Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Anna]

It reminds me of the time Albert Vrolijk found panties and a condom.

Albert Vrolijk(Dj)-Friend of Satish & Deepak Kalpoe
Vernon Vrolijk-ATA/Regional sales representative,Marietta,GA
Humphrey Vrolijk-ATA/Europe area director
Hiram Vrolijk-Friend of Joran Van Der Sloot
Augustine Vrolijk-Director of Aruba's Foreign Affairs
Marysol Vrolijk-Secretary at Notary Office Aruba
Zernon Vrolijk-ATA
Alicia Vrolijk-Jr Account Manager/Aruba Bank NV


Will continue to ADD to the list...

AP Photo/Leo Vrolijk, Awe Mointa

alberto vrolijk/GOVT INSPECTOR
http://www.perfspot.com/profile.asp?uid=E7CD2EED-30F2-44E2-A45D-3529CF41A297

Alberto Vrolijk...Male, 51
san nicolaas
Aruba

Jose Vrolijk-Bus driver ISA
http://www.isaruba.com/Quick%20links/faculty_and_staff/Index.html


BRC MEMBERS RELATIONS DEPARTMENT
Direct number Ena Vrolijk

BRC GENERAL MANAGEMENT
Adm.Assistant/Executive Secretary Helen Werleman

http://www.lacabanabrc.com/members/directory.shtml

Willem Vrolijk/Politicians and air traffic controller
http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67682

Orlando Vrolijk/Aruba Surf Club Guest Relations
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147247-i144-k1352085-Safes_at_Marriott_Surf_Club-Aruba.html

Mr. Ival VrolijkSETAR N.V. - Aruba
http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/finance/work-cost-tariffs/events/tariff-seminars/trinidad-tobago-03/listofparticipants.pdf

Danilo Vrolijk /PEL Officer
http://www.airsafetyfirst.com/chart.php

Ricardo Vrolijk /Assistant Controller.Marriott’s Aruba Ocean Club
http://www.arubaoceanclub.com/pdfs/OceanFallCOA.doc


VERY INTERESTING EHHHH......

Personally, I always found Hiram the most interesting of them.

But that's just me.  I think he is colorful to say the least.  One of the posters at RU took it into their head that Hiram was Natalee with some sort of wild make up, too.  Used him as avatar and kept insisting it was Natalee.  The same one who tries to connect Thomas Twitty to everything but not the one with the theory that every photo of Natalee in existence has been photoshopped to conceal a misformed left arm!

My, we have encountered the nutcases along the way and apparently they continue to this day.

[Anna]

Didn't someone tell us The Netherlands has no extradition treaty with Thailand?

[Blue Moon]

OMG....Renfroe .....HLN

She hasn't changed a bit in 4 years 

he, he, he, he................................................. 

[Blue Moon]

Elaine .....lol.....she was on the phone...!

The beautiful pictures that we have of Natalee were on the screen....and that was good, but
there was very little to no concrete information given.

I think JVM and NG will also have something later.

Personally, when it comes to Natalee I really prefer Greta and not Nancy G.  Nancy gets on my last nerve.     

[Keepthefaith]

Aruba Lions Club
 
Members List 2005-2006
 
Last Name First Name IM# Sponsor Lioness Edate Past functions Member
Alders Derwin 1917872 Junior Angela Vilka 10-'03   Regular
Angela Marciano A. "Juni" 632118 Rollyn Angela Sharon     Regular
Arends Elbert R. "Ebby" 632121 Harry Posner   10-'63   Regular
Arends Elbert R. "Elbert Jr." 632119 Ebby Arends   10-'97   Regular
Arends Francis 632122 Glenn Marugg Carol 12-'97   Regular
Arends Maximilliano F. "Bibi" 634787 Maiky Croes Vanessa 02-'99   Regular
Arendsz Adriaan J. "Adri" 632120 Maiky Croes Chima 12-'86   Regular
Bikker Andin C.G. 637489 Franky Kuiperi Lorena 10-'00   Regular
Boekhoudt Rosendo "Tendo" 637490 Elias Fingal Marianita 05-'96   Regular
Buckley Aerialo "Yeyo" 637491 Louis van Delden Magda 12-'96   Regular
Clement Daniel I. 637492 Maiky Croes   04-'96   Regular
Croes Carlos F. 637497 Charlie Lampe Betty 06-'85   Regular
Croes Frank H. 637498 Maiky Croes Baby 03-'88 Past District Governor 2000-2001 Regular
Croes Juan M. "Max" 637493 Frans Croes Marie Therese     Regular
Croes Marco L. "Maiky" 637496 Oscar Marugg Ada 02-'78   Regular
Croes Marlon L. 642865 Elias Fingal   02-'98   Regular
Croes Pablo A. 637495 Elias Fingal   03-'75   Regular
Croes Randall C.F. 642866 Frank Croes Ana Maria 02-'98   Regular
Croes Robert W. Sr. "Chobby" 637494 Oscar Marugg Enid 01-'70   Regular
Croes Robert W. II "Robèrt" 642864 Glenn Marugg Natasha 12-'86   Regular
Cuba de L.L. "Ildo" 642868 Frank Croes   10-'92   Regular
Daryanani Satish D. 642867 Noppy Henriquez † Karin 12-'86   Regular
Delden van L.F. "Louis" 135 Frank Croes Teresita 12-'91   Regular
Donata J.O. "Jaime" 155 Carlos E. Maduro   01-'97   Regular
Duran F.S. Jr. "Fillmon" 170 V. Hill Maysen 11-'74 Past District Governor Regular
Fingal Elias 047 Horacio Oduber   05-'72 Past District Governor Regular
Fingal H.R. "Henry" 177 Maiky Croes   11-'98   Regular
Fowler E.D.C. "Benky" 021 Kees de Jong Lucia 12-'66   Regular
Fuentebella C.E. "Toty"   Frank Croes       Regular
Goedhoop Ruben 183 Daniel Clement Selena 11-'99   Regular
Gröder D.R. "Boepi" 115 Modesto Ruiz   04-'88   Regular
Harms Clyde   Frank Croes   06-'04   Regular
Jansen J.L. "Ludwig"   Junior Angela Astrid 10-'03   Regular
Jelten E. "Eddy" 168 Frank Croes Rosalia 02-'98   Regular
Kock G.F. "Giovanni" 192 Junior Angela Suzy 10-'00   Regular
Kock J.H. "John" 193 Tendo Boekhoudt Marina 10-'00   Regular
Kock P. "Pierre"   Junior Angela   10-'03   Regular
Koolman Olindo 110 Maiky Croes Dora 12-'87   Regular
Kuiperi F.A. "Franky" 143 Louis van Delden Shirley 07-'94   Regular
Laclé Jaime 180 Robert Croes I Helena 08-'99   Regular
Lampe C. "Charlie" 051 Robert Croes I Elsa 12-'72   Regular
Lampe C.M. "Mike" 152 Maiky Croes Elina 05-'96   Regular
Lopez E.M. "Tito" 169 Maiky Croes Ana Clara 02-;98   Regular
Maduro C.E. "Carlos" 113 John de Vries   03-'88   Regular
Maduro Urbano 052 Robert Croes I Poppy 12-'72   Regular
Marugg G.H. "Glenn" 148 Oscar Marugg Sara 05-'72   Regular
Marugg Oscar 015 Wim Schol Celsa 02-'54   Regular
Mata J.A. "Jaime" 182 Mike Lampe Joan 10-'99   Regular
Nicolaas R.H. "Ronny" 098 Michael Fowler Bea 09-'80   Regular
Paris E.L. "Eddy" 162 Glenn Marugg Lissette 10-'97   Regular
Oduber H.L. "Horacio" 026 Kees de Jong Marieta 10-'68   Regular
Ruiz M.L. "Dede" 071 Elias Fingal Rocio 04-'76   Regular
Ridderstap A.S. "Alberto" 144 Louis van Delden Maria 09-'94   Regular
Solagnier M.A. "Marcel" 172 Frank Croes Jo-Ann 04-'98   Regular
Simon George 163 Frank Croes Aura 10-'97   Regular
Mirep A. "Fon" 016 José Walfanzan   03-'52   Regular
Tromp J. "Chinto" 114 Carlos Croes Denicia 03-'88   Regular
Tromp Omar   Adri Arendsz Tamara 07-'03   Regular
Vries de J.J.P. "John" 106 Maiky Croes Susana 06-'86   Regular
Vrolijk Augustin 164 Maiky Croes Minerva     Regular
Wever K.E.O. "Karel" 125 Carlos Croes Danilla 02-'90   Regular
Wijk van Giovanni 181 Rollyn Angela Yolima 08-'99   Regular
Wolter O.J. "Otto" 153 Alberto Ridderstap Rosy 05-'96   Regular

[wreck]

Elaine .....lol.....she was on the phone...!

The beautiful pictures that we have of Natalee were on the screen....and that was good, but
there was very little to no concrete information given.

I think JVM and NG will also have something later.

Personally, when it comes to Natalee I really prefer Greta and not Nancy G.  Nancy gets on my last nerve.     

As much as I dislike Greta, I could at least stomach watching her most nights. I simply cannot watch Nancy Grace. She is rude, condescending, and sickly syrupy. Especially about her own damn kids.

[Anna]

This article calls the pond brackish but I have to wonder if it really is.  Also says the witness saw JVDS coming out of the pond but that is not what Caps WLC said.  I guess someone would just assume that he was seen actually exiting the pond instead of just walking by.  Otherwise, the statement is not very useful.

Article:

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- The father of a Mountain Brook teen who went missing nearly four years ago in Aruba said Sunday a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers that have eluded the family throughout numerous false leads and fruitless searches.
Dave Holloway said tracker dog specialist Fred Golba, from Chicopee, Massachusetts, will begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday.

Dave Holloway said the tracker, who has searched for her eight times before, must be accompanied to the pond by Aruban police escorts, who delayed an anticipated weekend search.

Natalee was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a Mountain Brook High School graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

  But Dave Holloway said a witness last year alleged that he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of the brackish pond in northwest Aruba with only one sneaker on after Natalee's disappearance. He said the witness has passed a polygraph test.

"I've been looking for (nearly) four years and I intend to search all the evidence and every lead," said Holloway, speaking to The Associated Press from his home in Meridian, Mississippi. "(The witness) saw what he saw -- or he believed he saw what he saw."

Sections of the remote pond area have been searched previously and no evidence was ever found.

Holloway said he had been waiting for the retention pond to dry up before commissioning this latest search, "but the weather has not been cooperative."

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said neither police nor prosecutors have any new information in the case, but they gave Dave Holloway permission to search the pond, which is about a kilometer (mile) away from where she was last seen.

Before he left for Aruba on Friday, Golba told Fox 25 television in Boston that he planned to stick his hands into the pond's muddy bottom and feel around for "bones and his sneaker" while his tracking dog searches the marshy scrubland.

"I have more confidence in this pond then anything I have done in eight trips to this island," Golba told the TV station.

In early January, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office was "approaching the end of this lengthy investigation" and appealed to the public for help.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/03/new_search_today_in_aruba_for.html


The comments are all pro-Natalee so can assume CharlieRat hasn't seen it yet.  Most suggest just pummel or waterboard it out of Joran which after all this time is beginning to sound more reasonable.

[Anna]

I thought Greta was going to cover the story as well.

Wish someone would ask her about those tapes connecting Paulus to the Colombians!

[Tamikosmom]

Elaine .....lol.....she was on the phone...!

The beautiful pictures that we have of Natalee were on the screen....and that was good, but
there was very little to no concrete information given.

I think JVM and NG will also have something later.

Personally, when it comes to Natalee I really prefer Greta and not Nancy G.  Nancy gets on my last nerve.     

As much as I dislike Greta, I could at least stomach watching her most nights. I simply cannot watch Nancy Grace. She is rude, condescending, and sickly syrupy. Especially about her own damn kids.

I agree somewhat but ... if it had not been for BOTH Nancy Grace and Greta ... the Natalee Holoway case would have been a faded memory long ago.

IMO.

Janet

[Anna]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

[wreck]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

Rhino goes nuts in these Aruban Hotel rooms because most likely they have all had dead bodies in them at one time! 

[hotping]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

Rhino goes nuts in these Aruban Hotel rooms because most likely they have all had dead bodies in them at one time! 

Rhino probably went nuts at Julie's House Too...She probably fed Him drugs are something!  Truly I don't believe the dog tore up a hotel room or stayed at Julia's House and played with Her kids.....She is FOS! JMO

[Magnolia]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

One would think that Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba would be trained to be kenneled in a hotel room.
He has to travel all over.

Rhino goes nuts in these Aruban Hotel rooms because most likely they have all had dead bodies in them at one time! 

Rhino probably went nuts at Julie's House Too...She probably fed Him drugs are something!  Truly I don't believe the dog tore up a hotel room or stayed at Julia's House and played with Her kids.....She is FOS! JMO

[Magnolia]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

One would think that Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba would be trained to be kenneled in a hotel room.
He has to travel all over.

Rhino goes nuts in these Aruban Hotel rooms because most likely they have all had dead bodies in them at one time! 

Rhino probably went nuts at Julie's House Too...She probably fed Him drugs are something!  Truly I don't believe the dog tore up a hotel room or stayed at Julia's House and played with Her kids.....She is FOS! JMO

Sorry.
One would think that Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba would be trained to be kenneled in a hotel room.
He has to travel all over.

[hotping]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

One would think that Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba would be trained to be kenneled in a hotel room.
He has to travel all over.

Rhino goes nuts in these Aruban Hotel rooms because most likely they have all had dead bodies in them at one time! 

Rhino probably went nuts at Julie's House Too...She probably fed Him drugs are something!  Truly I don't believe the dog tore up a hotel room or stayed at Julia's House and played with Her kids.....She is FOS! JMO

I agree Magnolia....I doubt He is allowed to just run the room and I doubt that He is allowed to play with kids.......I might be wrong but I don't think so.... 

[bc73]

OMG....Renfroe .....HLN

She hasn't changed a bit in 4 years 

he, he, he, he................................................. 

Am I missing something in this case? Why am I listening to this drunken fool describe the case or the search situation? They should investigate every person she has been associated with over the last four years, and they will find some answers. I hope poor Rhino doesn't get forced to shack up with her again this time. Oh,the fleas!!!!

[Anna]

On CNN Prime News, Julia just said by phone that ALE has worked with Goldba in the past several times and invited him back when they had tips.

 

And before that she said the witness saw Joran coming out of the pond.  This is NOT what she has been posting as Glenda at RU but that the witness only saw Joran walking past his house.

 

[Anna]

Apparently "Arms" Goldba keeps saying that this time he is more confident than ever before.

I wonder why that would be after all this time and a very sketchy witness account.

[Magnolia]

Wreck,

Maybe instead of the twins, Nancy will show Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba!  That might make it all worth your while and you could tolerate it. 

After the reports of his destruction of entire hotel rooms, however, it might not be safe.

One would think that Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba would be trained to be kenneled in a hotel room.
He has to travel all over.

Rhino goes nuts in these Aruban Hotel rooms because most likely they have all had dead bodies in them at one time! 

Rhino probably went nuts at Julie's House Too...She probably fed Him drugs are something!  Truly I don't believe the dog tore up a hotel room or stayed at Julia's House and played with Her kids.....She is FOS! JMO

I agree Magnolia....I doubt He is allowed to just run the room and I doubt that He is allowed to play with kids.......I might be wrong but I don't think so.... 

I noticed that Renfro said the other day that she walked throught the pond last May with her children.
Last May she said that she walked through it with Mark Purcell.
You can't believe a word she says.

[Tamikosmom]

When Caps switched to the Monserat Pond,  he said that Natalee was only put in that pond as a holding
place......like Hiram, the original Mason.
Then she was moved to Jalitza Wever's crypt at the Masonic Cemetery on June 6th and Jalitza Wever
was put into the ocean.
He wasn't sure which crypt that was but it had a lamb on it per Shango. 

Many of Caps supporters still believe that theory

Magnolia ... Caps does not appear to be upholding his theory that Natalee Holloway was moved from the pond in two of his neverending flip flops revealed in the following quotes.

Janet

++++++

At the end of February, 2008 ... Caps was upholding the sonar scan search of the Persistence in regards to locating Joran's sneaker and Natalee Holloway's remains and ... then in May, 2008 (above) ... he implies that Joran's sneaker can be found under the mud.

When Kyle Kingman's own words are considered ... the sonar scan does not reveal what is under the mud.

+++++++

texasmom
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2828 on: February 28, 2008, 04:20:17 AM »

Caps,
Are you pleased with the areas that are now being searched?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg356668#msg356668


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2830 on: February 28, 2008, 04:33:01 AM »

Yes.

At 9:00 will go over there to amke sure they do not mis a spot....The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg356675;topicseen#msg356675


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1486 on: May 08, 2008, 05:34:17 AM »

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.

in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379904;topicseen#msg379904


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 04/07/08: There are 18 targets. Two are definitely tires. The rest, who knows. It's likely tin cans, mud clumps, and debris. There is one small box-like target but it's only 2ft across and doesn't have much relief, unless it's completely sunk into the mud (likely). I can find something about the size of a hockey puck with that system in good conditions. The water was very shallow when this survey was done. Remember, in February 2006 the pond was almost dry.