM~can't imagine what gave them that impression

IM do you know when MoRon got custody?

The first time I don't have any info on that, but IIRC the re-hearing was Dec 27, 2005

thank you I didnt see the documents so I wasnt sure.  That would put Haleigh around 3 and butterbean was a baby I guess right?

I think Haleigh was 2 and butterbean was about 9 months old at the re-hearing.

So think about it his family probably did help out a lot with the kids for the first few years.  And then he hooked up with different 17 or 16 yr olds (like Amber)for a while til recently he met Misty.  While he was picking up or visiting with Jordan.  Not sure why Jordan hasnt really been mentioned in all this.  But if that is how he met Fibsty then I am sure his parents had been watching that child (jordan)on weekend visits too.  I could see how CS would think he has been a good father all this time but really it has been his mother who has been caring for Haleigh and Jr until recently.  Maybe that is why TN was having someone go and check on the kids like GGM the night Haleigh went missing. 

From what I've heard, I don't think he sees Jordan, and i won't go into it here as it could be very hurtful to Amber, but in the re-hearing custody doc's he stated that his mom, aunt  and ggma would watch Haleigh and butterbean while he worked the night shift at another company.

I had the understand from what I have read that the way Ron met Misty was thru Amber cause Misty was babysitting for Amber and ron came over....I sent you a request on yahoo the other night if you want you can talk to me there.

[Jerseygirl345]

I'd like to reply to the pister that wondered why Chrstal hadnt filed for custody of the kids till now.....Id like to say that first of all, she doesnt live in this town and doesnt know everything that transpired in the day to day actuivities of the children, second, she had already lost custody once abd by now we all know that this is more or less The cummings stomping grounds and with Moma Neves there to stand up in court with Ronald, do myou really think it would do her any good, if she went to court and said, uh  I want custody because a 17 year old is watching the children, do you not think Mother Neves wouldnt have stood up and said no she's not I do, do you not think anything she tried the Cummings family would have stood up in court and lied for Ronald,why of course they would!!!!!!!!  Now though everything is out in the open and she has proof of them staying with Mistie,she has proof that something could happen to the children in Ronalds care, and if this is what it took for me to think that I finally had a chance to get custody of my children.....whell hell I'd be all over it like white on rice too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, am sure hoping that you meant to type 'poster' rather than 'pister'.     Cuz am not sure what a pister is, and not sure I wanna ask.  Although, truth be told, I can be a 'pisser' at times.   

Am curious to know why, yes.  And the things you've said has crossed my mind too.  Sounds like the way I'd be feeling (at least in part) had it been me.   

And just so we don't get jumped on by some, let me hasten to say that we still don't know Ron's side of it.  Am sure I could come up with just as many thought-provoking things that just might be as true as those for Crystal. 

I hate not knowing factual info in this case!  grrrrrrrr

Ron's side of it is, Im gonna get my kids because I dont want Chrstal to leave and as long as I have the kids she will come back and I could use the child support money too just in case sells fall off, oh and Im the big guy in town and I get what I want CONTROL, its all about me,( well as long as Mommie has my back)   OK   Jump away.......but be careful I move quick!!!!!!!!!!

I agree! Good points! And custody battles are so expensive, trust me I know first hand about that from a custody battle with my ex- daughter-in-law over my grand daughter.   Just the retainer fee a lawyer would want up front is probably more than Crystal could scrape up.

It seems to me Crystal had to fight the whole Cummings family for the custody of the children.

The Cummings family keep referring the children as property they are not property but a gift.

And how dare the Cummings family keep on stating Fibsty will be their mommy. JMO

[islandmonkey]

Fibsty did talk about a recent interview when she refused to talk with an investigator in the case. 

"There was a new guy that was new to the case and I didn't feel comfortable with him," Fibsty said. "He was being rude, like yelling, pretty much telling me I was a liar." 

HMMMMM~can't imagine what gave them that impression

IM do you know when MoRon got custody?

The first time I don't have any info on that, but IIRC the re-hearing was Dec 27, 2005

thank you I didnt see the documents so I wasnt sure.  That would put Haleigh around 3 and butterbean was a baby I guess right?

I think Haleigh was 2 and butterbean was about 9 months old at the re-hearing.

So think about it his family probably did help out a lot with the kids for the first few years.  And then he hooked up with different 17 or 16 yr olds (like Amber)for a while til recently he met Misty.  While he was picking up or visiting with Jordan.  Not sure why Jordan hasnt really been mentioned in all this.  But if that is how he met Fibsty then I am sure his parents had been watching that child (jordan)on weekend visits too.  I could see how CS would think he has been a good father all this time but really it has been his mother who has been caring for Haleigh and Jr until recently.  Maybe that is why TN was having someone go and check on the kids like GGM the night Haleigh went missing. 

From what I've heard, I don't think he sees Jordan, and i won't go into it here as it could be very hurtful to Amber, but in the re-hearing custody doc's he stated that his mom, aunt  and ggma would watch Haleigh and butterbean while he worked the night shift at another company.

I had the understand from what I have read that the way Ron met Misty was thru Amber cause Misty was babysitting for Amber and ron came over....I sent you a request on yahoo the other night if you want you can talk to me there.

  You did~I have to fess up, I'm quite stoopid about myspace, facebook and IM's............was it on email? If not my toss away addy is pcolabeachmom@yahoo.com

[Anna]

I thought the biological mother Crystal was only 17 herself when Haleigh was born.  Seems odd that she would find a 17 year old objectionable for a five year old but herself OK for a newborn?

I could be wrong, but usually bio mothers have a stronger bond with their kids than a g/f who inherited the children via a wangsta.............MOO

I don't think it is particularly wise to use the age of the babysitter when it is the same age as the mother when she gave birth.  And a newborn is definitely far more fragile than a five year old.  Just saying that this is the first question a judge is going to ask her if she tries to regain custody based on a babysitter the same age as she was when she gave birth.

If she was ONLY a babysitter that would certainly be true, but she was a the live in caretaker full time of 2 kids (one with needs more than a newborn), also not thinking Crystal ever lost her kids before or had "let them get stole by a dumb biatch boyfriend". Personally, I don;t think that will be the first question on the judges mind

It will be it that's the first reason given for seeking custody as was stated earlier.  And I do believe that the children's father is present much of the time and so the 17 yo should not be the sole provider of care for these children.  I don't think either of them would require more care than a newborn. 

All these lurid tales of abuse just coming up after Haleigh goes missing seem strange also.  It's easy for the non-custodial parent to allege just about anything.  Where was the concern before this happened?

I don't think any of them are going to win Parent of the Year Awards.

Uhh no disrespect but, do you actually think a 2 year old and five year old wouldnt require more care than a newborn, I mean uh  really...........  The last time I had a newborn when I layed it in its crib.....it stayed.........it took frequent naps throughout the day,   it never ran off and I had to go look for it,  it didnt fight with its sibling and I had to break it up.....it didnt wine for stuff or fall down or throw things or splash water everwhere when it took a bath, just saying..........Id rather have a newborn to care for any day of the week!!!!!!!!!!!

UH, yeah, I do think a newborn is more fragile and requires more care than a five year old.  At least all of mine did.  Especially one with colic and another that had to be fed every 2-3 hours around the clock.

I also don't think every parent who has a child abducted is at fault, either.  Neither of the biological parents or their current live ins or new brides or whatever seem particularly well suited to be caring for small children and yet there are all of these in their care anyway and the State foster care doesn't seem much if any better.

And it is my opinion, to which I seem to need to remind some I am entitled, that it is going to take much more for the biological mother to get custody than saying the caretaker is the age she was when she gave birth to this child. 

And yes, some biological mothers are more bonded but not all.  I thought that was the deal with Casey Anthony.

[Sleepless in Florida]

I'd like to reply to the pister that wondered why Chrstal hadnt filed for custody of the kids till now.....Id like to say that first of all, she doesnt live in this town and doesnt know everything that transpired in the day to day actuivities of the children, second, she had already lost custody once abd by now we all know that this is more or less The cummings stomping grounds and with Moma Neves there to stand up in court with Ronald, do myou really think it would do her any good, if she went to court and said, uh  I want custody because a 17 year old is watching the children, do you not think Mother Neves wouldnt have stood up and said no she's not I do, do you not think anything she tried the Cummings family would have stood up in court and lied for Ronald,why of course they would!!!!!!!!  Now though everything is out in the open and she has proof of them staying with Mistie,she has proof that something could happen to the children in Ronalds care, and if this is what it took for me to think that I finally had a chance to get custody of my children.....whell hell I'd be all over it like white on rice too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, am sure hoping that you meant to type 'poster' rather than 'pister'.     Cuz am not sure what a pister is, and not sure I wanna ask.  Although, truth be told, I can be a 'pisser' at times.   

Am curious to know why, yes.  And the things you've said has crossed my mind too.  Sounds like the way I'd be feeling (at least in part) had it been me.   

And just so we don't get jumped on by some, let me hasten to say that we still don't know Ron's side of it.  Am sure I could come up with just as many thought-provoking things that just might be as true as those for Crystal. 

I hate not knowing factual info in this case!  grrrrrrrr

Ron's side of it is, Im gonna get my kids because I dont want Chrstal to leave and as long as I have the kids she will come back and I could use the child support money too just in case sells fall off, oh and Im the big guy in town and I get what I want CONTROL, its all about me,( well as long as Mommie has my back)   OK   Jump away.......but be careful I move quick!!!!!!!!!!

I agree! Good points! And custody battles are so expensive, trust me I know first hand about that from a custody battle with my ex- daughter-in-law over my grand daughter.   Just the retainer fee a lawyer would want up front is probably more than Crystal could scrape up.

SO TRUE~my retainer 6 yrs ago was $7500.00 and that didn't include all the visits I made to all the other top divorce atty's in town to conflict them out, it pretty much almost bankrupted me, but I didn't care about that in the end I only wanted my child safe, but I was blessed to be able to afford a 2 yr long battle, and sadly alot of people can't, so where do you do from there if you fall into that category of not having the money????

I think someone with limited funds wouldn't have a chance of getting a lawyer to take their case. This new lawyer who is working for Crystal pro bono may be the first chance she has had to re-gain custody.   

[jules3699]

Fibsty did talk about a recent interview when she refused to talk with an investigator in the case. 

"There was a new guy that was new to the case and I didn't feel comfortable with him," Fibsty said. "He was being rude, like yelling, pretty much telling me I was a liar." 

HMMMMM~can't imagine what gave them that impression

IM do you know when MoRon got custody?

The first time I don't have any info on that, but IIRC the re-hearing was Dec 27, 2005

thank you I didnt see the documents so I wasnt sure.  That would put Haleigh around 3 and butterbean was a baby I guess right?

I think Haleigh was 2 and butterbean was about 9 months old at the re-hearing.

So think about it his family probably did help out a lot with the kids for the first few years.  And then he hooked up with different 17 or 16 yr olds (like Amber)for a while til recently he met Misty.  While he was picking up or visiting with Jordan.  Not sure why Jordan hasnt really been mentioned in all this.  But if that is how he met Fibsty then I am sure his parents had been watching that child (jordan)on weekend visits too.  I could see how CS would think he has been a good father all this time but really it has been his mother who has been caring for Haleigh and Jr until recently.  Maybe that is why TN was having someone go and check on the kids like GGM the night Haleigh went missing. 

From what I've heard, I don't think he sees Jordan, and i won't go into it here as it could be very hurtful to Amber, but in the re-hearing custody doc's he stated that his mom, aunt  and ggma would watch Haleigh and butterbean while he worked the night shift at another company.

I had the understand from what I have read that the way Ron met Misty was thru Amber cause Misty was babysitting for Amber and ron came over....I sent you a request on yahoo the other night if you want you can talk to me there.

  You did~I have to fess up, I'm quite stoopid about myspace, facebook and IM's............was it on email? If not my toss away addy is pcolabeachmom@yahoo.com

You have nanners IM

[islandmonkey]

I'd like to reply to the pister that wondered why Chrstal hadnt filed for custody of the kids till now.....Id like to say that first of all, she doesnt live in this town and doesnt know everything that transpired in the day to day actuivities of the children, second, she had already lost custody once abd by now we all know that this is more or less The cummings stomping grounds and with Moma Neves there to stand up in court with Ronald, do myou really think it would do her any good, if she went to court and said, uh  I want custody because a 17 year old is watching the children, do you not think Mother Neves wouldnt have stood up and said no she's not I do, do you not think anything she tried the Cummings family would have stood up in court and lied for Ronald,why of course they would!!!!!!!!  Now though everything is out in the open and she has proof of them staying with Mistie,she has proof that something could happen to the children in Ronalds care, and if this is what it took for me to think that I finally had a chance to get custody of my children.....whell hell I'd be all over it like white on rice too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, am sure hoping that you meant to type 'poster' rather than 'pister'.     Cuz am not sure what a pister is, and not sure I wanna ask.  Although, truth be told, I can be a 'pisser' at times.   

Am curious to know why, yes.  And the things you've said has crossed my mind too.  Sounds like the way I'd be feeling (at least in part) had it been me.   

And just so we don't get jumped on by some, let me hasten to say that we still don't know Ron's side of it.  Am sure I could come up with just as many thought-provoking things that just might be as true as those for Crystal. 

I hate not knowing factual info in this case!  grrrrrrrr

Ron's side of it is, Im gonna get my kids because I dont want Chrstal to leave and as long as I have the kids she will come back and I could use the child support money too just in case sells fall off, oh and Im the big guy in town and I get what I want CONTROL, its all about me,( well as long as Mommie has my back)   OK   Jump away.......but be careful I move quick!!!!!!!!!!

I agree! Good points! And custody battles are so expensive, trust me I know first hand about that from a custody battle with my ex- daughter-in-law over my grand daughter.   Just the retainer fee a lawyer would want up front is probably more than Crystal could scrape up.

SO TRUE~my retainer 6 yrs ago was $7500.00 and that didn't include all the visits I made to all the other top divorce atty's in town to conflict them out, it pretty much almost bankrupted me, but I didn't care about that in the end I only wanted my child safe, but I was blessed to be able to afford a 2 yr long battle, and sadly alot of people can't, so where do you do from there if you fall into that category of not having the money????

I think someone with limited funds wouldn't have a chance of getting a lawyer to take their case. This new lawyer who is working for Crystal pro bono may be the first chance she has had to re-gain custody.   

ITA~Personally none of the atty's I saw worked pro-bono, I think this atty sees the tragedy of this and I'm sure some publicity and offered to help out, that is her specialty from what I read on her.

[klaasend]

GOODNIGHT ALL!

[higherhopes]

I thought the biological mother Crystal was only 17 herself when Haleigh was born.  Seems odd that she would find a 17 year old objectionable for a five year old but herself OK for a newborn?

I could be wrong, but usually bio mothers have a stronger bond with their kids than a g/f who inherited the children via a wangsta.............MOO

I don't think it is particularly wise to use the age of the babysitter when it is the same age as the mother when she gave birth.  And a newborn is definitely far more fragile than a five year old.  Just saying that this is the first question a judge is going to ask her if she tries to regain custody based on a babysitter the same age as she was when she gave birth.

If she was ONLY a babysitter that would certainly be true, but she was a the live in caretaker full time of 2 kids (one with needs more than a newborn), also not thinking Crystal ever lost her kids before or had "let them get stole by a dumb biatch boyfriend". Personally, I don;t think that will be the first question on the judges mind

It will be it that's the first reason given for seeking custody as was stated earlier.  And I do believe that the children's father is present much of the time and so the 17 yo should not be the sole provider of care for these children.  I don't think either of them would require more care than a newborn. 

All these lurid tales of abuse just coming up after Haleigh goes missing seem strange also.  It's easy for the non-custodial parent to allege just about anything.  Where was the concern before this happened?

I don't think any of them are going to win Parent of the Year Awards.

Uhh no disrespect but, do you actually think a 2 year old and five year old wouldnt require more care than a newborn, I mean uh  really...........  The last time I had a newborn when I layed it in its crib.....it stayed.........it took frequent naps throughout the day,   it never ran off and I had to go look for it,  it didnt fight with its sibling and I had to break it up.....it didnt wine for stuff or fall down or throw things or splash water everwhere when it took a bath, just saying..........Id rather have a newborn to care for any day of the week!!!!!!!!!!!

UH, yeah, I do think a newborn is more fragile and requires more care than a five year old.  At least all of mine did.  Especially one with colic and another that had to be fed every 2-3 hours around the clock.

I also don't think every parent who has a child abducted is at fault, either.  Neither of the biological parents or their current live ins or new brides or whatever seem particularly well suited to be caring for small children and yet there are all of these in their care anyway and the State foster care doesn't seem much if any better.

And it is my opinion, to which I seem to need to remind some I am entitled, that it is going to take much more for the biological mother to get custody than saying the caretaker is the age she was when she gave birth to this child. 

And yes, some biological mothers are more bonded but not all.  I thought that was the deal with Casey Anthony.

well IMO,,,,,casey anthony has a mental problem that would keep her from bonding with anybody but herself,  I also had a newborn with stomach problems and every infant has to be fed often but still IMO  much easier to care for than two rambuctous toddlers, and lets remember also that Haleigh had a medical condition too......

   I  agree that not every Partent whose child is abducted is at fault, and I have never said otherwise, but of all the child abducted cases I have ever read about, never has a parent given more reason for the public to suspect them then Ronald and Mistie........ I mean, if you dont want a dog to pick up a bone, dont throw it out there to begin with...............!!

[Wyks]

O/T  sorry..

I need to know, I mean I realllllllllllly need to know, do bats play dead??   

There's one inside my water heater closet, that was squeaking, but now is very very ermmm still. 

My 26 yr old son said he tried to give it CPR with a hanger.    

Newsflash, boys do NOT grow up! 

But I seriously need to know if bats play dead?  I dun want to poke him and find out. 

Anyone?? 

[Bud's Girl]

I think someone with limited funds wouldn't have a chance of getting a lawyer to take their case. This new lawyer who is working for Crystal pro bono may be the first chance she has had to re-gain custody.   

Depends on where you live -- here in the boondocks it's very inexpensive to put a lawyer on retainer for a custody case, you can even pay a deposit and pay it out.  I'm guessing it might be the same where they live.  Small town attorneys usually, but not always, equal small town fees.   Plus the fact that usually when a woman files for divorce or custody battle, it's normal here that the court is asked in the papers to require the man - or the person with the most money - to pay for her attorney fees. 

IMO, Crystal had options but didn't exercise them either out of not knowing or not caring.  She didn't know why Haleigh had missed so much school in one of her first interviews when she was asked, and she hadn't talked to the children in the two weeks since she'd last seen them.  Not much interest there it would seem to me.  If I was really concerned about a 16 yr old caring for my young children, I'd at least pick up the phone once a day and call.

 

[higherhopes]

O/T  sorry..

I need to know, I mean I realllllllllllly need to know, do bats play dead??   

There's one inside my water heater closet, that was squeaking, but now is very very ermmm still. 

My 26 yr old son said he tried to give it CPR with a hanger.    

Newsflash, boys do NOT grow up! 

But I seriously need to know if bats play dead?  I dun want to poke him and find out. 

Anyone?? 

Yes wyks...they do, they get scared and hope if they lay still you will go away and leave it alone....remember they are blind so dont be surprised if it jumps up really fast and crashes into you!!!

[Wyks]

O/T  sorry..

I need to know, I mean I realllllllllllly need to know, do bats play dead??   

There's one inside my water heater closet, that was squeaking, but now is very very ermmm still. 

My 26 yr old son said he tried to give it CPR with a hanger.    

Newsflash, boys do NOT grow up! 

But I seriously need to know if bats play dead?  I dun want to poke him and find out. 

Anyone?? 

Yes wyks...they do, they get scared and hope if they lay still you will go away and leave it alone....remember they are blind so dont be surprised if it jumps up really fast and crashes into you!!!

Ackkkk!     Okies, gonna leave it for the property manager to deal with in the morning.  Am gonna sleep in the bathtub tonight, with two doors betw me and IT.  lol  Thanks HH! 

[luckyday]

This is a must read. I have now heard it all.

 http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d15-Psychic-blog-claims-African-American-male-with-albino-twin-took-Haleigh

[islandmonkey]

This is a must read. I have now heard it all.

 http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d15-Psychic-blog-claims-African-American-male-with-albino-twin-took-Haleigh

  Ok~I was going to bed, but this I HAVE to see, frucking A, what next......nevermind, pls don't answer that question

[Wyks]

I'd like to reply to the pister that wondered why Chrstal hadnt filed for custody of the kids till now.....Id like to say that first of all, she doesnt live in this town and doesnt know everything that transpired in the day to day actuivities of the children, second, she had already lost custody once abd by now we all know that this is more or less The cummings stomping grounds and with Moma Neves there to stand up in court with Ronald, do myou really think it would do her any good, if she went to court and said, uh  I want custody because a 17 year old is watching the children, do you not think Mother Neves wouldnt have stood up and said no she's not I do, do you not think anything she tried the Cummings family would have stood up in court and lied for Ronald,why of course they would!!!!!!!!  Now though everything is out in the open and she has proof of them staying with Mistie,she has proof that something could happen to the children in Ronalds care, and if this is what it took for me to think that I finally had a chance to get custody of my children.....whell hell I'd be all over it like white on rice too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, am sure hoping that you meant to type 'poster' rather than 'pister'.     Cuz am not sure what a pister is, and not sure I wanna ask.  Although, truth be told, I can be a 'pisser' at times.   

Am curious to know why, yes.  And the things you've said has crossed my mind too.  Sounds like the way I'd be feeling (at least in part) had it been me.   

And just so we don't get jumped on by some, let me hasten to say that we still don't know Ron's side of it.  Am sure I could come up with just as many thought-provoking things that just might be as true as those for Crystal. 

I hate not knowing factual info in this case!  grrrrrrrr

Ron's side of it is, Im gonna get my kids because I dont want Chrstal to leave and as long as I have the kids she will come back and I could use the child support money too just in case sells fall off, oh and Im the big guy in town and I get what I want CONTROL, its all about me,( well as long as Mommie has my back)   OK   Jump away.......but be careful I move quick!!!!!!!!!!

I agree! Good points! And custody battles are so expensive, trust me I know first hand about that from a custody battle with my ex- daughter-in-law over my grand daughter.   Just the retainer fee a lawyer would want up front is probably more than Crystal could scrape up.

SO TRUE~my retainer 6 yrs ago was $7500.00 and that didn't include all the visits I made to all the other top divorce atty's in town to conflict them out, it pretty much almost bankrupted me, but I didn't care about that in the end I only wanted my child safe, but I was blessed to be able to afford a 2 yr long battle, and sadly alot of people can't, so where do you do from there if you fall into that category of not having the money????

Geraldo?? 

[islandmonkey]

Fibsty did talk about a recent interview when she refused to talk with an investigator in the case. 

"There was a new guy that was new to the case and I didn't feel comfortable with him," Fibsty said. "He was being rude, like yelling, pretty much telling me I was a liar." 

HMMMMM~can't imagine what gave them that impression

IM do you know when MoRon got custody?

The first time I don't have any info on that, but IIRC the re-hearing was Dec 27, 2005

thank you I didnt see the documents so I wasnt sure.  That would put Haleigh around 3 and butterbean was a baby I guess right?

I think Haleigh was 2 and butterbean was about 9 months old at the re-hearing.

So think about it his family probably did help out a lot with the kids for the first few years.  And then he hooked up with different 17 or 16 yr olds (like Amber)for a while til recently he met Misty.  While he was picking up or visiting with Jordan.  Not sure why Jordan hasnt really been mentioned in all this.  But if that is how he met Fibsty then I am sure his parents had been watching that child (jordan)on weekend visits too.  I could see how CS would think he has been a good father all this time but really it has been his mother who has been caring for Haleigh and Jr until recently.  Maybe that is why TN was having someone go and check on the kids like GGM the night Haleigh went missing. 

From what I've heard, I don't think he sees Jordan, and i won't go into it here as it could be very hurtful to Amber, but in the re-hearing custody doc's he stated that his mom, aunt  and ggma would watch Haleigh and butterbean while he worked the night shift at another company.

I had the understand from what I have read that the way Ron met Misty was thru Amber cause Misty was babysitting for Amber and ron came over....I sent you a request on yahoo the other night if you want you can talk to me there.

  You did~I have to fess up, I'm quite stoopid about myspace, facebook and IM's............was it on email? If not my toss away addy is pcolabeachmom@yahoo.com

You have nanners IM

nanners back at ya~I'm off to bed monkeys.......praying we find anwers tomorrow

[Foggy Dew]

O/T  sorry..

I need to know, I mean I realllllllllllly need to know, do bats play dead??   

There's one inside my water heater closet, that was squeaking, but now is very very ermmm still. 

My 26 yr old son said he tried to give it CPR with a hanger.    

Newsflash, boys do NOT grow up! 

But I seriously need to know if bats play dead?  I dun want to poke him and find out. 

Anyone?? 

I know quite a bit about critters.  And no, they do not play dead. 

[luckyday]

O/T  sorry..

I need to know, I mean I realllllllllllly need to know, do bats play dead??   

There's one inside my water heater closet, that was squeaking, but now is very very ermmm still. 

My 26 yr old son said he tried to give it CPR with a hanger.    

Newsflash, boys do NOT grow up! 

But I seriously need to know if bats play dead?  I dun want to poke him and find out. 

Anyone?? 

I know quite a bit about critters.  And no, they do not play dead. 

Well, they are nocturnal, so if it isn't movin or squeeking, it's prolly a goner!!