Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09 - 3/19/09

[Kermit]

An impressive email campaign of his research and solving of the case down to finding the witness.

Remember how he targeted Dave Holloway and you.

Telling Dave he has to come to Aruba now to get the body.

And trying to tell you all I was lying.
Dear Caps,
kermit and company have been watching you the whole time.

But who came unglued when I posted the name of the AHTA guy in GA?
WHO?

WHO?

YES - it was SS

******* was in cahoots with him too.

Yes we have.  Including the times "you" were logged in here, yet there was no one on the site meter from Aruba.  For a WHOLE WEEK, whenever you were logged in.

Are you a travelling jester?  We did note a few "off" locations on the site meter during that week.  Looked like there could have been a lot of travelling going on.  Do you have an R.V.? here in the States? 

 
Rudolf the red-nose reindeer

[Kermit]

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

March 30 - KYLE now matches up with what CAPS has been saying about the search and there being a legitimate witness

One has to wonder why John Silvetti and Kyle protected Caps/witness.

[Kermit]

Kyle
Mon Apr 28, 2008
My appologies for not responding sooner, as I have been rather preoccupied as of late. The labor strike has ended. We've been contacted by Aruban authorities in regards to the pond search. I will provide updates with that as they come. I hope you're all well. I'll be in touch.
~Kyle

[Artcolley]

Good afternoon monks

Good Afternoon, MuffyBee
I did look at the clock and yep, the day somehow slipped in to afternoon on me, and I still have tons of stuff to do!

I wanted to tell you, Muffy, I saw that bus you posted for me last night and it was adorable. Much smoother ride than a pumpkin, too 

[Kermit]

MAY 6, 2008 THE PASSPORT PICTURES OF JORAN POSTED at SM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranPassport.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranPassport2.jpg
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379590#msg379590


May 8 - Kyle confirms again this is the same pond that CAPS is talking about

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)


May 19 - Kyle now gives the coordinates of the pond

Same day - PHOTOS are emailed to Destiny and posted at SM

May 19  - John is mad at Kyle for confirming the POND to SM

May 19 at 1:40 AM CAPS comes back and posts it is the correct pond.

Klye asks Freebirds for help with more information about Richardson and Clyde Burke.


What is wrong with this picture?
A couple of boat guys are involved in a major crime in a foreign country and cover up their own discovery of a cage/trap with human remains and material and a blue tarp and they do not go to the FBI.
They try to strike deals for a lot of money with networks and sell the ROV footage of the Aruban divers collecting evidence that contains human remains, then they bring an alleged witness to the U.S. and
pay for a polygraph. While remaining silent about the evidence of a crime being covered-up.

And as Jen stated, the former freebird who took off because he/she trusted and believed in Caps information and made a phone call to the family to stop what Beth had already given her permission - to expose the ARUBANS COVERING UP!


A SCHEME OF CONFIDENCE

Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti, along with crew members of the RV Persistence, Kyle Kingman and Tim Tehran  used the confidence of investors, and the family of Natalee Holloway, and the supporters of Natalee Holloway's family for donations as  investments in their scheme to defraud investors, fool donators and betray Natalee's family in order to make money.



Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.



private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440












AMERICAN TRAITORS IN THE GREAT ARUBAN COVER-UP

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good Morning ArtColley and TM!

I've got a couple of appointments today and if KTF and 2NJ and the rest of You Smart Monkeys have not found that contract by the time I get back...I plan to give it alot of attention and get it found......

Later.... Monkeys Have a Great Day! 

  

I've been looking...It will pop out sooner or later..GREED IS AN EVIL THING...Thanx for all you do Hotping..

I've been looking, too.  Haven't found anything, but will not give up.   

[Anna]

Kyle
Mon Apr 28, 2008
My apologies for not responding sooner, as I have been rather preoccupied as of late. The labor strike has ended. We've been contacted by Aruban authorities in regards to the pond search. I will provide updates with that as they come. I hope you're all well. I'll be in touch.
~Kyle

Rob is correct in that Mos' office made it very clear they did not intend to drain the pond especially since it was entering the dry season and would likely dry up on its own.  There was never any plan to drain it and the labor strike had nothing at all to do with anything.

Note now the focus is changed to "search" instead of drain and search.  It was already being searched by private parties in regard to another missing person whom I believe to have been Jose Tromp.

And the "new witness" had already given a statement in March I believe it was to Mos as well and was not found to be credible as Joran van der Sloot could have become wet in any number of places and circumstances.  Nothing the witness said tied Joran only to the pond.  But CLW or WLC as he would have us believe had added the part about where to get wet AND lose a shoe.  That was supposedly his own "logic" so I do find it strange it was shared by this new witness.

Yes, why indeed was there the push to sell the new witness and this yet another version of what happened?

[Keepthefaith]

MAY 6, 2008 THE PASSPORT PICTURES OF JORAN POSTED at SM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranPassport.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranPassport2.jpg
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379590#msg379590


May 8 - Kyle confirms again this is the same pond that CAPS is talking about

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)


May 19 - Kyle now gives the coordinates of the pond

Same day - PHOTOS are emailed to Destiny and posted at SM

May 19  - John is mad at Kyle for confirming the POND to SM

May 19 at 1:40 AM CAPS comes back and posts it is the correct pond.

Klye asks Freebirds for help with more information about Richardson and Clyde Burke.


What is wrong with this picture?
A couple of boat guys are involved in a major crime in a foreign country and cover up their own discovery of a cage/trap with human remains and material and a blue tarp and they do not go to the FBI.
They try to strike deals for a lot of money with networks and sell the ROV footage of the Aruban divers collecting evidence that contains human remains, then they bring an alleged witness to the U.S. and
pay for a polygraph. While remaining silent about the evidence of a crime being covered-up.

And as Jen stated, the former freebird who took off because he/she trusted and believed in Caps information and made a phone call to the family to stop what Beth had already given her permission - to expose the ARUBANS COVERING UP!


A SCHEME OF CONFIDENCE

Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti, along with crew members of the RV Persistence, Kyle Kingman and Tim Tehran  used the confidence of investors, and the family of Natalee Holloway, and the supporters of Natalee Holloway's family for donations as  investments in their scheme to defraud investors, fool donators and betray Natalee's family in order to make money.



Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.



private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440












AMERICAN TRAITORS IN THE GREAT ARUBAN COVER-UP

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND PEOPLE..

[nimrod]

ETA:  in red

I have to say, I've always thought Caps was FOS.  The "discovery" of a "witness" by him regarding the pond was the beginning of the reason some Freebirds went to bat for Kyle.  While most of us could see the disparities from one statement by this witness to the next...............2 Freebirds staunchly held tight to their beliefs in Caps.

To the point of one of them contacting Kyle before our cage and contents doc was to be published.

To the point of that same person LYING to BETH via another family member about the contents of our doc, in an effort to get Beth to rescind her permission to us of exposing the information.


Now that Caps has been exposed (FANTASTIC JOB LIFESONG!!) - the real question rears its ugly head again.

Kyle said there was NOTHING in that pond of note, after his analysis of the side sonar.

Yet....................we have John Silvetti and Caps meeting early on, and Silvetti playing along with the whole pond farce.  KNOWING his own analyst said there is nothing there.

Playing along to the extent that JOHN brought this "witness" to the States to take a polygraph.

Playing along to the extent he had Natalee's father believing in Caps and his "witness".

Playing along to the extent that Tim Miller went back down there to "search" the pond Silvetti KNEW there was nothing in.

Why?

Why?  To distract from the cage and its contents.  However ... Kyle Kingman ...  who at this point was not a part of the conspiracy ... was not fooled.

I truly believe that John Silvetti's downfall was when he underestimated that Kyle Kingman would observe and interpretation his participation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup and ... then reveal all in his own words.

When Kyle Kingman's words along with the John Silvetti/CAPS connection are considered ... the picture is perfectly clear.

Janet

+++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains


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[Kermit]

O/T but I was surpised by how this skull looks:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18951778/detail.html



Skull Found On Top Of Grave In Cemetery
Posted: 4:42 pm EDT March 17, 2009
Updated: 4:48 pm EDT March 17, 2009

VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. -- A human skull was found Tuesday in a Volusia County cemetery, but not underground. The skull was found in the Pinewood Cemetery in Daytona Beach and police were trying to figure out where the skull came from.

They expected to find something disturbed, but they didn't. No open graves and no vandalism. Officers said it wasn't hidden in the back corner of the property; it was close enough to reach out and touch.

(snipped)

Skulduggery
Tim Miller saw a skull
Kyle saw a skull
John believed Caps/witness.
Louis Schaefer sells off to a documentary for money

while Natalee is still gone..............

[Anna]

Quote:

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)
--------

Again, according to Mos' office, there were NO investigators from Holland in Aruba with this or any other regard.  This is just a lie.

BTW, I do see Debbie reading here and know she was privy to the emails I did get, the ones which HotShit and Voldemort claim never happened.  It did happen and I am not lying about that at all.

Several people do know this as well.

[Kermit]

HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
on: January 13, 2009, 06:04:13 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4363.msg624464#msg624464

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal.

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 
on: January 19, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4388.msg634711#msg634711

For people who are out for the good of other people, I think you should all take a look at the way you have been acting.  Not just the stuff you have been talking about me, but the whole scenario last night was very hurtful, and hateful.  To call one "crazy", in itself is degrading.  Stop bringing up things that happened in the past that degrades people.  You don't know the whole story, you were not there, so don't speak of it as being actual.  You hear it from one person and hold that to being true?  No, there are 3 sides.  Mine, yours, and the truth.  Even if I were to talk about what happened, would you believe me?  "NO".  So why even try, I know it's not worth the time.  But to state some of the other things like my website has "who evers" name in the chat box is just ludicrist.  I had not even been there for the last few weeks, so to think I put "who evers" name in there is just plain silly.  I personally am not here for any of you, I am here for Natalee, to help get to the bottom of things.  If it means going back to do things I needed to do, then so be it.  Don't make fun of it, at least I was doing something.  Yes, I am one of those people who truely do think she was in that trap.  Why are you poking at that?  I never said I didn't think it to be true.  I also believe in CAPS, even though you want to burn him at the stakes.  NO Klaas, I don't want to be the "show", nor do I want to MAKE you believe what I believe.  To be at SM used to be something to strive for to be with others in the know, and help to find Natalee.  Recently, it has become a repeatative source of info about Kyle/Silvetti/Schafer.  Kermit, if you have something to say, SAY IT.  You always have more coming, well SPIT IT OUT!  You all poke fun at that when someone else states something like that, what makes her so different?  People are clinging on to your every word, like your some kind of God, so tell them what you know.  You all (4) quit the Freebirds to come here, do something.  Speaking about the Freebirds, theres yet another time you all took for granted you knew what was going on when you saw the picture of me and Croes.  You didn't even ask of why I was there, just stuck me down from out of no-where. Threw me out!  But Thanks to that I have met one of the finest people I could ever meet, Stephanie Good.  She is still a dear friend to me today.   Dave knew why I was there, thats all that counts.  Beth knew all that happened also, after the fact, and still applauds it.  They needed new faces down there and still do.  I had been talking to some of the perps since day 3.  To get just one piece of info was of the utmost importance.  Did you all take that into consideration?  You talk about how I have the Kalpoes on my site, and how they took over my identity, yes not only did they do that on Zorpia, but one of them did it to me right here on SM one night.  Go ahead and call me "crazy" again.  But they had my name, my sign in, we were both on at the same time, however he was one step ahead of me.  Talking about Venezuela, and chasing the car.  How would I even know anything about that?  It was being talked about as it was happening.  No-one here chose to believe that, and thats fine.  I know what happened, again I don't have to explain.  Yes, at one point I too was a FreeBird, was asked to go to the meeting in Alabama.  I chose not to go.  I chose to stay with SM and do my part here.  Go to the Boycotts, and help where ever I could.  Again don't poke fun at that, I was out there doing something.  The Boston (5) didn't come from No where, and we are the ones who originated them.  No Klaas I don't want to be the first person to come up with things.  It's nice to know that I did though.  Did those week-ends help?  Yes they did.

JMO and only MO

bump

[Kermit]

2NJ - That's a great find with Kaplan/Gulmar!

You guys are doing great!      


So..this wasn't what I was looking for, but it's what I've found...I'm highlighting the dates/times and the similarities...

I'm curious what you guys think...I think it's hinky.


Front Page Postings

I. Background - Caps first FP post, he makes this comment on the 12/20 posting for Dana's show.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/

#14. CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 5:30 pm:

I do think that we all got it wrong..
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
________________________
SM: Yes, good thinking and I have wondered about that myself. There is a cemetary not far from the Sloot home (klaasend)

#15.  CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 6:05 pm:

The Cemetary that are controlled by the churches and supervised are only 2, the one in San Nicholaas and the other is Santa Cruz

II.  This is where it gets hinky. - The next night.  Anonimo - CapsLockWizard

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;
I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.
Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.
I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.
As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case. You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?
Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.
There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.
Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.
I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.
But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?
The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.
The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.
Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.
Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.
Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?
“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”
How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.
If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.
Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.
Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.
This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.
Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something
A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?
Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????
The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question
IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?
Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.
_____________
SM:
Mr. Anonimo, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/quotes
One doesn’t even know where to begin where trying to use reason and logic with what a 4th grader writes.
rambling, incoherent response :But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
If one had a brain, one would know that many marriages and relationships crumble under the stress and strain of a missing or murdered child.
http://www.scdyoung.ie/iopen24/pub/when_a_child_diesfinal.pdf
The above rantings have been consistently put out there by those that hate. Please do not embarrass yourself with utter stupidity.
We know know the following to be fact:
1. The suspects discussed prior to going out on the internet what they had intended to do that night. Because as we already knew, 3 boys who have admittedly done in 20 times before, do not go to C&C’s 1/2 hr prior to closing except to corner a girl to have their way with her.
2. One of the suspects, who was 1 of the 3 people last seen with Natalee Holloway, referred to Natalee in the past tense as being dead 5 hours after NH was last ever seen.
OK Sherlock, you do the math. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, unless you are a part of of ALE.
This scenario has happened God knows how many times in the US and in ever case the suspect last known seen with the victim was GUILTY!
R

# 26  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm

Why not answer the questions?

#27  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm

We all know what the alleged perps did and now let see the other side of the million…a coin has two side

#29  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:51 pm

Wel let see where we learn today from the criminals of the wolrd.. who make the guns? which one is more corrupt Democrat or Republicans..Let see on Wall Street who is more Corrupt… The watch CNN, CNBC, FOX etc down there…
The Arubans know what is going on but , yes there is a but… They learn from the states, from the Latins. etc. they see the world in an international way… not nacional..most of them watch CNN for news

#31  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:56 pm

and it is 3 internatioal perp that came to settle down to stir the peace…again, the moment a girls is lost or missing in the US they know…and the whole Island is interconnected to the Internet. and well educated…but like I said before… money is the source of corroption and deceid and extorcion. so do not forget this.. A million and nobody go for it…very rare indeed. while the whole island play Lotto florida and New York Lottery.

#39.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:33 am

ok maybe Aruba laws is not perfect. What so is the Law In China and other part of the world. OJ Simpson got awy with murder becuase of the glove did not fit. so he could not done it… so let look at the similairities and Marc furman…etc
I watched on TV in New York and we all was in desbelieve live went one and he went on with his live till recent incident
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SM: There is a vast difference between an imperfect legal system and a corrupt one. Learn the difference. That is your home work for today. Your sophomoric comparison is actually painful to even attempt to understand. Do you even have any comprehension what happened in the OJ trial? You mean to tell me that the judge of instruction in Aruba let three criminal suspects off because the Dutch and people from Suriname have been taken advantage of by the Aruban legal system and this was Aruba’s form of jury nullification? Get a clue as to what you are talking about before you actually post, please.
R

#41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am

I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds was is now merge and no one seems to know where it is… so be patient and we shall see.
____________
SM: Logic, huh? LOL … now that’s humorous.
I guess you missed this picture, conveniently enough.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg
Fool, the family is not on trial … we all know who committed the crime against Natalee …

#43  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:27 am

ok lets look at the side of the perps.
Question. If you want to take out a girl to get laid, where would you go to do it knowing she has a roomate in he room? answer please

#44  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:30 am

also knowing that they have money and well dress for the night.

#48.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 4:19 am

I think I figured it all out but I am missing a peace of information… on what roud or rout did the father pickup joran and what is the town that joram live..

#71 Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.
The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”  <<Snipped this very, very long post, click here to read the whole thing - Comment #71.

#73  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 2:38 am

To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…
What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.

# 75  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 3:03 am

By the way, they neveer search the area I have pinted out to Zion and from the map it seems that for some reason they concentrated in the wrong area.. The places are very close from Joran Home… The problem is that these kid played the investigators so well and by using the tacktic I will cooperate with you by desiving you method. They used the term I did not lie to you but you is the one that did believe me technique. and since his Fatheer was a Judge the Investigator played by there tune.
Anyway more to come….

#76  Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am

I think I solve the mystery in this whole case.

#77 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am

To 10061906, you mention some places and from this I can determined that you do not know not a thing about aruba.. you could have said the Light House so that i could have prove you wrong…but anyway all your answers are wrong.

#78 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

I need the email for Beth Twitty, Does any one has her email address.
Thnks

BUMP the great exposure

[Anna]

Kermit,
I do see your froggie self in that photo of the Aruban dive boat, the only ones given access to the proceeds of the search.

Now those with reading comprehension problems will be claiming that you are saying you were on that boat with their usual lying selves!


 

[jen3560]

Anna - I believe someone was lying to Kyle about that.  I don't think Kyle made that up on his own....

He elaborated a bit - saying that he was hearing those investigators had nothing to do with the pond - but rather were there for an investigation of the investigation. 

Quote:

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)
--------

Again, according to Mos' office, there were NO investigators from Holland in Aruba with this or any other regard.  This is just a lie.

BTW, I do see Debbie reading here and know she was privy to the emails I did get, the ones which HotShit and Voldemort claim never happened.  It did happen and I am not lying about that at all.

Several people do know this as well.

[Kermit]

Kermit,
I do see your froggie self in that photo of the Aruban dive boat, the only ones given access to the proceeds of the search.

Now those with reading comprehension problems will be claiming that you are saying you were on that boat with their usual lying selves!


 

Yes, you are so right and Pita will be hesitant to copy it for herself to post elsewhere cuz it contains a frog! heh heh

[Tamikosmom]

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

March 30 - KYLE now matches up with what CAPS has been saying about the search and there being a legitimate witness

One has to wonder why John Silvetti and Kyle protected Caps/witness.

Kermit

I believe that on the SM open forum Kyle Kingman was not rocking the John Silvetti boat and ... to an extent ... playing the game.  However ... his heartfelt concerns on the Caps/pond issues were revealed in posts to the Natalee Freebirds' private site.

Kermit ... did Kyle ever mention the name "Shipley" when he was referring to the the FBI agent who came to Aruba?  My speculation was the FBI agent could have been Eric Williams.  I am probably barking up the wrong tree.

GOOD MORNING ALL

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Janet

+++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle Kingman: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand.

[Kermit]

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

March 30 - KYLE now matches up with what CAPS has been saying about the search and there being a legitimate witness

One has to wonder why John Silvetti and Kyle protected Caps/witness.

Kermit

I believe that on the SM open forum Kyle Kingman was not rocking the John Silvetti boat and ... to an extent ... playing the game.  However ... his heartfelt concerns on the Caps/pond issues were revealed in posts to the Natalee Freebirds' private site.

Kermit ... did Kyle ever mention the name "Shipley" when he was referring to the the FBI agent who came to Aruba?  My speculation was the FBI agent could have been Eric Williams.  I am probably barking up the wrong tree.

GOOD MORNING ALL

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Janet

+++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle Kingman: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand.

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

From what I recall being told, Agent Williams gave a statement to FBI and then was never heard from again.

[Anna]

Anna - I believe someone was lying to Kyle about that.  I don't think Kyle made that up on his own....

He elaborated a bit - saying that he was hearing those investigators had nothing to do with the pond - but rather were there for an investigation of the investigation. 

Quote:

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)
--------

Again, according to Mos' office, there were NO investigators from Holland in Aruba with this or any other regard.  This is just a lie.

BTW, I do see Debbie reading here and know she was privy to the emails I did get, the ones which HotShit and Voldemort claim never happened.  It did happen and I am not lying about that at all.

Several people do know this as well.

Well, they weren't there at all which explains why no news coverage of their arrival or presence.

So when and why did Kyle start to tell Caps' lies for him I wonder.

[jen3560]

I think that was told to Kyle by Silvetti........................who we all know was palling around with Caps.

As to whose idea it was to start that lie, or the reasons behind it, - Caps or Silvetti..........I don't have a clue.

Anna - I believe someone was lying to Kyle about that.  I don't think Kyle made that up on his own....

He elaborated a bit - saying that he was hearing those investigators had nothing to do with the pond - but rather were there for an investigation of the investigation. 

Quote:

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)
--------

Again, according to Mos' office, there were NO investigators from Holland in Aruba with this or any other regard.  This is just a lie.

BTW, I do see Debbie reading here and know she was privy to the emails I did get, the ones which HotShit and Voldemort claim never happened.  It did happen and I am not lying about that at all.

Several people do know this as well.

Well, they weren't there at all which explains why no news coverage of their arrival or presence.

So when and why did Kyle start to tell Caps' lies for him I wonder.