Haleigh Marie Cummings #8 3/18/09 - 3/23/09

[darla]

Editing my post to clarify I am talking about Haleigh's family being immature  NOT MONKEYS

[islandmonkey]

That really irritates me that Ron couldn't give Crystal something of Haleigh's, he is a jerk. 

I agree, but I wonder does she not have anything of Haleighs for when she comes over for her time with her mother?  Does she not have toys, blankets, clothing, or bears for her there?

Thought the same.  And didn't she bring some with her in case they found Haleigh? 

Well I doubr when she got a call in the early morning hours that her child was missing and seeing as how she lived 2 hours away that the first thought on her mind was grab a blanket and a toy seeing as how Rons house is right there with supposingly everything that would be needed should Haleigh be found,,

I would have grabbed an article of clothing for tracking dog purposes myself...but then again that's just me!

well I would only think of getting myself to the place my child was missing from as quickly as possible, knowing that Ron would have everything a tracking dog would need, I would just be gone as fast as possible,,,,,

Not to mention that she either had to get the baby's things together for Chloe or find someone to take care of Chloe

Over yonder there is so much discussion about when did Crystal arrive, why didn't she arrive sooner, where did she go before she got to the trailer. It's nuts, of course you have to get somewhat ready, dress, get the baby ready, etc. It's like this weird conspiracy about her arrival. 

I bet it's always like that in the parking lot over yonder

[no rose colored glasses]

I was here last night after Nancy's show. I was steamed at Nancy's attitude to Crystal. She never took that approach with Ron and his Mumma. And as has been said, Crystal wasn't looking after Haleigh when she disappeared.
I had to leave the keyboard as my anger at the entire situation was about to be transferred to people posting here who seem to think that Ron is a good Daddy and maybe he loved Misty and that's why they got married, blah blah.
I guess we bring what we are and how we perceive the world to these boards.
People who have been abused see an abuser in Ron. People who have seen spousal abuse in their own family will see that in Ron.
Ron has admitted to spanking the kids, but within the limits of what DFS and the law allows. He's had contact with DFS in regards to that, why ? Crystal's complaints ? or didn't it come out that there was a former girlfriend that also made a report ?
How much time did Ron spend with the kids ? Or did he leave alot of it to his Grandmother or his mother ?  The Grandmother was dropping off clean clothes on the Monday, was that because the kids were there on the weekend ?  His weekend ?
I want to see Crystal Mommy up and have the right thing done for the boy. Maybe she never did it before because she wasn't in a position to do so before. Money wise or emotionally strong enought to stand up to Ron and his bs.
 

Again a very good post and I agree with you. I have not experienced abuse or spousal abuse, but I sure can see that Ron is a ticking time bomb, and again I will say he scares me. I do hope that Jr is placed in the proper home, I do not believe Ron and Misty are the people that Jr should be with. IMO

I agree Nancy angered me as well..I have experienced spousal abuse and it was not a fun thing to go through..Once I never left sooner because the money and not thinking I could make it with my children on my own..I understand exactley what you are saying and totally agree.

I am just amazed at the strength that I see from so many posters here that have experienced abuse, spousal abuse, abuse to one's child. I appreciate the openess, for me I had no idea the extent of abuse and have become more aware of this horrific problem. Much admiration from me, I don't think I would have the strength that so many of you have. 

[no rose colored glasses]

That really irritates me that Ron couldn't give Crystal something of Haleigh's, he is a jerk. 

I agree, but I wonder does she not have anything of Haleighs for when she comes over for her time with her mother?  Does she not have toys, blankets, clothing, or bears for her there?

Thought the same.  And didn't she bring some with her in case they found Haleigh? 

Well I doubr when she got a call in the early morning hours that her child was missing and seeing as how she lived 2 hours away that the first thought on her mind was grab a blanket and a toy seeing as how Rons house is right there with supposingly everything that would be needed should Haleigh be found,,

I would have grabbed an article of clothing for tracking dog purposes myself...but then again that's just me!

well I would only think of getting myself to the place my child was missing from as quickly as possible, knowing that Ron would have everything a tracking dog would need, I would just be gone as fast as possible,,,,,

Not to mention that she either had to get the baby's things together for Chloe or find someone to take care of Chloe

Over yonder there is so much discussion about when did Crystal arrive, why didn't she arrive sooner, where did she go before she got to the trailer. It's nuts, of course you have to get somewhat ready, dress, get the baby ready, etc. It's like this weird conspiracy about her arrival. 

I bet it's always like that in the parking lot over yonder

Conspiracy theories to the point of nausea. One thing I would like to bring up, how much does Crystal owe in back child support? The reason I ask is I thought it was 4,000, somehow it has grown to like 16,000 by posters on WS. When did the amount rise to that amount, or is this just somemore bs?

[Dolce]

Not to mention that she either had to get the baby's things together for Chloe or find someone to take care of Chloe

I still would have grabbed her favorite stuffed animal or atleast an article of clothing.  Sorry I would not have trusted Ron or Misty to have this readily available...given what we know she thinks of the 2 of them. (I would not trust them to have it available either)  Then again I am a person who has a mental check list in my head, even in panic situations. (I have been in plenty, but not one of missing my child) 

[Wyks]

I haven't followed this case too closely, why is NG being such a Major Biotch to the biomom?

Well whenever this finally comes to an end, we will see if NG was a Major Biotch or just doing her job.

I will have to say that NG was like a little mellow kitten with Ron a couple of days ago.

You reckon NG might be a bit bias.  

Ya think?
I get more disgusted with NG every time I watch her show. Not only is she wrong with her facts sometimes, but she can't get anything straight, because she won't let the guest talk, she keeps interrupting. My hubby and I were ready to scream at that interrogation of Crystal last night. Somebody better let her know she's crossing the line... shades of Melinda Duckett!!

While I agree that she was getting a bit harsh, I was glad that someone finally has put Crystal on the spot.  Everyone has put Ron and Misty on the spot - as well they should be,  but everyone seems to tip-toe around Crystal.  Double standards are not going to cut it with a missing child.  Everyone should be considered a suspect!  The instant mud slinging from the Crystal corner was like "whoah"....I think she is doing her best to get her daughter back, but she is throwing out a lot of heat towards other people the girl needs to be able to take a little herself.

Haleigh did not go missing on Crystal's watch, that's why everyone looked closer at Ron and Misty. The custody issue was a separate thing, and now it has become part of the case. Since Ron's family apparently hates her, she is fighting back, which is something she couldn't do until now. Now that this lawyer has taken up her cause, she has the tools to fight, and I hope she will hang in there and see it through to the end. These are HER children, not Misty's. She might have felt too cowed down before, but she's got somebody on her side now that knows what to do and how to do it.
You can bet that if I were in her shoes, I would be going after my son, too. It is probably too late to save Haleigh, unfortunately.

Do you think Crystal is in an abusive relationship now?  She has not been with Ronald for 4 years.

I wouldn't doubt it for a minute!  Chad already has charges for abuse from his current wife in their past relationship, either with her, their kids, or all.  Seems his divorce isn't final.  And stats prove out that if a man is abusive to one wife/kids, he typically will repeat that with the next relationship/kids.  (Typically... not always)  Just as it's typical for an abused woman to escape one violent relationship, only to end up in another.  Of course there are abused women who do go on to find a good men, yet stats have shown that's not what has been typical.  (My youngest son's fiance was abused in her previous relationship, and she found herself a good man this time, who is not abusive.  So yes... it can happen).  If there hasn't been abuse yet in the relationship betw Crystal/Chad, well... there's a high risk for abuse there.  IMO.   

[Dolce]

I have seen it speculated in 2 seperate incidences now that AnnaFL is actually Marie...can this be?

[Wyks]

I want to hear from Cobra soon.  He has said that we will have answers here soon, I want to know what he has found that leads him to believe he is going to bring Haleigh home.

Before fallen off to sleep last night, I was thinking about the most recent activity in this case and about what Cobra said about the case coming to a conclusion soon.

The most recent activity was LE removing and taking the back door, returning the  impounded and analyzed  van to Chelsea Croslin.  Info regarding Misty and Chelsea's conversation  regarding the van.

Could it have been Joe Overstreet?

I wonder what time it was when Chelsea and family went to sleep that night.

I've wondered why the perp (if there was one) would take Haleigh and not bother with Misty if she was totally out of it.

Interesting.  I do think there is a lot more to Joe in all of this too.
I have also wondered why take Haleigh and not Misty or Jr?

I've wondered this too!  Yet we've heard Ron say that "Haleigh is his heart".  Someone pisssssed off at Ron might think the best way to get back at him, is to take what is most precious to him. 

[no rose colored glasses]

I have seen it speculated in 2 seperate incidences now that AnnaFL is actually Marie...can this be?

That I have no idea, but there is a poster on another forum that says he is a neighbor, and I'm suspicious it could be Ron 

[tcumom]

This is where it gets tainted too.  We are all victims of the Anthony's now, we will never look at any situation the same ever again.  We will find it hard to not gun for the families of these victims now that we have been double crossed by Cindy and George.

I do not think that Ron is Mr. Wonderfull either, I agree with you that if he is honest and hard working then I am Mother Theresa.

The point I have been trying to get across for the past hour is simply this.  Crystal has an opportunity here to show she is the better parent.  That will help her in her fight to get Jr and Haleigh full custody.....but she is only hurting herself with this mudslinging and juvenile behavior.

I agree Dolce.  Crystal has the opportunity to rise above the juvenile behavior and try for custody without mudslinging.  She could just let her attorney handle things behind the scenes.  Not sure why she seems to want to bring herself lower with the mudslinging etc.  Unless it's because that's all she could think of that might work.  And with the atty stepping in, that might help Crystal refocus and get a grip, hauling herself out of the mud pit, and taking a higher road in her fight for Jr.... and Haleigh, should she return.  Hopefully what her atty will help her realize is that she *can* rise above it all, with dignity and respect, fight for custody, and in the end she may convince the court that she's the better parent after all.  Seems like her actions have much to do with that!  She may just not have known how, before. 

Wycks ~ thanks for putting my thoughts into words . . . now I don't have to try and make an attempt!

[Heart]

does anybody have the video with crystal and misty in the trailer together

Oh.. I didnt know they were in the trailer together.. First time I heard that...

No there was no video, they kept the camera's at bay for privacy issues .....here is the article though:



Missing, Haleigh Cummings, 5

By Art Harris, (c), www.artharris.com., all rights reserved

In what could set a legal precedent for missing children, The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that the mother of five year old Haleigh Cummings aims to fight for legal custody of a daughter abducted a month ago from her father’s home while he was at work and his 17 year old girlfriend slept nearby.

In an exclusive interview, Crystal Sheffield, 23, tells me she also wants custody of her son and Haleigh’s little brother, a four year old she had with Ronald Cummings, 25.

The boy, “Junior,” as he’s called, reportedly told police he saw a man dressed in black snatch his sister off her mattress in the pre-dawn darkness Feb. 10 as she slept in the living room of their father’s trailer in Palatka, Florida.

“We think she’d be the better parent, so we’ll be exploring how (Ronald Cummings) got custody in the first place, whether it was proper. We already have one child missing from his care, and he’s about to marry the 17 year old (Misty Croslin), who was home babysitting her and his son,” says Sheffield’s lawyer, Kim L. Picazio, a family law expert from Broward County who has been interviewing locals by phone and is expected to arrive in Putman Count on Thursday.

“From what I’ve gleaned from investigators, news reports and interviews with local witnesses and the mother’s family, I have grave concerns for the welfare of Haleigh’s little brother, Junior. When I get down there Thursday, I’ll be investigating if there’s any type move the mother needs to make to protect the last child that remains in the father’s custody.”

Picazio is also bringing in a crack private investigator, William Staubs, 52, a gravel-voiced tough guy who weighs 250 pounds and goes by the nickname Cobra. He’ll be hunting witnesses, says Picazio, “who may not want to tell everything to a police officer, but may tell me things that could lead to finding Haleigh through a private effort.”

At a press conference Tuesday, a new reward of $35,000 was announced. Dozens of state, local and federal law enforcement remained tight-lipped, as both parents plead for Haleigh’s safe return.

Family members scribbled messages in black magic marker on yellow helium filled balloons they soon released.

“Haleigh-bug, Nana misses you very much. Please release my Doodle,” wrote Crystal’s mother.

“Misty and Daddy got married, just like you wanted,” wrote Haleigh’s father. “We love you.”

At the Putman County courthouse Monday, Ronald and Misty applied for a marriage license; on Tuesday, she was brandishing a new diamond ring for the cameras.

Croslin said that her engagement may be misunderstood by some people, but “it’s still all about finding Haleigh. This is what Haleigh wanted. She’s always talked about it.”

Croslin also claims Haleigh called her “mom.” According to reports, the bizarre lovebirds could tie the knot as early as this week. With Misty a minor, her family had to fill out paperwork granting her the okay to marry.

On the 911 tape of Misty’s initial call to police last month to report Haleigh missing, Ronald can be heard cursing his new fiance in the background, and threatening to kill whoever took her. But they’ve apparently made up.

“He’s getting married 30 days after Haleigh goes missing, that says it all,” Crystal tells me in an exclusive interview, adding that she has postponed her plans to marry an electrician named Chad, but will keep paying for the wedding dress she has on layaway.

“With Haleigh missing, getting married is the last thing on my mind. I can’t sleep. I lay down at night, but I don’t sleep. I try to rest, but I can’t. It’s bad when your baby is gone.”

Crystal says she spent much of Tuesday in tears, telling me how she paid a private visit to Ronald’s trailer home where Haleigh spent her last night. Police found the back door propped open by a brick, and Misty says she has no idea how that happened, and didn’t hear a thing. Investigators have been running down leads and tips with the help of the FBI.

On Tuesday, Crystal surveyed the living room of her ex-boyfriend’s trailer, the purported crime scene, as police held TV cameras back to give her privacy; then Haleigh’s distraught mother threw herself onto the mattress the five year old used as a bed, and burst into tears.

Outside, friends could hear her screaming, hysterical, inconsolable. It was a heart-breaking scene, one told me.

Misty was with her, pleading with Crystal to believe her when she said she had no idea how her baby vanished, or who was behind it. Crystal asked for a toy, or some momento of Haleigh to take with her; it was fine with Misty, but she said she’d have to ask Ronald first. Crystal left empty-handed.

Later, she told me she’d cried herself out, but “it didn’t help much.”

Both Misty and Ronald claim they passed lie detector tests, though police sources won’t confirm nor deny it.

Victim’s advocate Wayanne Kruger, an author who’s daughter pressed charges against a godfather who’d molested her as a child, flew in from California to volunteer, and donated proceeds from a book signing to help Crystal stay afloat.

In the meantime, Kim Picazio, the new lawyer and mother of three, says she aims to organize a command post for volunteers and start printing bumper stickers, pins and t shirts to raise awareness about what police are calling an abduction.

Authorities are still searching for Haleigh. She has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall.

Please call the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.

Just checking!

Did any other media outlet other than Art Harris report on Crystal's visit to the trailer.  I can't find any other.

Inquiring minds want to know.   

[Kat_Gram]

When the thing about child support first came out, I saw on Fox Orlando that Ms. Neves said 17,000.00 to someone from the area who called her. Then it was 4,000.00.
The timing of this and that it was Ms. Neves who was the orginal source for the tidbit made me look at Crystal with a different view than what I have now.
Bottom line is that Crystal was at home when the call to her was made. I assume that Chad Griffs was at home too.
That van thing is also puzzling. That article says there was a family member staying with them and that Misty was the last one to drive the van ?
I had been giving Misty a pass as I thought she didn't have a vehicle around she could drive.  If she did, that changes things for me. LE isn't looking at her inconsistencies because she said she got up for a glass of water , oops, had to go to the bathroom.
It has to go deeper than that, like who was in the damn house that day into night ? 
If LE doesn't know the time that Haleigh was taken, if she was taken, then
that changes the timeline for the other suspects or POI's they have been looking at.
I read they are looking at the timeline between 7 pm and 3 am . Guess they are going by Ms. Sykes seeing the kids on the porch, not Misty's words as to any time at all. 

[no rose colored glasses]

When the thing about child support first came out, I saw on Fox Orlando that Ms. Neves said 17,000.00 to someone from the area who called her. Then it was 4,000.00.
The timing of this and that it was Ms. Neves who was the orginal source for the tidbit made me look at Crystal with a different view than what I have now.
Bottom line is that Crystal was at home when the call to her was made. I assume that Chad Griffs was at home too.
That van thing is also puzzling. That article says there was a family member staying with them and that Misty was the last one to drive the van ?
I had been giving Misty a pass as I thought she didn't have a vehicle around she could drive.  If she did, that changes things for me. LE isn't looking at her inconsistencies because she said she got up for a glass of water , oops, had to go to the bathroom.
It has to go deeper than that, like who was in the damn house that day into night ? 
If LE doesn't know the time that Haleigh was taken, if she was taken, then
that changes the timeline for the other suspects or POI's they have been looking at.
I read they are looking at the timeline between 7 pm and 3 am . Guess they are going by Ms. Sykes seeing the kids on the porch, not Misty's words as to any time at all. 

Thanks for that info, I wondered about the discrepancies of the child support money.

[islandmonkey]

I have seen it speculated in 2 seperate incidences now that AnnaFL is actually Marie...can this be?

No, I have talked to them both, Anna FL once and Marie many times, Marie is saddened over AnnaFL's choice of her PI, as I had already warned them about him from the Caylee case, and Marie wanted NO part of Dominic Casey there.......

[no rose colored glasses]

Here is a response from a so called neighbor, player, when asked about if anyone has stepped up and offered help with the custody battle.     According to my friends, Ron is not going to get involved with this garbage at this time. He feels that the focus should be on Haliegh. The mother is taking critism from the locals for her "Halieghbug" donation center. It is way over the top IMO and most folks I know think the same. Some people have been asked to leave by her and her cadre of money grubbers. I believe that there will be a backlash against her scheme and there will be plenty of support for Ron, once Haliegh is found. (IMO) She & her mother have made this into a dollar deal circus and no interest in the child. That should be evident by her non payment of court ordered support for several years. That is fact and not rumor. I really wonder if this is a neighbor or family member of Rons? It seems like the town is divided with Ron and Crystal supporters. 

[islandmonkey]

When the thing about child support first came out, I saw on Fox Orlando that Ms. Neves said 17,000.00 to someone from the area who called her. Then it was 4,000.00.
The timing of this and that it was Ms. Neves who was the orginal source for the tidbit made me look at Crystal with a different view than what I have now.
Bottom line is that Crystal was at home when the call to her was made. I assume that Chad Griffs was at home too.
That van thing is also puzzling. That article says there was a family member staying with them and that Misty was the last one to drive the van ?
I had been giving Misty a pass as I thought she didn't have a vehicle around she could drive.  If she did, that changes things for me. LE isn't looking at her inconsistencies because she said she got up for a glass of water , oops, had to go to the bathroom.
It has to go deeper than that, like who was in the damn house that day into night ? 
If LE doesn't know the time that Haleigh was taken, if she was taken, then
that changes the timeline for the other suspects or POI's they have been looking at.
I read they are looking at the timeline between 7 pm and 3 am . Guess they are going by Ms. Sykes seeing the kids on the porch, not Misty's words as to any time at all. 

That's no big suprise as Neves seems to despise Crystal and gets the word out every time she can, she'll say things like nobody HAS EVER taken as good of care of the kids as Misty, etc, etc., and ggma Sykes going by the house (well not even sure that one really happened). 

[Kat_Gram]

One thing I've noticed here is that we all want Haleigh found and the best for Ron Jr.
No matter who gives us the willies. ( They all have depending on what information we are given and when,to me ).  I didn't like Crystal and the past and the child support being brought up by Ms. Neves and that Haleigh wanted Misty as the Mommy. Gag me. 
The Misty Mommy thing ... well Ms. Neves, anything she says now is just crap to me. 

[Dolce]

I have seen it speculated in 2 seperate incidences now that AnnaFL is actually Marie...can this be?

That I have no idea, but there is a poster on another forum that says he is a neighbor, and I'm suspicious it could be Ron 

  Does he say he has no idea what happened because he was at work?    Does he speak in slurred sentences?

[Dolce]

I've wondered this too!  Yet we've heard Ron say that "Haleigh is his heart".  Someone pisssssed off at Ron might think the best way to get back at him, is to take what is most precious to him. 

Good point Wykes, which coincides with my thoughts that the person who has taken Haleigh is the cousin Joe.

[lady]

I was here last night after Nancy's show. I was steamed at Nancy's attitude to Crystal. She never took that approach with Ron and his Mumma. And as has been said, Crystal wasn't looking after Haleigh when she disappeared.
I had to leave the keyboard as my anger at the entire situation was about to be transferred to people posting here who seem to think that Ron is a good Daddy and maybe he loved Misty and that's why they got married, blah blah.
I guess we bring what we are and how we perceive the world to these boards.
People who have been abused see an abuser in Ron. People who have seen spousal abuse in their own family will see that in Ron.
Ron has admitted to spanking the kids, but within the limits of what DFS and the law allows. He's had contact with DFS in regards to that, why ? Crystal's complaints ? or didn't it come out that there was a former girlfriend that also made a report ?
How much time did Ron spend with the kids ? Or did he leave alot of it to his Grandmother or his mother ?  The Grandmother was dropping off clean clothes on the Monday, was that because the kids were there on the weekend ?  His weekend ?
I want to see Crystal Mommy up and have the right thing done for the boy. Maybe she never did it before because she wasn't in a position to do so before. Money wise or emotionally strong enought to stand up to Ron and his bs.
 

Again a very good post and I agree with you. I have not experienced abuse or spousal abuse, but I sure can see that Ron is a ticking time bomb, and again I will say he scares me. I do hope that Jr is placed in the proper home, I do not believe Ron and Misty are the people that Jr should be with. IMO

I agree Nancy angered me as well..I have experienced spousal abuse and it was not a fun thing to go through..Once I never left sooner because the money and not thinking I could make it with my children on my own..I understand exactley what you are saying and totally agree.

I am just amazed at the strength that I see from so many posters here that have experienced abuse, spousal abuse, abuse to one's child. I appreciate the openess, for me I had no idea the extent of abuse and have become more aware of this horrific problem. Much admiration from me, I don't think I would have the strength that so many of you have. 

It is very hard at times..And antidepressents help I always tell myself though that I can do this if not for me then for my children...Focusing on other situations like this makes my situation look like nothing.I feel for Crystal she is an abused women you can see it..its sad