Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09 - 3/19/09

[Keepthefaith]

can

I see ya lurking.  What is your thoughts on today's developments or ... is CAPS still the man.

Janet

BUMP

I was just reading back and then came upon this post. For some reason back in the early days when we had the theory and speculation thread that was what interested me the most. After the first big crash I never got back into it.

I did read it but did not post often. Caps was so confusing. He?She ? kept upsetting Lalas and Mum and they really did not like or trust him but after a post from Klaasend they accepted him/ her with a passion.If Klaas said this person was ok then they must be wrong on their feelings.

I am glad to see Klaas say she was wrong to have believed in Caps. Like I said I could never get into Caps so I never had an opinion on whether Caps was trustworthy or not but always believed in Klaas.
Does that answer your question?

Come on SAM!..Tell us what YOU think about Caps,Shango,as well as Simian..Your into the codetalker stuff correct..Is it utter Bullsh_T???YES OR NO!TIA

[texasmom]

can

I see ya lurking.  What is your thoughts on today's developments or ... is CAPS still the man.

Janet

BUMP

I was just reading back and then came upon this post. For some reason back in the early days when we had the theory and speculation thread that was what interested me the most. After the first big crash I never got back into it.

I did read it but did not post often. Caps was so confusing. He?She ? kept upsetting Lalas and Mum and they really did not like or trust him but after a post from Klaasend they accepted him/ her with a passion.If Klaas said this person was ok then they must be wrong on their feelings.

I am glad to see Klaas say she was wrong to have believed in Caps. Like I said I could never get into Caps so I never had an opinion on whether Caps was trustworthy or not but always believed in Klaas.
Does that answer your question?

Sam, I wasn't going to post but now I'm just going to say it.

Why does this post seem like you are trying to blame Klaas.

BULLSHIT.

I agree, BULLSHIT!    

[San]

Klaaaassssssss........I don't think I can stay up for 40 or so more posts in Cayleesss, lol    WAAAAAAAA

Don't worry Nut.  Go to bed I will be here.

[Blue Moon]

I think so BlueMoon and maybe it's time to post some more of the CnG hidey hole posts for some of us have seen some pencil types lamenting some here weren't buying CAPS any longer?

I seen some of their posts, everytime one of us make a post they go into a frenzy talking about how stupid we are for trying to make this into a "conspiracy".  Ya know what I could care less what they say..It will NOT stop me from posting my opinions.

[Lifesong]

An impressive email campaign of his research and solving of the case down to finding the witness.

Remember how he targeted Dave Holloway and you.

Telling Dave he has to come to Aruba now to get the body.

And trying to tell you all I was lying.
Dear Caps,
kermit and company have been watching you the whole time.

But who came unglued when I posted the name of the AHTA guy in GA?
WHO?

WHO?

YES - it was SS

******* was in cahoots with him too.

Yeah - I knew sooner or later we were circling back around to Voldemort, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, I just didn't know how we'd end up getting there.

I still say - I hope its all just ego driven, and I hope a serious lesson is learned.

I'm not yet convinced.

 

[Keepthefaith]

I am a gulliable person!  I will give anybody a chance.
When I started seeing things that were off, some yelled at me. So I went along. 
When I saw inconsistencies I thought maybe it was a language thing.
I feel like one of those sheep that Kermit posted.

Janet and San were never fooled.

I hear you!  (MuminOH had her say, too, but bailed & now gives hand signals elsewhere)  I have said before that I tried to understand and even help with questions.  Maybe it was because CAPS was deemed legit...I don't know. 

Lifesong figured it out, and that's to her credit.  She's an amazing researcher. 

Hmmmm, I wonder if I should post something about MumInOhio.

Please do!I'm done with the B.S. personally..Your either for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY or your not...NO EXCUSES anymore...It's all black and white..Make your choice!

[Kermit]

Crapslockgizzard is such the fool... and so are his stoolies.. there's ONLY one thing I wanna know about everything he has to say -

how did he arrive at Deutekom? is this just some smuck that was walking into a courthouse and he snapped his pic - or is this guy a real player in the Justice department?

I've found several things that say this guy is real, but I think he deals with kids that smoke the ganja... and nothing more...

how did that all happen?

I think he may be a psychologist in the Justice Department, perhaps specializing in children?  But he certainly is not in charge of anything or we would have heard his name long ago and often.

Red herring or Bloomer as Granny Toad would say.

I think he is closer to a smuck than a key player in things.

JMO but we would have found any public official long ago and far away.

Remeber Kyle said that he thought Caps was one step away from Dirtyhand.

Caps said his uncle is an attorney
Caps said his brother works in immigration at the airport
Caps lived in the U.S. and returned to Aruba

[WhiskeyGirl]

I've been spending way to much time elsewhere...

The BFN 'frontpage' has an interesting post -

Dave Holloway Won’t Give Up Search for Natalee
February 16th, 2009
By Maaike Ruepert

After four years since her disappearance the investigation concerning the missing Natalee Holloway seems to be stuck. But Natalees’ father Dave Holloway wants, together with a few American experts, to go and search himself again.

An 80 metres long ship, equipped with modern diving equipment is ready to leave for Aruba. It has cost a mere 5 million dollars to dive up the 150 objects in the Caribbean sea and to dig through a pond to search for a trace of Natalee. An American team, specialised in finding missing people, is willing to spend that amount of money but is waiting in vain for support from Hans Mos, chief prosecutor on Aruba, says Natalee’s father Dave Holloway.

Chief Public Prosecutor Mos does not want to examine the water though. “That Joran was near that water is no more than an assumption from that witness”, he explains from Oranjestad. “If I have to follow everything, I’m busy all day. And even if I would find something, it still wouldn’t be evidence that Joran has done something.”

Father Holloway doesn’t understand. “Even if it’s not evidence, it can help you get started. As a prosecutor, you have the obligation to investigate thoroughly. He is saying that Jorans’ father Paul van der Slot is a good man, a friend. I wonder if corruption plays a part.”

For example, John Silvetti has taken samples from the pond bottom to determine how deep they have to dig for to find something from four years ago. Silvetti: “I have asked Mos to send samples to the FBI, because I’m not allowed to do that. But as far as I know, those samples are still in the refrigerator at the police station. Mos hasn’t answered the phone for months and won’t call back either. This case stinks. Mos has killed that research.’’

Mos says he doesn’t know anything about the taken samples. He labels the criticism as emotion. “They can go ahead if they want to, as long as they inform us,” he says. “I’m not hindering them. I have no idea where that idea is coming from. I really want to solve the case. But I only put the police on matters when there are specific leads. If it would be up to them, they would turn the whole island upside down. The Persistence has only found one object and that didn’t lead to anything. I don’t think we will find anything in the ocean.”

When Silvetti hears the last remark, he almost jumps out of his skin. “What a disgusting allegation,” he says. “On the seabed we have found 150 items coming from people we want to investigate.’’

http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/

This is from a translation of this article - http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Are there any updates?  It looks like John Silvetti may be part of an additional search.  I hope they find what they are looking for.  Natalee and her family deserve peace.

[klaasend]

can

I see ya lurking.  What is your thoughts on today's developments or ... is CAPS still the man.

Janet

BUMP

I was just reading back and then came upon this post. For some reason back in the early days when we had the theory and speculation thread that was what interested me the most. After the first big crash I never got back into it.

I did read it but did not post often. Caps was so confusing. He?She ? kept upsetting Lalas and Mum and they really did not like or trust him but after a post from Klaasend they accepted him/ her with a passion.If Klaas said this person was ok then they must be wrong on their feelings.

I am glad to see Klaas say she was wrong to have believed in Caps. Like I said I could never get into Caps so I never had an opinion on whether Caps was trustworthy or not but always believed in Klaas.
Does that answer your question?

Did they send you Sam?  I cannot believe, on your own, you would blame Klaas for the behavior of those two women?  And yes....this does upset me...!!!

Yes SAM, I'm a big enough person to admit I was wrong but I did so long before Lala's or Hotshot or any of them did (if they even have yet).  I have also said that Caps was posting from Aruba (true) and seemed to really want to help.  I was right about Aruba and wrong about helping. 

So Sam are you saying it's MY FAULT that Lala's and Hotshot and the rest believed Caps way beyond my belief in him?  To the point that Capslock stopped emailing me I'm assuming because I must have questioned him in the wrong way?

Sorry, but I'm not going to take responsibility for what other adults on the internet believe.

[AZSunny]

Sometimes after working during the day, and just checking in periodically, I try to quickly catch up. There are always mysteries revealed, and identities of characters and their motives, sometimes I am going  and sometimes I am going  and sometimes I am going WTF! 

 I think we could create a new board game here, can't call it "clue"  but certainly something close.  Now if we could only discover how to win this "game" of deception.  I think we need to have Kermit in the lead detective role, maybe "Kermit's clues?"    None,  isn't your expertise marketing? 

[Nut44x4]

TY TY Sannnn  night all

[Kermit]

I am a gulliable person!  I will give anybody a chance.
When I started seeing things that were off, some yelled at me. So I went along. 
When I saw inconsistencies I thought maybe it was a language thing.
I feel like one of those sheep that Kermit posted.

Janet and San were never fooled.

She refers to her own name in this little conversation with Colt45.




I hear you!  (MuminOH had her say, too, but bailed & now gives hand signals elsewhere)  I have said before that I tried to understand and even help with questions.  Maybe it was because CAPS was deemed legit...I don't know. 

Lifesong figured it out, and that's to her credit.  She's an amazing researcher. 

Hmmmm, I wonder if I should post something about MumInOhio.

Please do!I'm done with the B.S. personally..Your either for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY or your not...NO EXCUSES anymore...It's all black and white..Make your choice!

[Sam]

can

I see ya lurking.  What is your thoughts on today's developments or ... is CAPS still the man.

Janet

BUMP

I was just reading back and then came upon this post. For some reason back in the early days when we had the theory and speculation thread that was what interested me the most. After the first big crash I never got back into it.

I did read it but did not post often. Caps was so confusing. He?She ? kept upsetting Lalas and Mum and they really did not like or trust him but after a post from Klaasend they accepted him/ her with a passion.If Klaas said this person was ok then they must be wrong on their feelings.

I am glad to see Klaas say she was wrong to have believed in Caps. Like I said I could never get into Caps so I never had an opinion on whether Caps was trustworthy or not but always believed in Klaas.
Does that answer your question?

Did they send you Sam?  I cannot believe, on your own, you would blame Klaas for the behavior of those two women?  And yes....this does upset me...!!!

1. NO One sent me.

2. I did not blame Klaas

I did say that I trusted Klaas just as she trusted  Caps. Do not try to read something that was not said.

That has became a problem here for awhile now where posters get undermined for having their own opinions. I am not the enemy and I resent being treated as such. I thought we were all here for Justice for Natalee.

Also in looking at the post I quoted I see it was actually directed to another poster Can and I thought it said Sam. So sorry.

[Rob]

ok, I'm saying it and I'm gone for the night - so call it a drive by. Call is what ya will.

Sam, yanno all the WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back when I told ya that Steve Croes was about to be arrested again? and you told me that you would keep that "secret"? member that?

I did that cause Mrs Red herself didn't even trust ya. She ASKED ME to do it. And Steve was not about to be arrested, but you went with it anyway.

nuff said.

[Kermit]

[klaasend]

I've been spending way to much time elsewhere...

The BFN 'frontpage' has an interesting post -

Dave Holloway Won’t Give Up Search for Natalee
February 16th, 2009
By Maaike Ruepert

After four years since her disappearance the investigation concerning the missing Natalee Holloway seems to be stuck. But Natalees’ father Dave Holloway wants, together with a few American experts, to go and search himself again.

An 80 metres long ship, equipped with modern diving equipment is ready to leave for Aruba. It has cost a mere 5 million dollars to dive up the 150 objects in the Caribbean sea and to dig through a pond to search for a trace of Natalee. An American team, specialised in finding missing people, is willing to spend that amount of money but is waiting in vain for support from Hans Mos, chief prosecutor on Aruba, says Natalee’s father Dave Holloway.

Chief Public Prosecutor Mos does not want to examine the water though. “That Joran was near that water is no more than an assumption from that witness”, he explains from Oranjestad. “If I have to follow everything, I’m busy all day. And even if I would find something, it still wouldn’t be evidence that Joran has done something.”

Father Holloway doesn’t understand. “Even if it’s not evidence, it can help you get started. As a prosecutor, you have the obligation to investigate thoroughly. He is saying that Jorans’ father Paul van der Slot is a good man, a friend. I wonder if corruption plays a part.”

For example, John Silvetti has taken samples from the pond bottom to determine how deep they have to dig for to find something from four years ago. Silvetti: “I have asked Mos to send samples to the FBI, because I’m not allowed to do that. But as far as I know, those samples are still in the refrigerator at the police station. Mos hasn’t answered the phone for months and won’t call back either. This case stinks. Mos has killed that research.’’

Mos says he doesn’t know anything about the taken samples. He labels the criticism as emotion. “They can go ahead if they want to, as long as they inform us,” he says. “I’m not hindering them. I have no idea where that idea is coming from. I really want to solve the case. But I only put the police on matters when there are specific leads. If it would be up to them, they would turn the whole island upside down. The Persistence has only found one object and that didn’t lead to anything. I don’t think we will find anything in the ocean.”

When Silvetti hears the last remark, he almost jumps out of his skin. “What a disgusting allegation,” he says. “On the seabed we have found 150 items coming from people we want to investigate.’’

http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/

This is from a translation of this article - http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Are there any updates?  It looks like John Silvetti may be part of an additional search.  I hope they find what they are looking for.  Natalee and her family deserve peace.

Whiskeygirl - you can't be serious?  This is month old news.  Why are you posting this now?  Is it time to change the subject again?

[Keepthefaith]

ok, I'm saying it and I'm gone for the night - so call it a drive by. Call is what ya will.

Sam, yanno all the WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back when I told ya that Steve Croes was about to be arrested again? and you told me that you would keep that "secret"? member that?

I did that cause Mrs Red herself didn't even trust ya. She ASKED ME to do it. And Steve was not about to be arrested, but you went with it anyway.

nuff said.

THANK YOU ROB...

[Blue Moon]

TY TY Sannnn  night all

Good Night Nutt.

[texasmom]

TY TY Sannnn  night all

Goodnight Nut!  

[Elaine]

I've been spending way to much time elsewhere...

The BFN 'frontpage' has an interesting post -

Dave Holloway Won’t Give Up Search for Natalee
February 16th, 2009
By Maaike Ruepert

After four years since her disappearance the investigation concerning the missing Natalee Holloway seems to be stuck. But Natalees’ father Dave Holloway wants, together with a few American experts, to go and search himself again.

An 80 metres long ship, equipped with modern diving equipment is ready to leave for Aruba. It has cost a mere 5 million dollars to dive up the 150 objects in the Caribbean sea and to dig through a pond to search for a trace of Natalee. An American team, specialised in finding missing people, is willing to spend that amount of money but is waiting in vain for support from Hans Mos, chief prosecutor on Aruba, says Natalee’s father Dave Holloway.

Chief Public Prosecutor Mos does not want to examine the water though. “That Joran was near that water is no more than an assumption from that witness”, he explains from Oranjestad. “If I have to follow everything, I’m busy all day. And even if I would find something, it still wouldn’t be evidence that Joran has done something.”

Father Holloway doesn’t understand. “Even if it’s not evidence, it can help you get started. As a prosecutor, you have the obligation to investigate thoroughly. He is saying that Jorans’ father Paul van der Slot is a good man, a friend. I wonder if corruption plays a part.”

For example, John Silvetti has taken samples from the pond bottom to determine how deep they have to dig for to find something from four years ago. Silvetti: “I have asked Mos to send samples to the FBI, because I’m not allowed to do that. But as far as I know, those samples are still in the refrigerator at the police station. Mos hasn’t answered the phone for months and won’t call back either. This case stinks. Mos has killed that research.’’

Mos says he doesn’t know anything about the taken samples. He labels the criticism as emotion. “They can go ahead if they want to, as long as they inform us,” he says. “I’m not hindering them. I have no idea where that idea is coming from. I really want to solve the case. But I only put the police on matters when there are specific leads. If it would be up to them, they would turn the whole island upside down. The Persistence has only found one object and that didn’t lead to anything. I don’t think we will find anything in the ocean.”

When Silvetti hears the last remark, he almost jumps out of his skin. “What a disgusting allegation,” he says. “On the seabed we have found 150 items coming from people we want to investigate.’’

http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/

This is from a translation of this article - http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Are there any updates?  It looks like John Silvetti may be part of an additional search.  I hope they find what they are looking for.  Natalee and her family deserve peace.

Date and time of the new search please. Do you have a link? TIA

All speculation.