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Author Topic: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7 3/14/09 - 3/18/09  (Read 226005 times)
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« Reply #860 on: March 16, 2009, 08:57:32 AM »


Plus Minnie, Crystal has never mentioned that Jr told any investigators this. She has always stated that Jr told her that a man dressed in black/a black man dressed in black took his sissy.

IIRC, we first heard from Crystal in an interview that Jr had told her during their first visitation that he had seen 'a man in black took my sissy'.   And then IIRC, right after that, Jr spoke with investigators. 

Then just recently, we heard from Crystal on Geraldo that Jr had said 'a black man in black took my sissy'.  And then tonight she said the same exact thing. 



but I have also heard that Ron Jr had first told Crystal's step mother that he has seen a man dressed in black come get sissy....
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« Reply #861 on: March 16, 2009, 08:59:53 AM »

O/T update: 

Thanks everyone for your help!  My two younger sons arm-wrestled, CPR-for-bat son lost, so got to figure out a way to escort dead?/alive? bat outside.  He got an oven mitt and a paper bag and went in.  Grabbed the limp (probably terrified) bat, shoved it into the bag, closed the top and took it outside to the back 40.  Opened the bag and turned it over letting the bat out.  Then hustled back into my apt. 

Now they are sitting here preening and slapping themselves on the backs for being so brave in the face of a 3in x 1in puff of fur.  (well I have to admit, I was hiding behind my snoring doxie, who was behind the 2 snoring cats, who were behind my soon-to-be DIL. 

Can't make this stuff up folks!   

There is a special place in heaven for the mother of sons.  Yep.  Got to be.   

Sorry again for the O/T

Thanks all!  Nighters! 


   

Good Morning Monkeys,,,
I hope everyone goes back, and reads  how WYKS and Son's, take on  one possum playin bat.
Yesterday I was bummed when I left the site, just so depressing. Then, something like this happens, and it brings me back to understanding, life goes on. And if we allow ourself a moment to smile, then, we are able to go on with the unpleasant happenings as well.
Or at least I am.. and besides, I pictured the story in my head, and oh my, we were laughing loud here ....too funny......   mio
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« Reply #862 on: March 16, 2009, 09:19:14 AM »

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I did not see anyone say they did not believe IM. I find your post to be rather snotty. I asked a question because that was the first time I had seen that interview. I did not see any posters getting slammed as you say. I do not see why people are getting so snotty over posts questioning certain things. You want people to be able to discuss their thoughts on the case,but then when someone does and you disagree,you post snotty comments. I do not get it. I was just trying to point out that no one has delved into Crystal and kin as they have RC and kin. Like,did you know that after RC filed for custody Crystals mother called DCF on RC? she admitted to it. Did you know that the incorrect address that the court papers were sent to was the address Crystal herself gave.. The doctors appointment scheduled for the same day as court, RC gave Crystal the option of taking Jr. to him the night before so he could go to the doctor, why did she not do it? See, I have not seen any of this discussed. I seen where you posted a snotty post to foggy last night as well and do not see the need in being that way.  I have not said i believe RC and Misty,nor have I said I believe Crystal. I have said several times I think they are all being dishonest about things. I do not know who did or did not do anything to Haleigh but I for one am not ready to go calling RC a child abuser without proof. The fact is DCF did home studies on both of them. If it will make you feel better, I will just not post on this thread anymore.I really am shocked at the attitude...  I,just like other posters,have been posting my thoughts on this case but it seems you do not like my opinions. please tell me where I or anyone else said they did not believe IM. I am just really hurt by the attitudes that have been bleeding through here lately and quite surprised too..Not to mention hurt. Hope everyone has a good day.....

Searching... .....You raise a lot of good points in this post...in my opinion...
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« Reply #863 on: March 16, 2009, 09:21:19 AM »

Searching ~ Please don't leave.  I enjoy reading your posts.
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« Reply #864 on: March 16, 2009, 09:36:26 AM »



People of a certain age say a lot of inane crap on those my space deals, imo.

Unless Crystal has a mile long rap sheet, her gibberish on my page or my face or whatever doesn't mean a lot to me.

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errrr....except for Misty doesn't have a mile long rap sheet either and you are taking what she said on her my space pretty much to heart ....at least the portion of what she said to Amber?
what is the difference here? we can believe  that Crystal didn't mean what she was saying but we can believe that Misty was completely serious on what she wrote? not fair....goose for the gander and all that good stuff...xxxx
This I agree with.  You make a good point.  I have been reading this sort of double standard throughout all of these Haleigh threads.  I do not like either side more than the other, and I mean either side of the cage just as much as I mean either side of the families involved in this case.  Poo is everywhere!!
You do not have to wait until an arrest is made, but you should look at all sides objectively, even the one you may be standing on, and yes that goes for both sides within the cage.
Actions from both sides have been fishy...Ron and Misty getting married..uh ICK!  Crystal and her Mom coming out full throttle with the poo throwing....um WHY? (It seems to me that Ron is quite capable of showing his true dumbass colors without the preface from Crystal and her Mother.)

Take in the whole view....something that Monkeys are known to do and are notorious for!  Why it has not happened in this thread is beyond me.

As for the fudge recipes, we do have a recipe thread in Musings. 

...that just my "23 y/o housewife" opinion...or is that MOO or TTYOHWO
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« Reply #865 on: March 16, 2009, 09:41:29 AM »

I'd like to reply to the pister that wondered why Chrstal hadnt filed for custody of the kids till now.....Id like to say that first of all, she doesnt live in this town and doesnt know everything that transpired in the day to day actuivities of the children, second, she had already lost custody once abd by now we all know that this is more or less The cummings stomping grounds and with Moma Neves there to stand up in court with Ronald, do myou really think it would do her any good, if she went to court and said, uh  I want custody because a 17 year old is watching the children, do you not think Mother Neves wouldnt have stood up and said no she's not I do, do you not think anything she tried the Cummings family would have stood up in court and lied for Ronald,why of course they would!!!!!!!!  Now though everything is out in the open and she has proof of them staying with Mistie,she has proof that something could happen to the children in Ronalds care, and if this is what it took for me to think that I finally had a chance to get custody of my children.....whell hell I'd be all over it like white on rice too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!! I believe also that Crystal had never been to the house... when she picked up the kids for visitation, she met either Ron or his mother outside town somewhere. I do know that he did not allow her to call and talk to them between visitss. I can imagine going up against his whole family AND him.
It is possible that she did not know Misty's age until this came up with Haleigh. The kids would not know since kids pay very little attention to things like that. Possibly she didn't pay a lot of attention to their little stories until something happened. And might not have been able to hire a lawyer up to now, since this one says she is doing this pro bono. All in all, I don't fault her for not doing something until now, because if she did notice injuries she probably asked Ron and he made some excuse. Not living in Satsuma, she probably did not know a lot that was going on, if there was anything like that.

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« Reply #866 on: March 16, 2009, 09:44:41 AM »

I'd like to reply to the pister that wondered why Chrstal hadnt filed for custody of the kids till now.....Id like to say that first of all, she doesnt live in this town and doesnt know everything that transpired in the day to day actuivities of the children, second, she had already lost custody once abd by now we all know that this is more or less The cummings stomping grounds and with Moma Neves there to stand up in court with Ronald, do myou really think it would do her any good, if she went to court and said, uh  I want custody because a 17 year old is watching the children, do you not think Mother Neves wouldnt have stood up and said no she's not I do, do you not think anything she tried the Cummings family would have stood up in court and lied for Ronald,why of course they would!!!!!!!!  Now though everything is out in the open and she has proof of them staying with Mistie,she has proof that something could happen to the children in Ronalds care, and if this is what it took for me to think that I finally had a chance to get custody of my children.....whell hell I'd be all over it like white on rice too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!! I believe also that Crystal had never been to the house... hwhen she picked up the kids for visitation, she met either Ron or his mother outside town somewhere. I do know that e did not allow her to call and talk to them between visitss. I can imagine going up against his whole family AND him.
It is possible that she did not know Misty's age until this came up with Haleigh. The kids would not know since kids pay very little attention to things like that. Possibly she didn't pay a lot of attention to their little stories until something happened. And might not have been able to hire a lawyer up to now, since this one says she is doing this pro bono. All in all, I don't fault her for not doing something until now, because if she did notice injuries she probably asked Ron and he made some excuse. Not living in Satsuma, she probably did not know a lot that was going on, if there was anything like that.



How do you KNOW this? because someone in Crystals family said so?  just asking.....
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« Reply #867 on: March 16, 2009, 09:51:08 AM »

I thought the biological mother Crystal was only 17 herself when Haleigh was born.  Seems odd that she would find a 17 year old objectionable for a five year old but herself OK for a newborn?

She was 17 when she got pregnant, and stated that on NG... might have been 18 when Haleigh was born. And there is a little bit of difference in being the mother of a child than taking care of ones who are not your own.
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« Reply #868 on: March 16, 2009, 09:51:37 AM »

Video: Attorney says Haleigh’s mother is ‘in a very bad state’
March 15, 3:50 AM ·

Attorney Kim Picazio says she is representing Crystal Sheffield pro bono to help her handle the media.  Sheffield is the mother of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings who disappeared over one month ago.

Picazio claims they have received information regarding the safety and living conditions of Haleigh and her little brother while staying at their father’s home.

Ronald Cummings, 25, is Haleigh’s father and Thursday he married his teenage girlfriend, Misty, 17, who was at home with the children when Haleigh went missing.

“We are going to speak with the proper authorities so the Department of Children and Families can investigate the information we’ve gotten and then take whatever action they feel is appropriate,” said Picazio.

Picazio claims that Sheffield is "in a very bad state" and is seeking counseling.  “Crystal Sheffield would definitely not be in the mood right now to be getting married or attending any honeymoon,” Picazio said.

See the Picazio interview below:


The search continues for Haleigh who has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall.  Please call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d15-Video-Attorney-says-Haleighs-mother-is-in-a-very-bad-state
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« Reply #869 on: March 16, 2009, 09:54:52 AM »

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I did not see anyone say they did not believe IM. I find your post to be rather snotty. I asked a question because that was the first time I had seen that interview. I did not see any posters getting slammed as you say. I do not see why people are getting so snotty over posts questioning certain things. You want people to be able to discuss their thoughts on the case,but then when someone does and you disagree,you post snotty comments. I do not get it. I was just trying to point out that no one has delved into Crystal and kin as they have RC and kin. Like,did you know that after RC filed for custody Crystals mother called DCF on RC? she admitted to it. Did you know that the incorrect address that the court papers were sent to was the address Crystal herself gave.. The doctors appointment scheduled for the same day as court, RC gave Crystal the option of taking Jr. to him the night before so he could go to the doctor, why did she not do it? See, I have not seen any of this discussed. I seen where you posted a snotty post to foggy last night as well and do not see the need in being that way.  I have not said i believe RC and Misty,nor have I said I believe Crystal. I have said several times I think they are all being dishonest about things. I do not know who did or did not do anything to Haleigh but I for one am not ready to go calling RC a child abuser without proof. The fact is DCF did home studies on both of them. If it will make you feel better, I will just not post on this thread anymore.I really am shocked at the attitude...  I,just like other posters,have been posting my thoughts on this case but it seems you do not like my opinions. please tell me where I or anyone else said they did not believe IM. I am just really hurt by the attitudes that have been bleeding through here lately and quite surprised too..Not to mention hurt. Hope everyone has a good day.....

Searching... .....You raise a lot of good points in this post...in my opinion...

Yeah, don't leave Searching I agree with you on this 100% and as I feel that I rec'd a personal response to a post on this board that was offensive and rather nasty due to some's personal feelings on this case I have choosen to no longer post here as often as I was, but I do enjoy reading the posts.  I sense a gang up mentality here that does not set right w/me.  Not so much against RC & MC but towards any posters outside the CS camp, note previous posts where it's ok for CS's drugs in Pic's on her myspace, forgetting Dr's appt's, court document address issue, over all past history as the mommy, she gets a pass on all this, well I tend to disagree.  And as I agree w/you that no one in this case is w/out motive nor should they get a free pass on their past record.

I realize that MC & RC put alot out there to give fuel to the fire, but that should in no way lead to ugly, offensive, personal posts by anyone on this board directed towards other posters.  And I can't help but seeing as this is a recurring theme here that it must be true.  I enjoy reading your posts.  It's also enlightening to see that this is not taking place on other threads at sm or at other forum's where posters who disagree can manage to do it w/out belittling or using personal attack offenses to fellow posters. 
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« Reply #870 on: March 16, 2009, 09:57:48 AM »

^^^^then this attorney needs to turn all of the info over to LE or Child protective services rather than keep talking about it on the tv and newspapers...might get more results going through the proper channels instead of putting info out there that may or may not be true...

my heart goes out to Crystal and the entire family...I don't know how anyone gets through something like this...
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« Reply #871 on: March 16, 2009, 10:00:52 AM »

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I did not see anyone say they did not believe IM. I find your post to be rather snotty. I asked a question because that was the first time I had seen that interview. I did not see any posters getting slammed as you say. I do not see why people are getting so snotty over posts questioning certain things. You want people to be able to discuss their thoughts on the case,but then when someone does and you disagree,you post snotty comments. I do not get it. I was just trying to point out that no one has delved into Crystal and kin as they have RC and kin. Like,did you know that after RC filed for custody Crystals mother called DCF on RC? she admitted to it. Did you know that the incorrect address that the court papers were sent to was the address Crystal herself gave.. The doctors appointment scheduled for the same day as court, RC gave Crystal the option of taking Jr. to him the night before so he could go to the doctor, why did she not do it? See, I have not seen any of this discussed. I seen where you posted a snotty post to foggy last night as well and do not see the need in being that way.  I have not said i believe RC and Misty,nor have I said I believe Crystal. I have said several times I think they are all being dishonest about things. I do not know who did or did not do anything to Haleigh but I for one am not ready to go calling RC a child abuser without proof. The fact is DCF did home studies on both of them. If it will make you feel better, I will just not post on this thread anymore.I really am shocked at the attitude...  I,just like other posters,have been posting my thoughts on this case but it seems you do not like my opinions. please tell me where I or anyone else said they did not believe IM. I am just really hurt by the attitudes that have been bleeding through here lately and quite surprised too..Not to mention hurt. Hope everyone has a good day.....

Searching... .....You raise a lot of good points in this post...in my opinion...

Yeah, don't leave Searching I agree with you on this 100% and as I feel that I rec'd a personal response to a post on this board that was offensive and rather nasty due to some's personal feelings on this case I have choosen to no longer post here as often as I was, but I do enjoy reading the posts.  I sense a gang up mentality here that does not set right w/me.  Not so much against RC & MC but towards any posters outside the CS camp, note previous posts where it's ok for CS's drugs in Pic's on her myspace, forgetting Dr's appt's, court document address issue, over all past history as the mommy, she gets a pass on all this, well I tend to disagree.  And as I agree w/you that no one in this case is w/out motive nor should they get a free pass on their past record.

I realize that MC & RC put alot out there to give fuel to the fire, but that should in no way lead to ugly, offensive, personal posts by anyone on this board directed towards other posters.  And I can't help but seeing as this is a recurring theme here that it must be true.  I enjoy reading your posts.  It's also enlightening to see that this is not taking place on other threads at sm or at other forum's where posters who disagree can manage to do it w/out belittling or using personal attack offenses to fellow posters. 

I also agree with this post...I don't think that this gang up mentality or the snottiness would make it on the other threads...don't know why it has happened here, but it has...others can sense it as well...how many posters have left this thread because of this ?
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« Reply #872 on: March 16, 2009, 10:05:03 AM »

Good Morning, finally caught up, you were all quite busy last night. I believe the lovebirds come home today from their honeymoon 
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« Reply #873 on: March 16, 2009, 10:05:49 AM »

I thought the biological mother Crystal was only 17 herself when Haleigh was born.  Seems odd that she would find a 17 year old objectionable for a five year old but herself OK for a newborn?

I could be wrong, but usually bio mothers have a stronger bond with their kids than a g/f who inherited the children via a wangsta.............MOO


I don't think it is particularly wise to use the age of the babysitter when it is the same age as the mother when she gave birth.  And a newborn is definitely far more fragile than a five year old.  Just saying that this is the first question a judge is going to ask her if she tries to regain custody based on a babysitter the same age as she was when she gave birth.



I would think the judge, if he/she has any sense at all, will first consider that Crystal gave birth to the child, which makes a LOT of difference when caring for one, and that two children make a difference, rather than just an infant, especially if they are not your own. Considering that an infant can not run off and hide, tear things down, jump up and down on the furniture... any number of things kids do to frustrate parents, whereas with an infant, as long as you feed them, bathe them and change their diapers pretty often, everything is pretty well taken care of. And I believe that Crystal had turned 18 by the time Haleigh was born. Being pregnant at 17 does not necessarily mean she was still 17, nine months later.
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« Reply #874 on: March 16, 2009, 10:07:41 AM »

As I have read the dissent between monkeys on this case I do have a couple of thoughts-

This case has brought up many personal feelings for many monkeys that most cases do not. It is an unfortunate truth in this country that the courts do not always do the best thing for the kids when it comes to custody issues. I know that from personal experience. I also know that once you are burnt by the courts and an ex ganging up on you, you have a very bad taste in your mouth about it. I was once that naive person that thought the courts really did know what was best and the parties were honest. This even after working in the courts for many years. In the last few years i have learned the hard way that this is a fantasy. People lie, courts make bad or ill informed rulings. it is the nature of the system. but the system is the best we have to fight these battles.

I also know that when it comes to the blame game, exes are the best at it. We can make all sorts of things seem real in our minds - and forget if they are or not. So, it does not surprise me that there are all kinds of allegations in this case between the parents and their families. Are some true - yes, are some exaggerated - yes, are some lies - yes. When it comes to our kids, our instinct is to protect at any cost (as it should be). Add to that the ego investment that we all have in being good parents and the poop will fly.

What saddens me, is that, as humans, we can not separate the normal BS from the facts. The fact in this case is we have two less than desirable parents. Both should probably not have kids. But since they made kids, the court has to make the best decision they can with the information given. In this case, the court may not have had all the information - but perhaps it did - we will never know the truth.

I am reminded of a saying that a wise attorney I worked for had - there are three versions of the truth - mine, yours and the real one - which is somewhere in the middle.

The long and short of it is that we, as monkeys, are just looking for the middle ground. We try to do it without letting our pasts get in the way. But we do not always accomplish that lofty goal. So we need to be gentle with each other and not go to war with the allies - but always fight for the true victim - the children. ]

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« Reply #875 on: March 16, 2009, 10:11:13 AM »

As I have read the dissent between monkeys on this case I do have a couple of thoughts-

This case has brought up many personal feelings for many monkeys that most cases do not. It is an unfortunate truth in this country that the courts do not always do the best thing for the kids when it comes to custody issues. I know that from personal experience. I also know that once you are burnt by the courts and an ex ganging up on you, you have a very bad taste in your mouth about it. I was once that naive person that thought the courts really did know what was best and the parties were honest. This even after working in the courts for many years. In the last few years i have learned the hard way that this is a fantasy. People lie, courts make bad or ill informed rulings. it is the nature of the system. but the system is the best we have to fight these battles.

I also know that when it comes to the blame game, exes are the best at it. We can make all sorts of things seem real in our minds - and forget if they are or not. So, it does not surprise me that there are all kinds of allegations in this case between the parents and their families. Are some true - yes, are some exaggerated - yes, are some lies - yes. When it comes to our kids, our instinct is to protect at any cost (as it should be). Add to that the ego investment that we all have in being good parents and the poop will fly.

What saddens me, is that, as humans, we can not separate the normal BS from the facts. The fact in this case is we have two less than desirable parents. Both should probably not have kids. But since they made kids, the court has to make the best decision they can with the information given. In this case, the court may not have had all the information - but perhaps it did - we will never know the truth.

I am reminded of a saying that a wise attorney I worked for had - there are three versions of the truth - mine, yours and the real one - which is somewhere in the middle.

The long and short of it is that we, as monkeys, are just looking for the middle ground. We try to do it without letting our pasts get in the way. But we do not always accomplish that lofty goal. So we need to be gentle with each other and not go to war with the allies - but always fight for the true victim - the children. ]

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« Reply #876 on: March 16, 2009, 10:12:39 AM »

I thought the biological mother Crystal was only 17 herself when Haleigh was born.  Seems odd that she would find a 17 year old objectionable for a five year old but herself OK for a newborn?

I could be wrong, but usually bio mothers have a stronger bond with their kids than a g/f who inherited the children via a wangsta.............MOO


I don't think it is particularly wise to use the age of the babysitter when it is the same age as the mother when she gave birth.  And a newborn is definitely far more fragile than a five year old.  Just saying that this is the first question a judge is going to ask her if she tries to regain custody based on a babysitter the same age as she was when she gave birth.



I would think the judge, if he/she has any sense at all, will first consider that Crystal gave birth to the child, which makes a LOT of difference when caring for one, and that two children make a difference, rather than just an infant, especially if they are not your own. Considering that an infant can not run off and hide, tear things down, jump up and down on the furniture... any number of things kids do to frustrate parents, whereas with an infant, as long as you feed them, bathe them and change their diapers pretty often, everything is pretty well taken care of. And I believe that Crystal had turned 18 by the time Haleigh was born. Being pregnant at 17 does not necessarily mean she was still 17, nine months later.


with respect, let's not tell that to adoptive mothers or to step mothers caring for children...xxxx
because one gives birth to a child does not mean that she will be a better mom in my opinion...look at Casey Anthony, Susan Smith just to name a few....but I do get your point on this...
Crystal will be 24 in April...Haleigh will be 6 in August....so she could have just turned 18 when she gave birth...when is Misty going to be 18?
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« Reply #877 on: March 16, 2009, 10:25:45 AM »

I think someone with limited funds wouldn't have a chance of getting a lawyer to take their case. This new lawyer who is working for Crystal pro bono may be the first chance she has had to re-gain custody.   

Depends on where you live -- here in the boondocks it's very inexpensive to put a lawyer on retainer for a custody case, you can even pay a deposit and pay it out.  I'm guessing it might be the same where they live.  Small town attorneys usually, but not always, equal small town fees.   Plus the fact that usually when a woman files for divorce or custody battle, it's normal here that the court is asked in the papers to require the man - or the person with the most money - to pay for her attorney fees. 

IMO, Crystal had options but didn't exercise them either out of not knowing or not caring.  She didn't know why Haleigh had missed so much school in one of her first interviews when she was asked, and she hadn't talked to the children in the two weeks since she'd last seen them.  Not much interest there it would seem to me.  If I was really concerned about a 16 yr old caring for my young children, I'd at least pick up the phone once a day and call.

 


Ron did not allow Crystal to talk to the kids between visits. It was not a matter of interest, he was the one in control. I've never initiated a custody battle, but I assume that the person filing it has to pay their own attorney fees. And if what you say is true, that the courts require the man to pay for court costs, then why was Crystal hit with child support when she had no job and Ron was making the money? THAT judge certainly did not take that into consideration, did he?
What other options would she have had, without the money to get a lawyer and fight it? As I see it, she may not have realized until now that things were this bad. Just because things are the way they are in your neck of the woods, doesn't mean they are the same other places, or that people like Crystal know what can be done if they know the right people. Plus, I get the impression that she was bullied by Ron's entire family and really felt helpless against them. I've been in that kind of situation... it's tough to buck up against people like that!
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« Reply #878 on: March 16, 2009, 10:26:50 AM »

I thought the biological mother Crystal was only 17 herself when Haleigh was born.  Seems odd that she would find a 17 year old objectionable for a five year old but herself OK for a newborn?

I could be wrong, but usually bio mothers have a stronger bond with their kids than a g/f who inherited the children via a wangsta.............MOO


I don't think it is particularly wise to use the age of the babysitter when it is the same age as the mother when she gave birth.  And a newborn is definitely far more fragile than a five year old.  Just saying that this is the first question a judge is going to ask her if she tries to regain custody based on a babysitter the same age as she was when she gave birth.



I would think the judge, if he/she has any sense at all, will first consider that Crystal gave birth to the child, which makes a LOT of difference when caring for one, and that two children make a difference, rather than just an infant, especially if they are not your own. Considering that an infant can not run off and hide, tear things down, jump up and down on the furniture... any number of things kids do to frustrate parents, whereas with an infant, as long as you feed them, bathe them and change their diapers pretty often, everything is pretty well taken care of. And I believe that Crystal had turned 18 by the time Haleigh was born. Being pregnant at 17 does not necessarily mean she was still 17, nine months later.


with respect, let's not tell that to adoptive mothers or to step mothers caring for children...xxxx
because one gives birth to a child does not mean that she will be a better mom in my opinion...look at Casey Anthony, Susan Smith just to name a few....but I do get your point on this...
Crystal will be 24 in April...Haleigh will be 6 in August....so she could have just turned 18 when she gave birth...when is Misty going to be 18?


I believe somewhere Fibsty just turned 17 but I will find out her birthday..
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« Reply #879 on: March 16, 2009, 10:30:24 AM »

Misty won't be 18 until December. 
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