Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09 - 3/19/09

[Buckeye]

Could you post the "blame Joran" post in red, so I don't miss it??  I'm not good at the business connections so I sometimes skim.   

[Lifesong]

Caps was blaming the USA over a year ago.  Seems some are a little late to the party.

If I see a post where he blames Joran, I'll be sure and post it...   


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1139 on: January 24, 2008, 09:04:16 PM »

"I need a name for an USA CASINO MOB BOS war planner Planner that is connected or have links to the FBI or DEA

No kiddnaper because no kidnap,

..."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg331977#msg331977

He called out on it immediately too:

Casa
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1141 on: January 24, 2008, 09:15:31 PM »

So you like others are blaming this on someone from the USA and absolving anyone from Aruba?  Where have we heard this before?  I admit this is a different approach though!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg331979#msg331979

[klaasend]

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[Buckeye]

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Sheesh....the kid is going to get the wrong info regarding the scientific process:

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-66525/Detail

[Lifesong]

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Sheesh....the kid is going to get the wrong info regarding the scientific process:

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-66525/Detail

[Buckeye]

Thank you Lifesong.

[Buckeye]

That bag might not be big enough for some heads...

[texasmom]

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I think she's serious too...that's the scary part.   

 

Wonder what Kyle would have to say about all of that.   

[Tamikosmom]

Do Lou and Johan honestly believe that their expertise in analyzing the ROV images exceeds that of Kyle Kingman.

I am a believe in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingsman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:
 
Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


Kyle Kingman
Geophysicist and Marine Geologist
Greater New York City Area

Current Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Past Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Education Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick


Kyle Kingman’s Summary
Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

BUMPED

[Tamikosmom]

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I think she's serious too...that's the scary part.   

 

Wonder what Kyle would have to say about all of that.   

Lou and Johan

You must believe that Kyle Kingman's own words were all fabricated.  There is not another way to explain your contradictory analysis of the trap and its contents.

Janet

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THE SKULL

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

[klaasend]

That bag might not be big enough for some heads...

 

[hotping]

Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys!


New Lifetime Movie to Spotlight Missing Teen
By Kristin Brzoznowski
Published: March 18, 2009
LOS ANGELES: The true story of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teen who vanished while vacationing in Aruba, is the backdrop of a new Lifetime Movie Network original film.

Tracy Pollan of Law & Order: SVU stars as Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother. Alongside Pollan are Grant Show (Swingtown) as Beth's husband, Catherine Dent (The Shield) as Beth's best friend and newcomer Amy Gumenick as Natalee. The movie is based on Twitty's book, Natalee Holloway: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith.

Natalee Holloway will premiere on April 19 at 8 p.m. on Lifetime Movie Network. Immediately following the film, the channel will air a special public service announcement featuring Beth Twitty about how to remain safe while traveling abroad. Natalee Holloway is produced by Sony Pictures Television for Lifetime Television.

 

http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/display/20187

[Anna]

I have some Zip Lock bags that are one inch by two inch that have loose gemstones I got in S. America.  Sounds about right for the brain of some people.  Yes, it is very scary that they are serious in thinking baggies only come in one size when every grocery store has several.

Have to agree that not even the larger ones would hold the big headed egos of some people who always know more than the experts on any given subject when in reality they are so wrong every time.


Remember the lecture we got on cadaver dogs and scents from armpits which are used by only S&R or tracking dogs!  Totally WRONG on all counts but went on and on and on about it.

[Tamikosmom]

Lou and Johan

When Kyle Kingman's position on board the Persistence is considered ... it could be assumed that his "opinion" is derived from a foundation that reflects his field of expertise. 

Janet

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A REMINDER

ROV ANALYSIS - TRAP AND SAMPLIES

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull

Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:  I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman: … John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys!


New Lifetime Movie to Spotlight Missing Teen
By Kristin Brzoznowski
Published: March 18, 2009
LOS ANGELES: The true story of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an American teen who vanished while vacationing in Aruba, is the backdrop of a new Lifetime Movie Network original film.

Tracy Pollan of Law & Order: SVU stars as Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother. Alongside Pollan are Grant Show (Swingtown) as Beth's husband, Catherine Dent (The Shield) as Beth's best friend and newcomer Amy Gumenick as Natalee. The movie is based on Twitty's book, Natalee Holloway: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith.

Natalee Holloway will premiere on April 19 at 8 p.m. on Lifetime Movie Network. Immediately following the film, the channel will air a special public service announcement featuring Beth Twitty about how to remain safe while traveling abroad. Natalee Holloway is produced by Sony Pictures Television for Lifetime Television.

http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/display/20187

 

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas, do you still have that picture of the cage with the diagional measurment
on it?  Isn't it 42" on the bias?

To calculate the diagonal you multiply the length of one side of the square by the square root of 2.

BUMPED!!

[Anna]

And no one is going to make me believe for one moment that Natalee's family approves of stalking posters, posters who have supported them from the time it was only a local rumor that one of the MB students had gone missing.  Stalking posters and even their children who are exactly Natalee's age or a few years older and on the same path Natalee would have traveled had she survived her trip to Aruba.

Stalking and trying to collect personal information that is none of their damned business.

At least I am 99% certain Beth would never go along with that kind of cheap behavior.  She has far far more class than that.

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.oisolutions.net/news.html



Offshore Innovative Solutions

May 2008: Mexico Job Demar/Pemex
4-1-08 to 4-18-08 OIS charted a boat from Gulf Fleet to head down to Del Carmen , Mexico to do a 20'' and 8'' p/l inspection. Using our Sub-Atlantic SuperMohawk with an Innovatum Smartrack and 704 Bathy with video overlay the crew inspected 25 Kilometers of 20'' p/l and approx. 1 kilometer of 8'' p/l along with Marsopa platform  riser inspections and rock bed survey. Check back soon for pictures.

2/26/08 OIS IS MOVING:
We are combining our Lafayette office and St. Martinville shop into one facility on Commission Boulevard in Lafayette just a block away from Southpark Industrial Parkway. The move will take place during the month of March. Our new address is 100-A Commission Blvd., Lafayette, LA 70508. The office phone numbers will remain the same.

12/15/2007 Offshore Innovative Solutions is currently part of the search for Natalie Holloway

More events and news to follow


But no news or updates since the search for Natalee......hmmmm

On OIS experience page there's a picture of a vessel, named Commander.  Since they manage their ROV equipment on chartered ships, this makes sense. 



Commander is owned by Adams.  See specs here:

http://www.adamsoffshore.net/pdf/occapplot.pdf

Last job news listed on OIS site mentions Gulf Fleet charter.  Gulf Fleet signed an agreement May, 2007 with an investment firm based in Miami.

http://www.gulffleet.com/site6.php

H.I.G. Capital Invests to Expand Gulf Fleet Management

May 1st, 2007-H.I.G. Capital, a leading Miami-based private equity firm, has announced it has completed a significant investment in Gulf Fleet. H.I.G. Capital is dedicated to management buyouts and recapitalization of middle market companies as well as growth equity investments.

H.I.G. partnered with management to consummate the transaction. "We are pleased to work with H.I.G. to leverage their oil patch experience and continue growing our business" said Mike Hillman, the Chief Executive Officer of Gulf Fleet Management. "The recapitalization of Gulf Fleet Management allows us to continue growing our fleet of first-class vessels, and gives us the flexibility to follow our customers from Brazil to Alaska, from West Africa to the North Sea, and throughout Shallow and Deep Water assignments in the Gulf of Mexico." For more information about H.I.G. please see their website www.higcapital.com .

more here about the news release:

http://www.higprivateequity.com/cms/NewsRelease.aspx?id=264

NOTE:  Contact info & address

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT:

Jeff Zanarini
jzanarini@higcapital.com

H.I.G. Capital, L.L.C.
1001 Brickell Bay Drive
Miami, FL 33131
(305) 379-2322

 

[Anna]

I never believed the Kalpoes parents owned any motel.  Nor that Patrick van der Em lived across the street from them and the dates given were long before Deepak and Satish arrived in Aruba.

But the idea that Jossy and even Julia attended a sex party where Natalee was killed fits the phrase I heard this morning.

Crazy as a Soup Sandwich!

[Anna]

2NJ,

Remember Grande?  I think you just entered his territory.  He was terrific at those corporate things and did a lot of work on the Bickell Bay connections.  I know they are just offices but still, contact is contact.