Natalee Case Discussion #809 3/19/09 - 3/21/09

[Keepthefaith]

A little birdie from the Florida area just told me that this is not a well known publication, fwiw.

I hope Fox news isn't being duped too...

We'll probably see CapsLockWizard holding a Donkey-Bone...I swear!I found it in Moko,No montanja,no monseratt,,no,no reallly...

[jen3560]

Jen - yes I think Shango may have been from that area but I'm sure just coincidence. 

Thanks Klaas.

Isn't this also the area Jorge Pesquera landed after leaving Aruba?

[jen3560]

Jen - yes I think Shango may have been from that area but I'm sure just coincidence. 

Thanks Klaas.

Isn't this also the area Jorge Pesquera landed after leaving Aruba?

Let me just add the links we know of to that area.............

Shango was Broward

Pesquera is Palm Beach

Gabriel Leo and Jairo Dirksen (iirc) Broward

Charles John Croes  Miami

Charles Croes has Miami family

Jossy has addresses in Miami -- and maybe Broward

[klaasend]

From the guy who broke the news.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2009/03/natalee_holloway_body_found_aruba.php


Tom Francis says:

As I said, details remain very vague. We're trying to get specifics. I must protect the anonymity of my source, so I can't publicize the flight number or time. In short, I can't elaborate beyond what we already have, but I assure you we're working on it.

This is not a hoax. And as everyone knows, there have been a number of false leads in the case. When we know one way or the other, we'll let you know.

charlierat says:
Sady, if this is indeed Natalee's body, they still have to determine the cause of death and, if it is due to foul play, there still has to be a forensic link to Joran (or someone else, for that matter) before anyone can be arrested.

Still, I hope that this is the brek we have all been waiting for. I'm not holding my breath this time, though.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 20 2009 @ 3:26PM

 

klaasend says:
Charlierat - where were you May 29-30th 2005?

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 20 2009 @ 3:31PM

[Blue Moon]

It is extremely hard to concentrate on work when this is in Natalee thread and also what is going on in Haleigh thread and then also the docs release in Caylee thread.

I, like the rest of you, will not get my hopes up.  Makes no sense a dog was sent over and remains found.  Would not need dog if they know where remains are.

[oldiebutgoodie]

I would just like to see Natalee brought home. Then we can think about what happens after that. Just give Beth her girl back.

[bastibro]

The author of the article Tom Francis says:

As I said, details remain very vague. We're trying to get specifics. I must protect the anonymity of my source, so I can't publicize the flight number or time. In short, I can't elaborate beyond what we already have, but I assure you we're working on it.

This is not a hoax. And as everyone knows, there have been a number of false leads in the case. When we know one way or the other, we'll let you know.

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 20 2009 @ 2:58PM

[Edward]

 

[jen3560]

Anna - How would you feel about making contact with Mos' office? 

[klaasend]

Jen - yes I think Shango may have been from that area but I'm sure just coincidence. 

Thanks Klaas.

Isn't this also the area Jorge Pesquera landed after leaving Aruba?

Let me just add the links we know of to that area.............

Shango was Broward

Pesquera is Palm Beach

Gabriel Leo and Jairo Dirksen (iirc) Broward

Charles John Croes  Miami

Charles Croes has Miami family

Jossy has addresses in Miami -- and maybe Broward

Broward County:



http://floridacastles.net/Broward.html

[Anna]

A little birdie from the Florida area just told me that this is not a well known publication, fwiw.

I hope Fox news isn't being duped too...

IMO, I don't think Fox cares if it's duped.  It's BOMBSHELL news if true and oops if false.

The NY Post once carried inaccurate information and misquoted friends of Natalee and Fox and Friends repeated it as though gospel on their morning program.  I recall furiously emailing them to no avail, however.

The NYPost has been totally unreliable on this all along.

I tihnk Shepherd Smith also carried one of their bogus stories and we all furiously emailed him as well.

Does anyone else recall that happening?

[Lifesong]

Caps doesn't have a new job as an airline attendant does he?   

 

[Tamikosmom]

A little birdie from the Florida area just told me that this is not a well known publication, fwiw.

I hope Fox news isn't being duped too...

We'll probably see CapsLockWizard holding a Donkey-Bone...I swear!I found it in Moko,No montanja,no monseratt,,no,no reallly...

... or the cemetery.  Anywhere but the ocean.

 

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Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

71.  Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

TEST LOGIG SENARIO 1:

In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two ways.

1. In the grounds. But this procedure has stop due to not enough cemetery.

2. In a Kelder. A Kelder is a place above ground with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar inside a Cemetery. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.

Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.

There are several (7) CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot. From those seven, three is close from my analysis and from those 3, the one in Noord is to visible and no high walls. The one in Ponton/ Oranjestad is in public site from the front but from the back it has possibilities. The one in Paradera has most likely and it has a wall but anybody with a pickup or can climb easy over the wall second it is no visible from public site.

The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.

To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.

But

If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.

This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.

a. Move dead body to a cemetery,

b. Cemetery door closed, then jump the fence with the body.

c. Inside the cemetery look for an open Kelder or break one open.

d. Put body in it

e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.

f. Make cement in a bucket

g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.

h. Paint the wall

And you are done.

The flaws with this logic are that it do not account for a missing shoe.
And so this cannot be complete true and do not compute. But possible.

<snipped>

The story about dumping the body on the beach cannot be done because you have already a dead body on your hand and you can do that. The chance to be seen with a dead body to high and risky.

Finding someone to dump it in the ocean means more people involved and the chance to be snitch on will increase and the chance to be seen by the coast guard is high. Also body will float back if not tied down in on the bottom floor of the sea.. This requires a more depth knowledge of buoyancy and understanding of the ocean currents of Aruba and knowing that when the wind turn even sunken boats come back to shore. No this does not compute either.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

[Anna]

You don't suppose this is the "new search" previously spoken of as being underwater, do you?

[WhiskeyGirl]

The questions I have -

Why would anyone be sure enough that this was Natalee's remains and not someone else?

Perhaps they found the missing drivers license?  Shoes?  Skirt?  

I'm thinking a dog would find remains, not identify them.

jmho

[Tamikosmom]

It is extremely hard to concentrate on work when this is in Natalee thread and also what is going on in Haleigh thread and then also the docs release in Caylee thread.

I, like the rest of you, will not get my hopes up.  Makes no sense a dog was sent over and remains found.  Would not need dog if they know where remains are.

I find the source of the leak very suspicious but ...

Maybe a confession was made and ... only the general area is known.

Janet

[msmarple]

Hi Monkeys,

I know, long time no see ...

I just did a bit of news surfing and saw the FOX story about the cadaver dog flying to Aruba. (Now - everyone visualize the flying dog ...  did CAPS ever claim that wonder dog skill too? )

Just wanted to see what y'all thought (not much!) and to say hello.

And showing off my Easter Lily.

[Anna]

Anna - How would you feel about making contact with Mos' office? 

I guess I could try but need a bit of quiet to concentrate so as to be more coherent.

Having had my contact exposed, I doubt they respond as last time they were asking me a ton of questions.  It went from "don't hesitate to ask any time you have concerns" to "who are you and why are you asking"  after those who only want their own theories to be correct because of their ego issues accusations were posted in the internet which I am sure someone pointed out to Mos' office.

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Monkeys,

I know, long time no see ...

I just did a bit of news surfing and saw the FOX story about the cadaver dog flying to Aruba. (Now - everyone visualize the flying dog ...  did CAPS ever claim that wonder dog skill too? )

Just wanted to see what y'all thought (not much!) and to say hello.

And showing off my Easter Lily.

msmarple

I am so happy you popped in.  It has been a while.

I love your Easter Lily.


CBB

Could you please replace my shamrock with an Easter Lily.

Thank you.

Janet

[WhiskeyGirl]

Did the plane land in Aruba yet?  How many hours is it?  

On a related note, did Aruba ever get that dedicated search and rescue dog?  I keep thinking they were starting from scratch, it's been almost four years.  And I mean lonnggg...