Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Magnolia]

 

[Lifesong]

When I watch Fred Golba my BS meter just goes off the chart when I see him talk   

A body "let go in a pond" would have floated back up.
If the body was weighted down, the body gases would make it float back up ie: Laci Peterson

* Dompig
* Caps witness
* pond
* Silvetti
* trap contents were: skull, bones, shoe
* Aruba thinks handing over the bones of Natalee will close it out and they won't have to bring justice, they won't close the case so they do not have to hand over any documents/evidence and Joran and Kalpoes go remain free.
* They need someone they can trust to hand over Natalee's body, someone that is friends with them.



'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/

 

Kermit..
I agree with your post  but not sure if THIS (Freddie's & Rhino) is the search aruba will return Natalee remains.
Of course, if anything is returned, there won't be any forensic evidence other the "possibly" it is Natalee.
Nothing will be returned that will link the perps to the crime...moo
What do you think the possibility is that Natalee will be returned during this search? 10%  - 90%?

we're getting too close to something

Dig monkeys dig

            

Hey Aruba..We Are Not Going Away...Justice for Natalee!

[Tamikosmom]

Fred Golba and Gerold Dompig appear to be thisclose.  Then there is the account of Julia Renfro playing host to Fred Golba and his dog at her home while he was in Aruba.

Considering Mark Purcell's unwavering support of Julia Renfro ... I suspect that this guy is somewhere in the mix.

Janet

++++++

 DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html


Big Story (Jamie Colby)
FOX News
August 14, 2005

Jim Knox: We arrived on Wednesday, we started working Wednesday afternoon. We met with police first thing as soon as we got off the plane, that’s where we started the cooperation. They were mightily impressed. We presented Fred’s resume of over 2000 finds in 17 different countries and states. They’ve watched the dogs work, they’re impressed, they know that we’re working.

Jamie, I’ve had 1 beer in a week with a hamburger in Saturday.  The previous searchers were taking tubs and ice chests of beer out with them. They’d work 2 hours and come in. They had equipment they didn’t know how to use. I could give you a world of information but ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/15/family-and-equusearch-respond-to-derogatory-comments-from-jim-knox/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

COSBY:  You know, Steve, we‘ve had Tim Miller from EquuSearch, all these different guys on there.  They were all sort of turned down by Dompig and it seemed like the Aruban government, of course, the chief of police there.  Why this team? 

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  Well, it‘s a process, of course, that goes back to the Forensic Institute of Holland.  Chief Dompig has been back there twice now. 

And I think what was happening was a determination of just exactly what techniques, in terms of specificity, could one investigator bring to bear versus another? And, of course, Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/


MARK PUCELL

Refugee Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:45 am
So to you FUCKTARDS from the other sites that lurk here and are reading my post, you have been warned: If your plans are to mess with Julia, her family, her children or her friends here in Aruba while you come on a so called fact finding mission, you will need to go through the Doc to get to her. All bravado aside, I would not wish that fate on my worst enemy.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am
Top my list would be Natalee. Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again. Bad dog Jug, bad dog. As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in those first few weeks. When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and not relevant's. Heel Jug, bad dog


MIP6
BFN

Julie has always been and continues to be a good editor in my book. No personal agenda that I see coming from her paper.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=638.msg6137#msg6137

 

[San]

  He likes us he likes us he really really likes us.

[Blue Moon]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

   

Muffy, are you gagging?

[Keepthefaith]

Fred Golba and Gerold Dompig appear to be thisclose.  Then there is the account of Julia Renfro playing host to Fred Golba and his dog at her home while he was in Aruba.

Considering Mark Purcell's unwavering support of Julia Renfro ... I suspect that this guy is somewhere in the mix.

Janet

++++++

 DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html


Big Story (Jamie Colby)
FOX News
August 14, 2005

Jim Knox: We arrived on Wednesday, we started working Wednesday afternoon. We met with police first thing as soon as we got off the plane, that’s where we started the cooperation. They were mightily impressed. We presented Fred’s resume of over 2000 finds in 17 different countries and states. They’ve watched the dogs work, they’re impressed, they know that we’re working.

Jamie, I’ve had 1 beer in a week with a hamburger in Saturday.  The previous searchers were taking tubs and ice chests of beer out with them. They’d work 2 hours and come in. They had equipment they didn’t know how to use. I could give you a world of information but ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/15/family-and-equusearch-respond-to-derogatory-comments-from-jim-knox/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

COSBY:  You know, Steve, we‘ve had Tim Miller from EquuSearch, all these different guys on there.  They were all sort of turned down by Dompig and it seemed like the Aruban government, of course, the chief of police there.  Why this team? 

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  Well, it‘s a process, of course, that goes back to the Forensic Institute of Holland.  Chief Dompig has been back there twice now. 

And I think what was happening was a determination of just exactly what techniques, in terms of specificity, could one investigator bring to bear versus another? And, of course, Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/


MARK PUCELL

Refugee Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:45 am
So to you FUCKTARDS from the other sites that lurk here and are reading my post, you have been warned: If your plans are to mess with Julia, her family, her children or her friends here in Aruba while you come on a so called fact finding mission, you will need to go through the Doc to get to her. All bravado aside, I would not wish that fate on my worst enemy.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:43 am
Top my list would be Natalee. Followed by Beth & Julia in the same room at the same time with me sitting off to the side controlling Jug on his leash so he couldn’t shove Julia again. Bad dog Jug, bad dog. As I am asking the questions I could watch that little vein on Beth’s forehead start to throb with anger as Julia sits there calmly giving truthful answers to what took place in reference to the conversations between the two of them in those first few weeks. When it’s Beth turn to answer all I would hear would be a bunch stammering & stuttering along with the “you knows” and not relevant's. Heel Jug, bad dog


MIP6
BFN

Julie has always been and continues to be a good editor in my book. No personal agenda that I see coming from her paper.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=638.msg6137#msg6137

 

LOGIC DICTATES  LOGIC DICTATES LOGIC DICTATES

[Keepthefaith]

When I watch Fred Golba my BS meter just goes off the chart when I see him talk   

A body "let go in a pond" would have floated back up.
If the body was weighted down, the body gases would make it float back up ie: Laci Peterson

* Dompig
* Caps witness
* pond
* Silvetti
* trap contents were: skull, bones, shoe
* Aruba thinks handing over the bones of Natalee will close it out and they won't have to bring justice, they won't close the case so they do not have to hand over any documents/evidence and Joran and Kalpoes go remain free.
* They need someone they can trust to hand over Natalee's body, someone that is friends with them.



'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/

 

Kermit..
I agree with your post  but not sure if THIS (Freddie's & Rhino) is the search aruba will return Natalee remains.
Of course, if anything is returned, there won't be any forensic evidence other the "possibly" it is Natalee.
Nothing will be returned that will link the perps to the crime...moo
What do you think the possibility is that Natalee will be returned during this search? 10%  - 90%?

we're getting too close to something

Dig monkeys dig

            

Hey Aruba..We Are Not Going Away...Justice for Natalee!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

[AZSunny]

When I watch Fred Golba my BS meter just goes off the chart when I see him talk   

  Me too San.  And I've seen some BSers. He is up there.

How he could actually sit there with a straight face and do that amazes me.

I wonder just how many times he plans to stick his arm in the mood 'up to his elbow or shoulder' until he finds something..anything?  It really is sadly laughable. 

[Anna]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

That is what I heard through the internet grapevine.  However ... the few PMs Reality send me when I was a member of BFN ... were far from sweet.  I guess I do not have what it takes.

 

Janet

Oh, I received one of the sweet ones and responded that I wasn't interested and blocked any future ones.

Apparently, he usually has better luck.

Anna ... maybe it was your avatar.  Obviously, a 62 year old granny soaring over the American landscape on the back of a duck is a turn-off.
Edit to fix typos- 2 for 1 special tonight.
 

Janet

I post as just a little BlueBird there.  And MIP5 said he hated birds and frogs meaning Granny Toad many times.  So I doubt it was the avatar but you never know.  After all Lou said I did get all the men whatever that is supposed to mean.  Spite I think as I don't use forums about tragedies to meet men.  EVER.  And I do know that is totally inappropriate!

Anna - I think she saw you as "competition".

I've known women who see every other woman as competition.  Seems to me she might be just a little too infatuated with Jug?  I mean, were they friends before May 30, 2005?

 


JMO and only MO

Well her comment was just so out of left field I never did understand it.  My avatar is a cartoon, a doll, not a real person. 

But you may be right, it's not the avatar but just other women in general.  Yes, her fixation on Jug has always seemed very odd and doubt he initiated it.  And some of us were very casually acquainted before Natalee disappeared only in the sense of belonging to the same organization and not even really by name.

But I did resent the implication that I wanted or was trying to "get all the men" when that never crossed my mind.  I like my avatar because I can change her clothes and create all sorts of scenarios.  So I just ignored her nasty remark but did have to wonder what brought that on as it has no basis in reality like many of her suggestions.

[MuffyBee]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

   

Muffy, are you gagging?

Most definitely. 

[Tamikosmom]

TAMIKOSMOM'S THEORY - IN A NUTSHELL

I believe this latest "pond search" is all connected to the happenings encompassing the trap discovered by the Persistence.

I do believe that Aruba may be about to give back Natalee Holloway's remains to her family.  However ... the origin of those remains cannot be revealed.  The trap implies Joran van der Sloot did not act alone in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.  Therefore the remains taken from the trap were planted in another location ... the pond and a witness that implicates only Joran materialize.

Think about it.

Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor ... on May 30, 2005.  Justice implies he will receive a slap on the wrist.

Paulus will admit he lied about picking up Joran but ... there will be no consequences for obstruction of the investigation.  Apparently ... family members who obstruct the investigation are given a pass by Dutch law.

Case Closed!

Janet

+++++++

‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

[AZSunny]

When he sticks his hand in the water are the bones going to be in nicely packed plastic bags.

And will Caps be under the mud passing them?

OK Fred are you ready.  When you see me make three bubbles stick your hand in the water.  If it is only two bubbles just say the dog farted.

Oh San,  too funny!!  That really made me laugh out loud!    great visual!   

[San]

When I watch Fred Golba my BS meter just goes off the chart when I see him talk   

  Me too San.  And I've seen some BSers. He is up there.

How he could actually sit there with a straight face and do that amazes me.

I wonder just how many times he plans to stick his arm in the mood 'up to his elbow or shoulder' until he finds something..anything?  It really is sadly laughable. 

He can stick his arm where the sun don't shine and will come out with the same thing.

[Tamikosmom]

I cannot comprehend why a search of the pond is taking place now.  If there was anything Natalee Holloway case related ... logic dictates it would have been discovered in May, 2008 when the pond was dried.

Why not wait until May, 2009 when the pond is once again dried if searching below ground level is where it is at?

Janet

+++++

Posted by GLENDA at RU:

This afternoon at Montserat (03/21/09)

"Pond in February 2008"


"Pond in May 2008"

BUMPED

[billb's daughter]

TAMIKOSMOM'S THEORY - IN A NUTSHELL

I believe this latest "pond search" is all connected to the happenings encompassing the trap discovered by the Persistence.

I do believe that Aruba may be about to give back Natalee Holloway's remains to her family.  However ... the origin of those remains cannot be revealed.  The trap implies Joran van der Sloot did not act alone in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.  Therefore the remains taken from the trap were planted in another location ... the pond and a witness that implicates only Joran materialize.

Think about it.

Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor ... on May 30, 2005.  Justice implies he will receive a slap on the wrist.

Paulus will admit he lied about picking up Joran but ... there will be no consequences for obstruction of the investigation.  Apparently ... family members who obstruct the investigation are given a pass by Dutch law.

Case Closed!

Janet

+++++++

‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

I don't necessarily disagree with your post above Janet....Didn't caps witness also state he saw paulass pick up urine in his jeep? How will that be discounted if the first part is believed?

[Anna]

Well, I just hope he doesn't try to present anybody with a sneaker or a pair of them as they could have come from anywhere including the lost and found at the Racquet Club which is where I have always suspected Joran got some of his or from other people's lockers.  Jossy said Joran had a habit of stealing stuff out of other kids' belongings at school, etc.

So, no, a sneaker is not just as good as Natalee.

But I do hope they return her under any circumstances.

[hotping]

Good Evening Monkeys.... Blue Moon, yucatexan, texasmom, Keepthefaith, mysterious, mytime, AZSunny, San, Tamikosmom, klaasend, billb, SuzieQ, Mere, Lifesong, Magnolia, codemonkey, Frijole, Monkey Mia, oldiebutgoodie, cajun miracle and 22 Guests .....


I see that the Fred and Rhino search has probably not even happened yet since the ALE was not around over the weekend to supervise....So tomorrow may be the day that the planted remains of Natalee might be found....JMO...I don't care who finds them or where as long as Dave and Beth get Her back and put Her to Rest in Peace....in the USA...Joran, Paulus and The Rest of the Gang will pay for Their actions against Natalee one of this days and it won't be fun for them....... So Joran and Paulus have as much fun as You can now because Karma is a B*itch and its going to get Ya......

Kermit....I will do My part to keep digging....  

[hotping]

Well, I just hope he doesn't try to present anybody with a sneaker or a pair of them as they could have come from anywhere including the lost and found at the Racquet Club which is where I have always suspected Joran got some of his or from other people's lockers.  Jossy said Joran had a habit of stealing stuff out of other kids' belongings at school, etc.

So, no, a sneaker is not just as good as Natalee.

But I do hope they return her under any circumstances.

Ditto! 

[texasmom]

Good Evening Monkeys.... Blue Moon, yucatexan, texasmom, Keepthefaith, mysterious, mytime, AZSunny, San, Tamikosmom, klaasend, billb, SuzieQ, Mere, Lifesong, Magnolia, codemonkey, Frijole, Monkey Mia, oldiebutgoodie, cajun miracle and 22 Guests .....


I see that the Fred and Rhino search has probably not even happened yet since the ALE was not around over the weekend to supervise....So tomorrow may be the day that the planted remains of Natalee might be found....JMO...I don't care who finds them or where as long as Dave and Beth get Her back and put Her to Rest in Peace....in the USA...Joran, Paulus and The Rest of the Gang will pay for Their actions against Natalee one of this days and it won't be fun for them....... So Joran and Paulus have as much fun as You can now because Karma is a B*itch and its going to get Ya......

Kermit....I will do My part to keep digging....  

Hi Hotping!  

[Tamikosmom]

Monkeys ... I want to share while Kermit is out of the cage.

My son-in-law just called.  He was just talking to my daughter who is in Montreal with their two eldest sons (9/11) for a Karate competition.  Apparently ... all three were taken out to a French restaurant tonight and ... you would never guess what was on the menu.  You are right!  Frog legs in a wine and butter sauce.  I knew that my daughter would not hesitate but ... I never thought my grandsons would partake.  I was wrong!

 

Remember ... do not tell Kermit.  Shhh

Janet