Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09 - 3/19/09

[Tamikosmom]

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

March 30 - KYLE now matches up with what CAPS has been saying about the search and there being a legitimate witness

One has to wonder why John Silvetti and Kyle protected Caps/witness.

Kermit

I believe that on the SM open forum Kyle Kingman was not rocking the John Silvetti boat and ... to an extent ... playing the game.  However ... his heartfelt concerns on the Caps/pond issues were revealed in posts to the Natalee Freebirds' private site.

Kermit ... did Kyle ever mention the name "Shipley" when he was referring to the the FBI agent who came to Aruba?  My speculation was the FBI agent could have been Eric Williams.  I am probably barking up the wrong tree.

GOOD MORNING ALL

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle Kingman: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand.

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

From what I recall being told, Agent Williams gave a statement to FBI and then was never heard from again.

Kermit ... I am working on something and ... would appreciate it you could tell me if Kyle Kingman specifically named "Shipley" as the FBI agent who came to Aruba in regards to the pond search.

Thanks

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

CAPS HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!!  CAPS HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!!

I can't say with 100% certainty that Caps and Anonimo are the same person but the writing style is the same.  They were both posting from Aruba as well. 

More comparisons are in the works!

Good Night Klaas.

Janet

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ANONIMO - DO NOT COMPUTE

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am

I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds was is now merge and no one seems to know where it is… so be patient and we shall see.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


CAPSLOCKWIZARD - DO NOT COMPUTE

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #547 on: November 18, 2008, 01:43:06 PM »

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....

look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.

cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg547289#msg547289


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #1004 on: April 04, 2008, 03:36:48 AM »

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg370835#msg370835

BUMPED

[nimrod]

O/T but I was surpised by how this skull looks:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18951778/detail.html



Skull Found On Top Of Grave In Cemetery
Posted: 4:42 pm EDT March 17, 2009
Updated: 4:48 pm EDT March 17, 2009

VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. -- A human skull was found Tuesday in a Volusia County cemetery, but not underground. The skull was found in the Pinewood Cemetery in Daytona Beach and police were trying to figure out where the skull came from.

They expected to find something disturbed, but they didn't. No open graves and no vandalism. Officers said it wasn't hidden in the back corner of the property; it was close enough to reach out and touch.

(snipped)

Skulduggery
Tim Miller saw a skull
Kyle saw a skull
John believed Caps/witness.
Louis Schaefer sells off to a documentary for money

while Natalee is still gone..............

I really wish that I could see a skull but, I don't. I think that Joran was telling the truth when he said "someone " took Natalee out to sea (I'd guess about 10-15 miles) and merely dumped her body overboard. That is my theory and I will stick to it until proven otherwise.The Pesistence folks were guilty of somthing allright but, I can't force myself to believe they would knowingly give up Natalee's body to anyone. Kyle's words and Cap's words have nothing to do where Natalee is right now and is a waste of time in finding Natalee. IMO

nimrod,
aka houston,
aka chopper
w/ love to the Freebirds as they once were

[Kermit]

Anna - I believe someone was lying to Kyle about that.  I don't think Kyle made that up on his own....

He elaborated a bit - saying that he was hearing those investigators had nothing to do with the pond - but rather were there for an investigation of the investigation. 

Quote:

May 14 - Kyle tells us 40 investigators from Holland are in Aruba for this (John has been summoned asap to Aruba)
--------

Again, according to Mos' office, there were NO investigators from Holland in Aruba with this or any other regard.  This is just a lie.

BTW, I do see Debbie reading here and know she was privy to the emails I did get, the ones which HotShit and Voldemort claim never happened.  It did happen and I am not lying about that at all.

Several people do know this as well.

Well, they weren't there at all which explains why no news coverage of their arrival or presence.

So when and why did Kyle start to tell Caps' lies for him I wonder.

Anna, just so you know I do not believe one word that ******* said/says about you. He has proven himself to be untrustworthy. I told you long ago I stand with Anna. There was a reason. I had seen enough lies he was spreading about you and also the fact that Hotshot is stalking you etc.

I also had previously thought that texasmom was involved with them, UNTIL I saw the information to the contrary and that showed me she was not only trustworthy, but she had integrity beyond measure.

I just wanted you to know.

[Anna]

Agent Eric Williams remains a very sinister character in all of this to me as well.

Could he have been the person referred to throughout as the crooked FBI agent with them having the wrong agency?  Was he truly retired as speculated?  Owned a house in Aruba that he bought from Julia Renfro or her family.  Her mother once posted at RU to "leave him alone" which makes me want to bother him, lol.

[Magnolia]

I am still wondering if SS (Susan E. Smith) is related to Rob Smith of AHATA.

I know that there are millions of Smiths, but her complete devotion to Caps
raises the hinkey meter.

[Tamikosmom]

Now that it has been established by the post submitted by Lifesong revealing that Anomino and Caps are the same person ... the following words should cause Caps' followers to pause and really think.

The following post reveals that Caps/Anomino is an obvious adherece to the Aruban agenda ... the ATA/AHATA agenda ... the Mark Purcell agenda ... the Julia Renfro agenda and ... the Rene Gielen agenda of undermining Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation but sparing Dave Holloway.

Caps ALSO upholds agendas that cast doubt on the Mountain Brook students ... agendas adhered to by all of the above.

Janet

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ANOMINO AKA CAPLOCKWIZARD


Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.

Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.

I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.

As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case.  You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?

Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.

There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.

Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.

I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.

Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?

The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.

The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.

Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.

Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.

Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?

“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”

How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.

If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.

Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.

Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.

This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

[/quote]

BUMPED!!

[Tamikosmom]

I am still wondering if SS (Susan E. Smith) is related to Rob Smith of AHATA.

I know that there are millions of Smiths, but her complete devotion to Caps
raises the hinkey meter.

 

When an Aruban connection is considered ....

Janet

[jen3560]

I am still wondering if SS (Susan E. Smith) is related to Rob Smith of AHATA.

I know that there are millions of Smiths, but her complete devotion to Caps
raises the hinkey meter.

That is a very good question, Magnolia!!

[Keepthefaith]

O/T but I was surpised by how this skull looks:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18951778/detail.html



Skull Found On Top Of Grave In Cemetery
Posted: 4:42 pm EDT March 17, 2009
Updated: 4:48 pm EDT March 17, 2009

VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. -- A human skull was found Tuesday in a Volusia County cemetery, but not underground. The skull was found in the Pinewood Cemetery in Daytona Beach and police were trying to figure out where the skull came from.

They expected to find something disturbed, but they didn't. No open graves and no vandalism. Officers said it wasn't hidden in the back corner of the property; it was close enough to reach out and touch.

(snipped)

Skulduggery
Tim Miller saw a skull
Kyle saw a skull
John believed Caps/witness.
Louis Schaefer sells off to a documentary for money

while Natalee is still gone..............

I really wish that I could see a skull but, I don't. I think that Joran was telling the truth when he said "someone " took Natalee out to sea (I'd guess about 10-15 miles) and merely dumped her body overboard. That is my theory and I will stick to it until proven otherwise.The Pesistence folks were guilty of somthing allright but, I can't force myself to believe they would knowingly give up Natalee's body to anyone. Kyle's words and Cap's words have nothing to do where Natalee is right now and is a waste of time in finding Natalee. IMO

nimrod,
aka houston,
aka chopper
w/ love to the Freebirds as they once were

 

[Magnolia]

I am still wondering if SS (Susan E. Smith) is related to Rob Smith of AHATA.

I know that there are millions of Smiths, but her complete devotion to Caps
raises the hinkey meter.

That is a very good question, Magnolia!!

Jen, I love your avi.  It is nice to have a visual of you.

[Tamikosmom]

CAPLOCKWIZARD EXPOSED!!!

Caps is an obvious adherence to the Aruban agenda ... the ATA/AHATA agenda ... the Mark Purcell agenda ... the Julia Renfro agenda and ... the Rene Gielen agenda ... the agenda to shift the focus of suspcion from the suspects to Beth and Jug.  They all tippy toe around negativity encompassing Dave Holloway.

Janet

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ANOMINO AKA CAPLOCKWIZARD


Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


JUG TWITTY

Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

TWITTY: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

[Anna]

Thank you Kermit.  I believe your posts as well as the other Freebirds who have come here to share this information.

Now with what Lifesong has found on Caps trying to promote the insurance scam theory under another alias, it is becoming more clear every day.

[Blue Moon]

HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
on: January 13, 2009, 06:04:13 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4363.msg624464#msg624464

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal.

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 
on: January 19, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4388.msg634711#msg634711

For people who are out for the good of other people, I think you should all take a look at the way you have been acting.  Not just the stuff you have been talking about me, but the whole scenario last night was very hurtful, and hateful.  To call one "crazy", in itself is degrading.  Stop bringing up things that happened in the past that degrades people.  You don't know the whole story, you were not there, so don't speak of it as being actual.  You hear it from one person and hold that to being true?  No, there are 3 sides.  Mine, yours, and the truth.  Even if I were to talk about what happened, would you believe me?  "NO".  So why even try, I know it's not worth the time.  But to state some of the other things like my website has "who evers" name in the chat box is just ludicrist.  I had not even been there for the last few weeks, so to think I put "who evers" name in there is just plain silly.  I personally am not here for any of you, I am here for Natalee, to help get to the bottom of things.  If it means going back to do things I needed to do, then so be it.  Don't make fun of it, at least I was doing something.  Yes, I am one of those people who truely do think she was in that trap.  Why are you poking at that?  I never said I didn't think it to be true.  I also believe in CAPS, even though you want to burn him at the stakes.  NO Klaas, I don't want to be the "show", nor do I want to MAKE you believe what I believe.  To be at SM used to be something to strive for to be with others in the know, and help to find Natalee.  Recently, it has become a repeatative source of info about Kyle/Silvetti/Schafer.  Kermit, if you have something to say, SAY IT.  You always have more coming, well SPIT IT OUT!  You all poke fun at that when someone else states something like that, what makes her so different?  People are clinging on to your every word, like your some kind of God, so tell them what you know.  You all (4) quit the Freebirds to come here, do something.  Speaking about the Freebirds, theres yet another time you all took for granted you knew what was going on when you saw the picture of me and Croes.  You didn't even ask of why I was there, just stuck me down from out of no-where. Threw me out!  But Thanks to that I have met one of the finest people I could ever meet, Stephanie Good.  She is still a dear friend to me today.   Dave knew why I was there, thats all that counts.  Beth knew all that happened also, after the fact, and still applauds it.  They needed new faces down there and still do.  I had been talking to some of the perps since day 3.  To get just one piece of info was of the utmost importance.  Did you all take that into consideration?  You talk about how I have the Kalpoes on my site, and how they took over my identity, yes not only did they do that on Zorpia, but one of them did it to me right here on SM one night.  Go ahead and call me "crazy" again.  But they had my name, my sign in, we were both on at the same time, however he was one step ahead of me.  Talking about Venezuela, and chasing the car.  How would I even know anything about that?  It was being talked about as it was happening.  No-one here chose to believe that, and thats fine.  I know what happened, again I don't have to explain.  Yes, at one point I too was a FreeBird, was asked to go to the meeting in Alabama.  I chose not to go.  I chose to stay with SM and do my part here.  Go to the Boycotts, and help where ever I could.  Again don't poke fun at that, I was out there doing something.  The Boston (5) didn't come from No where, and we are the ones who originated them.  No Klaas I don't want to be the first person to come up with things.  It's nice to know that I did though.  Did those week-ends help?  Yes they did.

JMO and only MO

bump

I would say Hotshot is collaberating with Stephanie Good for a book first off (Isn't that who helped Dave produce his book?).  2nd I would say that BNH and it's unsavory members there worked with Robin to bring this all about.  Dave I do not feel had any idea what was going on in that private hidy-hole (JMO).  Too many people on the outside wanting to get inside helped the Persistance and Aruba pull this off.  End game is:  NO MORE REMAINS, CASE CLOSED.

[Tamikosmom]

I really wish that I could see a skull but, I don't. I think that Joran was telling the truth when he said "someone " took Natalee out to sea (I'd guess about 10-15 miles) and merely dumped her body overboard. That is my theory and I will stick to it until proven otherwise.The Pesistence folks were guilty of somthing allright but, I can't force myself to believe they would knowingly give up Natalee's body to anyone. Kyle's words and Cap's words have nothing to do where Natalee is right now and is a waste of time in finding Natalee. IMO

nimrod,
aka houston,
aka chopper
w/ love to the Freebirds as they once were

Houston

Do you honestly believe that all of Kyle Kingman's own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds were fabricated in regards the implication that John Silvetti betrayed Natalee Holloway ... the family and ... those who prayfully and monetarily supported the Persistence deception?

 

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Kaplan Industry website http://kaplanindustry.com/ still states it's under construction.  Location of the corporation may be why no contracts can be found.

KAPLAN INDUSTRY - Panama SA, AV Norte Octava Calle 64
URB Industrial Los Angeles Local 1, Panama
507-279-0579 (Us Cell) 305-970-6022 (Vzla Cell) 58-414-670-6933
vince@kaplanindustry.com

Info on Panamanian Corporations

http://www.lawyers-abogados.net/en/Services/corporations-panama.htm

Info on Panama Offshore Corporations

4th point midway on page:

Panama does not allow scrutiny of corporate books and records of Panama corporations. Corporate books are maintained 100% private and confidential by law.

http://www.ibcsonline.com/panama_corporation.htm

[Tamikosmom]

HotShot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 -
on: January 13, 2009, 06:04:13 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4363.msg624464#msg624464

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal.

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 
on: January 19, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4388.msg634711#msg634711

For people who are out for the good of other people, I think you should all take a look at the way you have been acting.  Not just the stuff you have been talking about me, but the whole scenario last night was very hurtful, and hateful.  To call one "crazy", in itself is degrading.  Stop bringing up things that happened in the past that degrades people.  You don't know the whole story, you were not there, so don't speak of it as being actual.  You hear it from one person and hold that to being true?  No, there are 3 sides.  Mine, yours, and the truth.  Even if I were to talk about what happened, would you believe me?  "NO".  So why even try, I know it's not worth the time.  But to state some of the other things like my website has "who evers" name in the chat box is just ludicrist.  I had not even been there for the last few weeks, so to think I put "who evers" name in there is just plain silly.  I personally am not here for any of you, I am here for Natalee, to help get to the bottom of things.  If it means going back to do things I needed to do, then so be it.  Don't make fun of it, at least I was doing something.  Yes, I am one of those people who truely do think she was in that trap.  Why are you poking at that?  I never said I didn't think it to be true.  I also believe in CAPS, even though you want to burn him at the stakes.  NO Klaas, I don't want to be the "show", nor do I want to MAKE you believe what I believe.  To be at SM used to be something to strive for to be with others in the know, and help to find Natalee.  Recently, it has become a repeatative source of info about Kyle/Silvetti/Schafer.  Kermit, if you have something to say, SAY IT.  You always have more coming, well SPIT IT OUT!  You all poke fun at that when someone else states something like that, what makes her so different?  People are clinging on to your every word, like your some kind of God, so tell them what you know.  You all (4) quit the Freebirds to come here, do something.  Speaking about the Freebirds, theres yet another time you all took for granted you knew what was going on when you saw the picture of me and Croes.  You didn't even ask of why I was there, just stuck me down from out of no-where. Threw me out!  But Thanks to that I have met one of the finest people I could ever meet, Stephanie Good.  She is still a dear friend to me today.   Dave knew why I was there, thats all that counts.  Beth knew all that happened also, after the fact, and still applauds it.  They needed new faces down there and still do.  I had been talking to some of the perps since day 3.  To get just one piece of info was of the utmost importance.  Did you all take that into consideration?  You talk about how I have the Kalpoes on my site, and how they took over my identity, yes not only did they do that on Zorpia, but one of them did it to me right here on SM one night.  Go ahead and call me "crazy" again.  But they had my name, my sign in, we were both on at the same time, however he was one step ahead of me.  Talking about Venezuela, and chasing the car.  How would I even know anything about that?  It was being talked about as it was happening.  No-one here chose to believe that, and thats fine.  I know what happened, again I don't have to explain.  Yes, at one point I too was a FreeBird, was asked to go to the meeting in Alabama.  I chose not to go.  I chose to stay with SM and do my part here.  Go to the Boycotts, and help where ever I could.  Again don't poke fun at that, I was out there doing something.  The Boston (5) didn't come from No where, and we are the ones who originated them.  No Klaas I don't want to be the first person to come up with things.  It's nice to know that I did though.  Did those week-ends help?  Yes they did.

JMO and only MO

bump

I would say Hotshot is collaberating with Stephanie Good for a book first off (Isn't that who helped Dave produce his book?).  2nd I would say that BNH and it's unsavory members there worked with Robin to bring this all about.  Dave I do not feel had any idea what was going on in that private hidy-hole (JMO).  Too many people on the outside wanting to get inside helped the Persistance and Aruba pull this off.  End game is:  NO MORE REMAINS, CASE CLOSED.

THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP!

The sad thing ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... it could never have happened without John Silvetti ... an American citizen.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

[Tamikosmom]

EDIT:

it could never have happened without John Silvetti.

[sharon]

Thanks none. 

I really think I'm stuck on a Rudolf reindeer though.  One with a REALLY BIG LONG NOSE  would be just perfect.

You crack me up

 

[jen3560]

I really wish that I could see a skull but, I don't. I think that Joran was telling the truth when he said "someone " took Natalee out to sea (I'd guess about 10-15 miles) and merely dumped her body overboard. That is my theory and I will stick to it until proven otherwise.The Pesistence folks were guilty of somthing allright but, I can't force myself to believe they would knowingly give up Natalee's body to anyone. Kyle's words and Cap's words have nothing to do where Natalee is right now and is a waste of time in finding Natalee. IMO

nimrod,
aka houston,
aka chopper
w/ love to the Freebirds as they once were

chopper - I agree with the highlighted above..............................to a point.

If Persistence folks can be made to disclose all their information (including ship logs containing identification of two of the three Aruban divers from Jan 7th who had been aboard Persistence on the 3oth), then I believe there is still hope.

There is still hope in determining WHO those divers are, and WHERE they put all that they recovered from that cage on Jan 7th.