Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09 - 3/19/09

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas...thank you for bringing the skull picture for us to see what a skull looks like (although I have seen many)....No wonder Tim made the call...!  It may not have been NAH, but I do think
it was a human skull.  Will Aruba ever tell anyone who was retrieved from the cage?  Mere

Mere - that's my whole problem with this.  Who/what was in that cage and will we ever know the truth?  IMO neither Natalee's family nor the FBI have the truth.

Considering Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his analysis of the ROV images and ... the way the recovery was handling by the Arubans ... I believe that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.

Janet

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THE ANALYSIS

Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.


THE RECOVERY

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.  (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

[2NJSons_Mom]

EDIT:

while upholding Beth Holloway.

Done.  Hope it was what you wanted.

Nope.

I meant Dave Holloway.

 

I was distracted by hubby and brother-in-law installing new bathroom fixtures.  I am the unofficial supervisor of project.  My normally quiet spoken hubby told me to go back to the computer and ... leave them alone.

 

Janet

Janet

We knew what you meant, Janet because LOGIC DICTATES!

   It says Dave, now. 

[Tamikosmom]

Does that me he does not love me anymore?

 

Janet

No, it means he loves you so much he's willing to share you with us 

I do not think so.

I believe the computer was just a means to eliminate me from the scene.  My "suggestions" were not welcome.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

EDIT:

while upholding Beth Holloway.

Done.  Hope it was what you wanted.

Nope.

I meant Dave Holloway.

 

I was distracted by hubby and brother-in-law installing new bathroom fixtures.  I am the unofficial supervisor of project.  My normally quiet spoken hubby told me to go back to the computer and ... leave them alone.

 

Janet

Janet

We knew what you meant, Janet because LOGIC DICTATES!

   It says Dave, now. 

[Tamikosmom]

EDIT:

while upholding Beth Holloway.

Done.  Hope it was what you wanted.

Nope.

I meant Dave Holloway.

 

I was distracted by hubby and brother-in-law installing new bathroom fixtures.  I am the unofficial supervisor of project.  My normally quiet spoken hubby told me to go back to the computer and ... leave them alone.

 

Janet

Janet

We knew what you meant, Janet because LOGIC DICTATES!

 

[Anna]

I have a hard time believing Dave Holloway objects to a very nice feature movie but if he does, he is not the only family member involved.

IMO this is the best yet to come of this whole tragedy.

[Blue Moon]

I can just picture it.  All CAPS unwavering supporterss huddled together in their little hidey hole at CNG planning a strategy to discredit messenger.  After all ... CAPS must be protected at all costs.

 

Lifesong ... you done good!

Janet

Who was it again that was putting Caps in touch with people?

Who is it then that's standing in the way of Justice?

Who EXACTLY is screwing over this family behind their backs?

Are they really only doing it because their ego is bigger than their brain?

All the hidey holes in the world aren't going to be enough.

Lifesong, Whow!  all I can say. 

[Anna]

And I STILL stand behind ever thing I have ever posted about Natalee's disappearance as I have absolutely no reason to lie.

Not only do I NOT have an agenda, I don't even have a theory as to what happened.

I just want the TRUTH no matter who or what it entails.

Contrary to what some have claimed about me personally.  Just not true.

[Anna]

Where can I get a squirrel like that?

[Anna]

I can just picture it.  All CAPS unwavering supporterss huddled together in their little hidey hole at CNG planning a strategy to discredit messenger.  After all ... CAPS must be protected at all costs.

 

Lifesong ... you done good!

Janet

Who was it again that was putting Caps in touch with people?

Who is it then that's standing in the way of Justice?

Who EXACTLY is screwing over this family behind their backs?

Are they really only doing it because their ego is bigger than their brain?

All the hidey holes in the world aren't going to be enough.

Lifesong, Whow!  all I can say. 

Double WoW from me.  I totally missed all that.  I am so impressed with those carrying the torch for Natalee now.

[Tamikosmom]

2NJ - That's a great find with Kaplan/Gulmar!

You guys are doing great!      


So..this wasn't what I was looking for, but it's what I've found...I'm highlighting the dates/times and the similarities...

I'm curious what you guys think...I think it's hinky.


Front Page Postings

I. Background - Caps first FP post, he makes this comment on the 12/20 posting for Dana's show.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/

#14. CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 5:30 pm:

I do think that we all got it wrong..
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
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SM: Yes, good thinking and I have wondered about that myself. There is a cemetary not far from the Sloot home (klaasend)

#15.  CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 6:05 pm:

The Cemetary that are controlled by the churches and supervised are only 2, the one in San Nicholaas and the other is Santa Cruz

II.  This is where it gets hinky. - The next night.  Anonimo - CapsLockWizard

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;
I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.
Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.
I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.
As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case. You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?
Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.
There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.
Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.
I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.
But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?
The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.
The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.
Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.
Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.
Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?
“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”
How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.
If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.
Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.
Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.
This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.
Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something
A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?
Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????
The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question
IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?
Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.
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SM:
Mr. Anonimo, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/quotes
One doesn’t even know where to begin where trying to use reason and logic with what a 4th grader writes.
rambling, incoherent response :But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
If one had a brain, one would know that many marriages and relationships crumble under the stress and strain of a missing or murdered child.
http://www.scdyoung.ie/iopen24/pub/when_a_child_diesfinal.pdf
The above rantings have been consistently put out there by those that hate. Please do not embarrass yourself with utter stupidity.
We know know the following to be fact:
1. The suspects discussed prior to going out on the internet what they had intended to do that night. Because as we already knew, 3 boys who have admittedly done in 20 times before, do not go to C&C’s 1/2 hr prior to closing except to corner a girl to have their way with her.
2. One of the suspects, who was 1 of the 3 people last seen with Natalee Holloway, referred to Natalee in the past tense as being dead 5 hours after NH was last ever seen.
OK Sherlock, you do the math. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, unless you are a part of of ALE.
This scenario has happened God knows how many times in the US and in ever case the suspect last known seen with the victim was GUILTY!
R

# 26  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm

Why not answer the questions?

#27  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm

We all know what the alleged perps did and now let see the other side of the million…a coin has two side

#29  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:51 pm

Wel let see where we learn today from the criminals of the wolrd.. who make the guns? which one is more corrupt Democrat or Republicans..Let see on Wall Street who is more Corrupt… The watch CNN, CNBC, FOX etc down there…
The Arubans know what is going on but , yes there is a but… They learn from the states, from the Latins. etc. they see the world in an international way… not nacional..most of them watch CNN for news

#31  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:56 pm

and it is 3 internatioal perp that came to settle down to stir the peace…again, the moment a girls is lost or missing in the US they know…and the whole Island is interconnected to the Internet. and well educated…but like I said before… money is the source of corroption and deceid and extorcion. so do not forget this.. A million and nobody go for it…very rare indeed. while the whole island play Lotto florida and New York Lottery.

#39.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:33 am

ok maybe Aruba laws is not perfect. What so is the Law In China and other part of the world. OJ Simpson got awy with murder becuase of the glove did not fit. so he could not done it… so let look at the similairities and Marc furman…etc
I watched on TV in New York and we all was in desbelieve live went one and he went on with his live till recent incident
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SM: There is a vast difference between an imperfect legal system and a corrupt one. Learn the difference. That is your home work for today. Your sophomoric comparison is actually painful to even attempt to understand. Do you even have any comprehension what happened in the OJ trial? You mean to tell me that the judge of instruction in Aruba let three criminal suspects off because the Dutch and people from Suriname have been taken advantage of by the Aruban legal system and this was Aruba’s form of jury nullification? Get a clue as to what you are talking about before you actually post, please.
R

#41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am

I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds was is now merge and no one seems to know where it is… so be patient and we shall see.
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SM: Logic, huh? LOL … now that’s humorous.
I guess you missed this picture, conveniently enough.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg
Fool, the family is not on trial … we all know who committed the crime against Natalee …

#43  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:27 am

ok lets look at the side of the perps.
Question. If you want to take out a girl to get laid, where would you go to do it knowing she has a roomate in he room? answer please

#44  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:30 am

also knowing that they have money and well dress for the night.

#48.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 4:19 am

I think I figured it all out but I am missing a peace of information… on what roud or rout did the father pickup joran and what is the town that joram live..

#71 Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.
The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”  <<Snipped this very, very long post, click here to read the whole thing - Comment #71.

#73  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 2:38 am

To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…
What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.

# 75  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 3:03 am

By the way, they neveer search the area I have pinted out to Zion and from the map it seems that for some reason they concentrated in the wrong area.. The places are very close from Joran Home… The problem is that these kid played the investigators so well and by using the tacktic I will cooperate with you by desiving you method. They used the term I did not lie to you but you is the one that did believe me technique. and since his Fatheer was a Judge the Investigator played by there tune.
Anyway more to come….

#76  Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am

I think I solve the mystery in this whole case.

#77 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am

To 10061906, you mention some places and from this I can determined that you do not know not a thing about aruba.. you could have said the Light House so that i could have prove you wrong…but anyway all your answers are wrong.

#78 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

I need the email for Beth Twitty, Does any one has her email address.
Thnks

BUMPED!!

[Tamikosmom]

ANONIMO AND CAPS - DO NOT COMPUTE

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #547 on: November 18, 2008, 01:43:06 PM »

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....

look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.

cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg547289#msg547289


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #1004 on: April 04, 2008, 03:36:48 AM »

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg370835#msg370835

[Kermit]

This tidbit by Kermit, iirc, started the hysterics about Caps safety.  Another common name in Aruba as was discussed, I suppose.  But it did touch a nerve or two. 

Aruba Tourism Authority - Vernon Vrolijk (regional rep in Atlanta, GA)


http://books.dreambook.com/wyndyacres/wyndyacres.html

From Vernon's Facebook Page.


And on Flickr:

Thank you so much oldiebutgoodie. This guy looks a lot like Caps.
Great find.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Slightly OT, but ain't this the truth?   

Irish Frogs Survived Ice Age

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/irishfrogssurvivediceage

[Blue Moon]

Well, I'm not surprised.  I'm sure that the task force thought the case would be ended, one way or another, at the end of 2007.  They regrouped and hired new people. Seems anyone that had been in the states, qualifies.  Imagine a Force that favors psychics and illogical, I'll post whatever it takes to hook them, applicants.  Some people have more money than brains.   

I (in my opinion only) believe Deepak was who posted all that Shango bullsh$t.  Look at hotshot's site, Deepak took over Hotshots identity for a while and even chides her about it.  I have always believe HotShot was right in the middle of this whole thing.  Too many people inserted themselves on a person level and that never leads to positive results.

[Kermit]

O/T but I was surpised by how this skull looks:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18951778/detail.html



Skull Found On Top Of Grave In Cemetery
Posted: 4:42 pm EDT March 17, 2009
Updated: 4:48 pm EDT March 17, 2009

VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. -- A human skull was found Tuesday in a Volusia County cemetery, but not underground. The skull was found in the Pinewood Cemetery in Daytona Beach and police were trying to figure out where the skull came from.

They expected to find something disturbed, but they didn't. No open graves and no vandalism. Officers said it wasn't hidden in the back corner of the property; it was close enough to reach out and touch.

(snipped)

It's a petrified Hermit crab... That was me channeling Johan555..

SHEEP have more balls then johann

[Magnolia]

O/T but I was surpised by how this skull looks:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18951778/detail.html



Skull Found On Top Of Grave In Cemetery
Posted: 4:42 pm EDT March 17, 2009
Updated: 4:48 pm EDT March 17, 2009

VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. -- A human skull was found Tuesday in a Volusia County cemetery, but not underground. The skull was found in the Pinewood Cemetery in Daytona Beach and police were trying to figure out where the skull came from.

They expected to find something disturbed, but they didn't. No open graves and no vandalism. Officers said it wasn't hidden in the back corner of the property; it was close enough to reach out and touch.

(snipped)

It's a petrified Hermit crab... That was me channeling Johan555..

SHEEP have more balls then johann

I thought those were udders!

[Kermit]

Kyle said: As a reminder, the items collected from the trap were brought right to Richardson, who by his own words says he personally sent the sample(s) right to the FBI. We learned later the FBI didn't get the sample(s) until the 22nd of January.

[Kermit]

Well, I'm not surprised.  I'm sure that the task force thought the case would be ended, one way or another, at the end of 2007.  They regrouped and hired new people. Seems anyone that had been in the states, qualifies.  Imagine a Force that favors psychics and illogical, I'll post whatever it takes to hook them, applicants.  Some people have more money than brains.   

I (in my opinion only) believe Deepak was who posted all that Shango bullsh$t.  Look at hotshot's site, Deepak took over Hotshots identity for a while and even chides her about it.  I have always believe HotShot was right in the middle of this whole thing.  Too many people inserted themselves on a person level and that never leads to positive results.

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »

... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.  There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help.  I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ..
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899

[Kermit]

I thought those were udders!

Miss Magnolia,
Go look at Buck again.