Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Tamikosmom]

If the Kalpoes are no longer suspects why haven't they turned over all records to Dr. Phil in their case.  It is ridiculous for a U.S. court to give those two scumbags so much lead way in this case.

The investigation is still on going.

I think the judge should have granted Phil McGraw's attorney's motion to dismiss until the requestion records can be accessed.

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

[Artcolley]

I can't even stand the sound of Renfroe's voice. Its like a fingernail on a chalkboard. 

She sounds like a broken record, same old , same old.
Those "three boys" she keeps talking about are disgusting, murderous men, IMO.

She makes me sick.

[texasmom]

I can't even stand the sound of Renfroe's voice. Its like a fingernail on a chalkboard. 

She sounds like a broken record, same old , same old.
Those "three boys" she keeps talking about are disgusting, murderous men, IMO.

She makes me sick.

She makes me sick too Artcolley!   

[Tamikosmom]

I can't even stand the sound of Renfroe's voice. Its like a fingernail on a chalkboard. 

She sounds like a broken record, same old , same old.
Those "three boys" she keeps talking about are disgusting, murderous men, IMO.

She makes me sick.

Me too!

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
Arubans helped search for the Alabama high-schooler, who disappeared two years ago, but now they're embittered by the negative publicity.

By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times
Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM | Page modified June 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

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American Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of Aruba Today, initially sided with Holloway's parents when they sought publicity and lambasted Aruban police for following Dutch investigative procedures different from those in the United States.

Galvanized by compassion for a desperate mother, Renfro stopped the presses of her daily newspaper for the first time in its history to include a picture of Holloway to aid Arubans in the islandwide search.

Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.

Holloway might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised. She might have climbed aboard one of dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers for late-night partying after a nearby concert.

Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.

Twitty did not respond to e-mailed requests for an interview.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html

[Artcolley]

I can't even stand the sound of Renfroe's voice. Its like a fingernail on a chalkboard. 

She sounds like a broken record, same old , same old.
Those "three boys" she keeps talking about are disgusting, murderous men, IMO.

She makes me sick.

She makes me sick too Artcolley!   

Another thing, is she the ONLY spokesperson Aruba can GET? Why in the world do they keep dragging her out from under her rock to "speak" (slur) about what is going on? All her info is wrong anyway.
We need a barfatorium 

[Artcolley]

I can't even stand the sound of Renfroe's voice. Its like a fingernail on a chalkboard. 

She sounds like a broken record, same old , same old.
Those "three boys" she keeps talking about are disgusting, murderous men, IMO.

She makes me sick.

Me too!

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
Arubans helped search for the Alabama high-schooler, who disappeared two years ago, but now they're embittered by the negative publicity.

By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times
Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM | Page modified June 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

<snipped>

Aruba brought on their own negative publicity with their bumbling right in the beginning..the first couple of days. Getting on TV and contradicting themselves constantly.
And then when they couldn't bear to blame themselves for bungling the investigation, they turned on Beth and blamed her. For what? Being a loving, distraught Mother?
Aruba still, after all this time, does NOT get it.

[Nut44x4]

I think Nancy is going to show 'Sweaty Running Man' after the break!!! LOL

[texasmom]

 

Nancy Grace:

Every shot we get of Paul is nothing but behind and elbows!

She showed the running man video!

 

[Artcolley]

I think Nancy is going to show 'Sweaty Running Man' after the break!!! LOL

I just saw him scurrying off to his car lol, Hard to make out if it was a RAT or Sweaty Running Man, though! 
I will say this, THAT man can MOVE when he wants to 

[friend of monkeys]

I think Nancy is going to show 'Sweaty Running Man' after the break!!! LOL

NO NO NO

FROGGIE IS GONNA LEAP OUT OF THE POND

WITH a MUDDY SNEAKER


where is froggie anyway?   hopped to another lily pad?????

[Artcolley]

Nancy Grace:

Every shot we get of Paul is nothing but behind and elbows!

She showed the running man video!

 

YES!!! 
Or as I like to say, "Arseholes and mocassin soles"
 

[klaasend]

I think Nancy is going to show 'Sweaty Running Man' after the break!!! LOL

[Artcolley]

I think Nancy is going to show 'Sweaty Running Man' after the break!!! LOL

OH, that is too funny! He couldn't even get his key in the door! 

[klaasend]

Too bad Nancy doesn't know about the side scan sonar search of the pond last year.

[Blue Moon]

As bad as I want Beth and Dave to have Natalee brought back home I just cannot understand how that dog is going to locate bones/clothing etc with the pond under water AND with it having been searched before.

Back to the cage, that is where the pressure needs to be applied.  Mos needs to tell the world WHO's
remains were in that cage. 

This game is getting old fast and Caps better know what he is talking about.  His name is dirt in my book now, I am sure he will be in Dave's and Beth's book also if this is another wild goose chase.

My opinion G. Dompig is involved in this----He is a POS! Dirt.

[Nut44x4]

I wish she would stop calling Paulus a Judge  ...it drives me nuts 

[Blue Moon]

Jossy just said this pond had NEVER been searched.  Is that correct?  I thought it had been.

[oldiebutgoodie]

Then after that he said that she was chopped up and put in different places all over the island.
I don't believe any of Caps theories.

This isn't exactly light housework. It's not easy to dismember a human body. It's time consuming, very messy, and actually a lot of effort. Plus, you have to have all of your Dismembering Kit set up and prepared and ready to go BEFORE you bring in the victim. This is not an easy quick thing to do on the spur of the moment.

So... either the dismembering equipment had to have been in place and Natalee was the victim they went out to get and bring home to feed the Dismembering Gear OR Natalee's killing was not premeditated but happened in the commission of other crimes against her and in that sense, was accidental. And even if it was premeditated, a pond out in the open isn't exactly the place to set up a Butcher Shop if you know what I mean and if it had been done in Joran's Mommy's kitchen sink, there would have truly been an enormous amount of evidence left behind.

I don't think the dismembering theory has much credibility but if there was a problem hiding Natalee away somewhere, I think Joran and his Daddy are such monsters that it wouldn't trouble them in the least to cut off whatever body part was causing difficulties.

I think there was an already existing well or deep hole that Joran and/or Paulus knew about and they took her there. I think the water is also possible but whoever was driving the boat needed to be certain they were well beyond the international torture zone. And, of course, that would entail having a boat at the ready BEFOREHAND (more premeditation?).

I think Joran was pimping for his Daddy and when Natalee discovered she'd been set up to fulfill the old geezer's nasty needs, things got out of hand and she ended up dead. I think they did kill her but I don't think they planned it out in detail beforehand which sort of leaves out tying things up nice and neat with Dismembering Equipment or even a fast boat standing by.

I think there may have been more people involved even beyond Paulus and Joran when it came to disposal of the body. How could it be anything else? They had buddies they knew they could go to in such a dire emergency and say, "Help us get rid of a body."

It's always possible they planned to capture and murder a pretty girl but they couldn't do that as a matter of routine or that would make them serial killers with each pretty girl they did this to and I think Natalee was not the first time Joran snagged a girl for his Daddy and I don't think they could be killing them all. So, I don't think murder was the plan from the get-go but it was an unintended consequence of their other evil deeds.


Paulus


Natalee and Paulus
Note her "body language"  --  it seems to say to me that her arm is up in a protective measure (many times young women will put a protective arm across their breasts or hug themselves, covering their breasts, when they are feeling unsure or shy or self-conscious). Even though Natalee is not huging herself tightly, that arm is a barrier between her and Paulus and her body is leaning back, away from him. She seems uncertain about what he is doing with whatever he has in his hands. It could almost look like he's about to open a soda can and Natalee looks like she thinks the spray will hit her. But, he is definitely engaged with her while she is definitely pulling away.


Joran and Natalee at the casino
Note that Joran here is definitely not involved with Natalee, he is interested in the gambling. He doesn't even look Natalee's way and she is not interested in him. She is involved with her girlfriends. Joran and Natalee were not Tony and Maria at the dance in "West Side Story" where they instantly noticed each other.

Paulus was engaged with her. Joran was not... at first. We know that Joran fancies himself a sex broker. Hmmm...

[klaasend]

Jossy just said this pond had NEVER been searched.  Is that correct?  I thought it had been.

INCORRECT - Just before Persistence left Aruba they did a side scan sonar search of THAT pond.

[texasmom]

Jossy just said this pond had NEVER been searched.  Is that correct?  I thought it had been.

INCORRECT - Just before Persistence left Aruba they did a side scan sonar search of THAT pond.

There were other things going on here, he did say no at first; but I thought at the end Jossy said "superficially".