o/t

[Carnut]

No coverup, the ALE were misdirected for 10days and never were able to collect the evidence that might have proved J2K guilty.

yehs but i also say that they didnt had too lie.

Guess we'll just never know on that one.

Sure hate to see that $250,000.00 reward go to waste.

[kbm]

oke carnut...then forgot about the job....then i guess i didnt had that one good.

and yeh about the "maybe" unlike you guys i dont say "joran is guilty/unguilty" i say that its possible or that it maybe happended.
because theres not enough evidence to sentence him guilty.

Yes, when you get back to the 'evidence' thing, it's because J2K lied and got 2 security guards arrested and then the ALE never searched the J2K's for at least 10days after the disappearance.

yeh
i dont think thats a part of the cover-up.

No coverup, the ALE were misdirected for 10days and never were able to collect the evidence that might have proved J2K guilty.

yehs but i also say that they didnt had too lie.

So you say the time they already spent in jail was good enough for them having lied and misdirecting the case?

You don't think anyone should be charged with obstruction of justice or perjury for the lying?

yeh i do think....but then in the case the atorney would say that they were scarred and didnt know what to do etcetc.

[Anna]

How could Joran see Natalee's underwear well enough on the dark beach to describe the color of very dark blue and the design embroidered into them as he described them to her parents?

I think he was somewhere with plenty of bright light to do that.  Unless he can see in the dark??  

How did Deepak know Natalee only had $50 on her that night as he told to Osman Osman of Automotive Enterprise?  Are they pick pockets or just how would he come to know the exact amount that she had in that manner?  Osman gave a statement that Deepak told him Natalee only had $50.  Guess he was hoping for more.
 
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no i dont think its a big point of seeing that in the dark....i can also see those things in dark in the beach for example.

Maybe when they played at the casino he discovered.....or maybe she just told him. (out off personal experience i also know often how much money my friends have with them   )

I think her navy blue underwear would look black at night except in bright light.  I never told some guy how much money I had.  Would think he might be a robber and would steal it.  Remember they only showed up a few minutes before closing time so don't think there was any reason to tell them if she had money or not.

Next day Paulus goes to bank not once but twice to deposit Joran's alleged casino winnings.  I wonder if $50 of it was in dollars.  Would love to see his deposit ticket.

 

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[kbm]

How could Joran see Natalee's underwear well enough on the dark beach to describe the color of very dark blue and the design embroidered into them as he described them to her parents?

I think he was somewhere with plenty of bright light to do that.  Unless he can see in the dark??  

How did Deepak know Natalee only had $50 on her that night as he told to Osman Osman of Automotive Enterprise?  Are they pick pockets or just how would he come to know the exact amount that she had in that manner?  Osman gave a statement that Deepak told him Natalee only had $50.  Guess he was hoping for more.
 
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no i dont think its a big point of seeing that in the dark....i can also see those things in dark in the beach for example.

Maybe when they played at the casino he discovered.....or maybe she just told him. (out off personal experience i also know often how much money my friends have with them   )

I think her navy blue underwear would look black at night except in bright light.  I never told some guy how much money I had.  Would think he might be a robber and would steal it.  Remember they only showed up a few minutes before closing time so don't think there was any reason to tell them if she had money or not.

Next day Paulus goes to bank not once but twice to deposit Joran's alleged casino winnings.  I wonder if $50 of it was in dollars.  Would love to see his deposit ticket.

 

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yeh but you dont know how the conversation went that dk know that she had 50$...did he already knew it in the casino or maybe in c&c?

[Carnut]

yeh but you dont know how the conversation went that dk know that she had 50$...did he already knew it in the casino or maybe in c&c?

Only JVDS saw Nat in the casino, Deepak was at work.

[kbm]

and about her underwear color: to me it doesnt say much.
i can see pretty good in dark. and maybe she showed him the color.
or he already knew in c&c.

[Carnut]

yeh but you dont know how the conversation went that dk know that she had 50$...did he already knew it in the casino or maybe in c&c?

Only JVDS saw Nat in the casino, Deepak was at work.

And if you look at the casino video JVDS wasn't talking to Nat he was sitting next to some other girls and talking to them.

[kbm]

yeh but you dont know how the conversation went that dk know that she had 50$...did he already knew it in the casino or maybe in c&c?

Only JVDS saw Nat in the casino, Deepak was at work.

oke
than maybe she just said it. i wasnt there

[Carnut]

and about her underwear color: to me it doesnt say much.
i can see pretty good in dark. and maybe she showed him the color.
or he already knew in c&c.

If you look at the pics of what Nat was wearing that last night you'd see she was wearing a rather tight jean skirt. No flopping around.

[kbm]

oke but its not logically that he would rob a girl

[Carnut]

oke but its not logically that he would rob a girl

Even less logical that he would know the money amount.

[Carnut]

Both Satish and Deepak claimed Nat never talked to them.

[Anna]

well Anna i dont drink , i dont smoke, i dont do drugs...im vegetarion.
dont worry about me  

Good for you!  My middle son is, too.  And RAW vegan mostly.  He is very thin and very picky about what he eats.  Mostly raw fruit and veggies but will eat cooked tomato sauce.   No dairy for him either.  He will eat egg whites only, no yoke.  Blueberries, strawberries, tomatoes, lettuce spinach etc. only perferably things not cooked, too.

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[kbm]

well Anna i dont drink , i dont smoke, i dont do drugs...im vegetarion.
dont worry about me  

Good for you!  My middle son is, too.  And RAW vegan mostly.  He is very thin and very picky about what he eats.  Mostly raw fruit and veggies but will eat cooked tomato sauce.   No dairy for him either.  He will eat egg whites only, no yoke.  Blueberries, strawberries, tomatoes, lettuce spinach etc. only perferably things not cooked, too.

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hehe me2
but in USA you also have a lot of veggie burgers and "fake meat", right?

[kbm]

oke but its not logically that he would rob a girl

Even less logical that he would know the money amount.

hehe i also dont rub my friens but i do know how much money the have with them (not always)

[Anna]

After the casino, Natalee went to dinner with her friends along on the trip from Mountain Brook.  They then went back to the rooms and freshened up a bit and the girls decided then to only take $50, their drivers license and key card, no purse, so they would not have to watch the purses.

This is right before they left for C&C so even they didn't know until the last moment how much money they would take along that last night.  The only way for any of J2K to know would just about have to be going through her pockets.  

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[mishy]

yeh oke anna ty,

but if you guys find it suspicious that Sander's cell phone was lost on sunday...and that Val was still awake so late.

then all the things of GvC are superrrrr suspicious

Only if he was following the J2K around in their travels that night.

KBM,
Have you heard anything about a white car following the Kalpoe car that night?

[kbm]

After the casino, Natalee went to dinner with her friends along on the trip from Mountain Brook.  They then went back to the rooms and freshened up a bit and the girls decided then to only take $50, their drivers license and key card, no purse, so they would not have to watch the purses.

This is right before they left for C&C so even they didn't know until the last moment how much money they would take along that last night.  The only way for any of J2K to know would just about have to be going through her pockets.  

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 no off course not. what if natalee ordered a drink and asked deepak too pay it first and then she pays him back laten. deepak:"why" natalee: "i only have 50$ and i dont want too break it for this 1$ drink"
so its not the only way to know

[kbm]

yeh oke anna ty,

but if you guys find it suspicious that Sander's cell phone was lost on sunday...and that Val was still awake so late.

then all the things of GvC are superrrrr suspicious

Only if he was following the J2K around in their travels that night.

KBM,
Have you heard anything about a white car following the Kalpoe car that night?

yeh now that you mention it. (it had bright on, right)
but maybe its false and not a fact

[mishy]

where did you hear about this white car following J2K/Natalee? Did you see it on that reenactment show? Or hear about it on the island?