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Carnut
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Reply #640 on:
October 29, 2006, 10:56:41 PM »
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Hi Carnut,
Just being "psychic"
You drive a Trans Am?
Nope, never owned one or driven one.
My Current Rides
Cars I have owned
Ah, the above are hot links to the rides, you click on them.
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October 30, 2006, 12:36:49 AM »
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kbm-
Red just posted this after listening to the Kalpoe brother's attorney David Kock on a radio interview tonight on Scared Monkeys radio. What might be your thoughts on this statement by Red?
So David Kock states that Deepak &/or Satish did not take JVDS home from the beach or any where on Aruba.
JVDS says they did.
We have an issue now dont we.
How can these 2 stories be so different?
So what do you think kbm?
That's easy, KBM thinks the K2's are lying and JVDS is telling the truth.
I didn't ask YOU carnut
I repeat my question to kbm
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Reply #642 on:
October 30, 2006, 01:39:16 AM »
I joined this thread late. I've just read 33 pages. Who is KBM - Kawish? During the first pages I thought it was a woman, then I figured out he is a man. How did he arrive at Scared Monkeys? This is a very interesting thread.
From the late night poster.
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Carnut
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October 30, 2006, 02:30:41 AM »
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I joined this thread late. I've just read 33 pages. Who is KBM - Kawish? During the first pages I thought it was a woman, then I figured out he is a man. How did he arrive at Scared Monkeys? This is a very interesting thread.
From the late night poster.
Well, it appears back on Oct 12, poster Florida made a post that claimed an individual named Kawish was seen the day after the disappearance at the casino with JVDS.
Poster KBM read that and got in touch with Red and joined the forum.
The KBM poster came on and posted asking Florida how she knew that Kawish was at the casino with JVDS that day.
KBM then claimed that Kawish was studing in Holland at the time.
KBM then in a series of posts identified himself as Kawish.
Several regular posters took him to task to prove he was Kawish.
It appears that Hotshot and Red accept KBM to be Kawish.
Several posters were put off by KBM's standing by the prevailing story of the arubans that it was anyone else but JVDS who disappeared Nat.
Several regular posters were seeing that KBM's postings appeared to reflect some of the stuff that has been seen in the past by Bondia, Glenda, Sandrak and others.
Some of us are corresponding with KBM just to gather a feel for how the folks in aruba may actually see the case and what happened.
Doesn't really matter who KBM is for real, it's just continued discussion of the case.
Several of the regulars on the Lively requested a separate O/T thread be setup because they felt it was disrupting the Lively and they had important case info to be discussed on the lively. I chuckled a bit at those claims, from what I've seen there lately.
Anyhow here we are where KBM can post answers to questions that are asked of him, and many of us are grateful that he deigns to do so.
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October 30, 2006, 02:33:21 AM »
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kbm-
Red just posted this after listening to the Kalpoe brother's attorney David Kock on a radio interview tonight on Scared Monkeys radio. What might be your thoughts on this statement by Red?
So David Kock states that Deepak &/or Satish did not take JVDS home from the beach or any where on Aruba.
JVDS says they did.
We have an issue now dont we.
How can these 2 stories be so different?
So what do you think kbm?
That's easy, KBM thinks the K2's are lying and JVDS is telling the truth.
I didn't ask YOU carnut
I repeat my question to kbm
None, KBM answered that question several pages back a couple of different times.
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Anna
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Reply #645 on:
October 30, 2006, 09:30:39 AM »
Carnut,
KBM couldn't have possibly answered in light of what David Koch just said last night. And several of us chuckle when we read here as well for it is entirely predictible and we have been down this path before.
Several times, in fact.
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Reply #646 on:
October 30, 2006, 09:47:25 AM »
Thank you Anna, for I don't believe kbm has heard what Kock said and since kbm avoids all questions I ask, I surely don't need carnut advocating that too
go to time-out carnut.....
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Reply #647 on:
October 30, 2006, 12:35:02 PM »
FROM Dana Pretzer's interview last night with David Kock:
Dana:
What do you make of Joran first saying that Deepak picked him up then Satish. Did your clients pick him up
David
No, not at all. They said they did not, that hasn't changed. YOu know that's one of the discrepancies, but they never indicated that they picked him up. It's a matter of elimination, you confront them and the story changes
Dana:
Joran's lawyer, Tacopina has claimed that after Deepak was released he sent a friend a message that Satish did pick him up
DAvid
No, when they say things and don't present the proof then you can't take that as fact
KBM
- according to David Kock neither Deepak or Satish picked up Joran that night.
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Reply #648 on:
October 30, 2006, 12:45:30 PM »
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FROM Dana Pretzer's interview last night with David Kock:
Dana:
What do you make of Joran first saying that Deepak picked him up then Satish. Did your clients pick him up
David
No, not at all. They said they did not, that hasn't changed. YOu know that's one of the discrepancies, but they never indicated that they picked him up. It's a matter of elimination, you confront them and the story changes
Dana:
Joran's lawyer, Tacopina has claimed that after Deepak was released he sent a friend a message that Satish did pick him up
DAvid
No, when they say things and don't present the proof then you can't take that as fact
KBM
- according to David Kock neither Deepak or Satish picked up Joran that night.
yeh according to tacopina one of them did pick him up.
so one is lying.
but i think the lawyers are now doing everything.
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Reply #649 on:
October 30, 2006, 12:53:21 PM »
why do you think one of them is lying? TIA
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Reply #650 on:
October 30, 2006, 01:08:50 PM »
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why do you think one of them is lying? TIA
because if one of them is telling the truth...then the other is lying.
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October 30, 2006, 01:41:50 PM »
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why do you think one of them is lying? TIA
because if one of them is telling the truth...then the other is lying.
let me rephrase my question then, what would be the motivation for one brother to lie and the other not to lie? Brothers are typically very close, so why would one lie and not the other?
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why do you think one of them is lying? TIA
because if one of them is telling the truth...then the other is lying.
let me rephrase my question then, what would be the motivation for one brother to lie and the other not to lie? Brothers are typically very close, so why would one lie and not the other?
oh no i mean its 2k "against" j
not one brother against the other
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kawish,
thanks for your honest answer back. the problem I have with this is that Kock represents two much less powerful clients than Joran and his father, so I truly do not believe thinking logically here - that the Kalpoe's can afford to lie about Joran and get away with that. I don't think Kock is a fool either, I think he knows who has the greatest guilt in this or he would not be doing shows or radio discussions either.
Kock is not as powerful as Paulus von der Sloot in Aruba, but because K2 are willing to disagree with Joran is why I suspect they are no longer friends.
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October 30, 2006, 01:55:19 PM »
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why do you think one of them is lying? TIA
because if one of them is telling the truth...then the other is lying.
let me rephrase my question then, what would be the motivation for one brother to lie and the other not to lie? Brothers are typically very close, so why would one lie and not the other?
oh no i mean its 2k "against" j
not one brother against the other
Well, Val was up at 3am. Could you IM him and ask if he heard Deepak's car?...or, what was going on to keep him up so late?? TY
By the way, how was your test??
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Reply #655 on:
October 30, 2006, 02:10:07 PM »
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kawish,
thanks for your honest answer back. the problem I have with this is that Kock represents two much less powerful clients than Joran and his father, so I truly do not believe thinking logically here - that the Kalpoe's can afford to lie about Joran and get away with that. I don't think Kock is a fool either, I think he knows who has the greatest guilt in this or he would not be doing shows or radio discussions either.
Kock is not as powerful as Paulus von der Sloot in Aruba, but because K2 are willing to disagree with Joran is why I suspect they are no longer friends.
well i dont think that 2k and Kock are less powerfull than joran and his father. but i do know that if 2k accomplishes (could be with lies) to let the judges believe that they have not picked joran up at the beach ....than all the attention goes to joran. and then 2k is already unguilty....and they dont care about joran.
and why would joran lie that they picked him up....because even if they picked him up then there still not guilty of doing anything to natalee.
so i think joran just told the truth but 2k doesnt want to be more involved.
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October 30, 2006, 02:12:53 PM »
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why do you think one of them is lying? TIA
because if one of them is telling the truth...then the other is lying.
let me rephrase my question then, what would be the motivation for one brother to lie and the other not to lie? Brothers are typically very close, so why would one lie and not the other?
oh no i mean its 2k "against" j
not one brother against the other
Well, Val was up at 3am. Could you IM him and ask if he heard Deepak's car?...or, what was going on to keep him up so late?? TY
By the way, how was your test??
im dont have his email....even if i would have it than i dont think its such a good idea to ask al those things to him.
and my test didnt went verry well
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Reply #657 on:
October 30, 2006, 02:23:57 PM »
Sorry to hear about the test. What was it over??
Didn't think you'd contact Val, but isn't it interesting that he was awake??
I can only think of a couple reasons that Joran would tell three different stories of how he got home:
1) He was always at his home so didn't get a ride at all or
2) He got a ride home by someone he wants to keep out of it...either a very good friend/family member or someone he's scared of.
He's already admitted to being the last one with Natalee so the part of being the last, cannot be a reason.
What do you think.
I don't know how old your sister is, but if she wanted to date Joran, would your parents let her?? What advise would you give her?? TIA
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October 30, 2006, 02:31:26 PM »
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Sorry to hear about the test. What was it over??
Didn't think you'd contact Val, but isn't it interesting that he was awake??
I can only think of a couple reasons that Joran would tell three different stories of how he got home:
1) He was always at his home so didn't get a ride at all or
2) He got a ride home by someone he wants to keep out of it...either a very good friend/family member or someone he's scared of.
He's already admitted to being the last one with Natalee so the part of being the last, cannot be a reason.
What do you think.
I don't know how old your sister is, but if she wanted to date Joran, would your parents let her?? What advise would you give her?? TIA
my test was about "management&organisation"
no maybe satish really picked him up i dont know
and yeh he admitted to have see natalee as the last person.....but he doesnt know if somebody else saw her after he left her.
and yeh why wouldnt a parent let his/her daughter date joran....he's really nice to girls.
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Satish was the third version. Why three different versions?? Another one of those odd things.
I don't think Rika's parents were too thrilled with Joran.
I'm a little nervous about Joran because the Dutch behavioralists and FBI profilers described very scary traits. You know, some people are very good at looking like one thing on the outside and being very different when alone. Lots of the serial killers were very charismatic. And now that I think about it....they are known for their ability to lie...eeeeek
Can't help you with the management stuff...not my field..
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