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« Reply #640 on: March 23, 2009, 09:08:30 PM »

JOSSY MANSUR - THE PERSISTENCE POND SEARCH

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05

Diario - Jossy Mansur


In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar
test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the
level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of them.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/#more-6039

Jossy knows more than he lets on.  MOO

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« Reply #641 on: March 23, 2009, 09:11:12 PM »

Jossy just said this pond had NEVER been searched.  Is that correct?  I thought it had been.

INCORRECT - Just before Persistence left Aruba they did a side scan sonar search of THAT pond.

I  knew that but why would Jossy say that?  We all saw the picture of boat/sonar in that pond in fact I think it appeared in an Aruba newspaper.

Maybe Jossy is getting forgetful?  Seriously, maybe he just doesn't remember.

I disagree completely.
He is a double agent.
No doubt about it for me.

Let me clarify (briefly)...
I am certain he sees the grief caused unto the Holloway family.
Therefore, he has helped them along the way and probably has good intentions.

However, he lives in Aruba. He is connected to Aruba.
His longtime residency has allowed him to know the good and the bad.

The island is too small and he is too large to be involved.
Of course he knows what happened, but unfortunately, has chosen not to place himself at the center.

He is smart enough not to snitch on his associates.
Dogs never shit where they eat. A corny, yet true, adage.
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« Reply #642 on: March 23, 2009, 09:13:53 PM »

JOSSY MANSUR - THE PERSISTENCE POND SEARCH

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05

Diario - Jossy Mansur


In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar
test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the
level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of them.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/#more-6039

Jossy knows more than he lets on.  MOO



KYcat - I agree 100%.
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« Reply #643 on: March 23, 2009, 09:15:25 PM »

On Nancy Grace....

Susan Candiotti stated that the prosecutors office told her today that the pond had been drained and searched.  Nancy started interrupting her immediately and said no it was another pond.

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #644 on: March 23, 2009, 09:20:20 PM »

Jossy just said this pond had NEVER been searched.  Is that correct?  I thought it had been.

INCORRECT - Just before Persistence left Aruba they did a side scan sonar search of THAT pond.

I  knew that but why would Jossy say that?  We all saw the picture of boat/sonar in that pond in fact I think it appeared in an Aruba newspaper.

Maybe Jossy is getting forgetful?  Seriously, maybe he just doesn't remember.

I disagree completely.
He is a double agent.
No doubt about it for me.

Let me clarify (briefly)...
I am certain he sees the grief caused unto the Holloway family.
Therefore, he has helped them along the way and probably has good intentions.

However, he lives in Aruba. He is connected to Aruba.
His longtime residency has allowed him to know the good and the bad.

The island is too small and he is too large to be involved.
Of course he knows what happened, but unfortunately, has chosen not to place himself at the center.

He is smart enough not to snitch on his associates.
Dogs never shit where they eat. A corny, yet true, adage.

YES.  I won't bring my previous post over .... but I would love to ask Jossy about the items in the cage.  I think he knows.

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« Reply #645 on: March 23, 2009, 09:21:51 PM »

On Nancy Grace....

Susan Candiotti stated that the prosecutors office told her today that the pond had been drained and searched.  Nancy started interrupting her immediately and said no it was another pond.

 


Just makes you want to reach out and slap her!  If it wasn't for the fact that she covers the stories of the missing, I would never watch her. 

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« Reply #646 on: March 23, 2009, 09:29:32 PM »

OK..I'm Done..

KTF, I said I didn't want to discourage you...but obviously I did.  I'm sorry about that. 

If you'll come back, I'll TRY to be quiet.   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #647 on: March 23, 2009, 09:46:51 PM »

Would the pond, in question, be dry or full of water on May 31, 2005?
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« Reply #648 on: March 23, 2009, 09:53:24 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54292.php

Aruba
 
U.S. media: "Police search frustrates Holloway '

March 23, 2009, 15:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The private search of father Dave Holloway to the body of his daughter to the dam of Monserat is probably only started this morning. The planned search last weekend was postponed by the police, reports the American press agency The Associated Press. According to the Public Prosecutor (OM) is this. "The appointment was not earlier today to start searching," said spokeswoman Angela Ann.
 
Dave has specialist Fred Golba and a ranger, trained to detect corpses, flown in to re-look at the dam. It was looking for already at that location after a witness indicated that this was the suspect Joran van der Sloot muddy near the reservoir would have seen.

"I am almost four years to find and I plan to take all evidence and every piece of evidence to examine," says Dave. "The witness has seen what he has seen, or at least he believes what he has seen." According to Holloway father wanted to wait until the search totally tank was dry. "But the weather did not cooperate."

Before specialist Golba Friday to Aruba departed, he told a local TV station that he was planning his hands in the mud to stabbing and around bones and a feel to sneakers. His dog was in the meantime, in the swampy area to find the body. "I have more confidence in this quest than anything else that I must visit the island to have done," said Golba in the TV interview.



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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #649 on: March 23, 2009, 09:59:10 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54292.php

Aruba
 
U.S. media: "Police search frustrates Holloway '

March 23, 2009, 15:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The private search of father Dave Holloway to the body of his daughter to the dam of Monserat is probably only started this morning. The planned search last weekend was postponed by the police, reports the American press agency The Associated Press. According to the Public Prosecutor (OM) is this. "The appointment was not earlier today to start searching," said spokeswoman Angela Ann.
 
Dave has specialist Fred Golba and a ranger, trained to detect corpses, flown in to re-look at the dam. It was looking for already at that location after a witness indicated that this was the suspect Joran van der Sloot muddy near the reservoir would have seen.

"I am almost four years to find and I plan to take all evidence and every piece of evidence to examine," says Dave. "The witness has seen what he has seen, or at least he believes what he has seen." According to Holloway father wanted to wait until the search totally tank was dry. "But the weather did not cooperate."

Before specialist Golba Friday to Aruba departed, he told a local TV station that he was planning his hands in the mud to stabbing and around bones and a feel to sneakers. His dog was in the meantime, in the swampy area to find the body. "I have more confidence in this quest than anything else that I must visit the island to have done," said Golba in the TV interview.





I still want to know how one man thinks he can stick is arm into different areas of that huge pond and come up with anything???  It would take years to search that pond with his "method".  You sure as hell need to know where to stick your arm in to search.  I like San's statement...watch out for 2 bubbles.....


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« Reply #650 on: March 23, 2009, 10:00:43 PM »

well, I screwed up that post,  here were my comments.....  I would ask the mod's to fix it, but I know they are busy with Janet.   

I still want to know how one man thinks he can stick is arm into different areas of that huge pond and come up with anything???  It would take years to search that pond with his "method".  You sure as hell need to know where to stick your arm in to search.  I like San's statement...watch out for 2 bubbles.....
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« Reply #651 on: March 23, 2009, 10:02:26 PM »

well, I screwed up that post,  here were my comments.....  I would ask the mod's to fix it, but I know they are busy with Janet.   

I still want to know how one man thinks he can stick is arm into different areas of that huge pond and come up with anything???  It would take years to search that pond with his "method".  You sure as hell need to know where to stick your arm in to search.  I like San's statement...watch out for 2 bubbles.....

 
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« Reply #652 on: March 23, 2009, 10:03:36 PM »

Would the pond, in question, be dry or full of water on May 31, 2005?

Buckshot, I think the pond had water in it back in May of 05.  I cannot back that up so maybe another smart monkey knows or has a link. 

Or maybe I am assuming that the pond had water in it because of the witness stating that he saw Joran coming from there and he was wet from the chest down.  At this point, I really don't know.

 
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« Reply #653 on: March 23, 2009, 10:03:44 PM »

Grupo di barco Mericano "Persistance" ta busca den dam na Montserat

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=858&Itemid=1


OE Wrote:
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.220


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« Reply #2727 on: February 26, 2008, 09:29:40 AM »

The pond in question (MOKO) is right out near the Whitehouse Apartment.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2720
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The last two picture is the Soledad Pond:

Some People call it also the Slinja Pond but officialy it is the Soledad Pond
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May 8, 2008 - CAPS posted about the pond
(It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.
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« Reply #654 on: March 23, 2009, 10:08:01 PM »

well, I screwed up that post,  here were my comments.....  I would ask the mod's to fix it, but I know they are busy with Janet.   

I still want to know how one man thinks he can stick is arm into different areas of that huge pond and come up with anything???  It would take years to search that pond with his "method".  You sure as hell need to know where to stick your arm in to search.  I like San's statement...watch out for 2 bubbles.....

   Might take a lot of arms and hands to cover that pond!

But on a serious note, Dave H. must believe that Natalee's remains may be there??  I just wonder what Dave thinks about what was in the cage?  Is that subject tabu?

 
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« Reply #655 on: March 23, 2009, 10:09:00 PM »

Would the pond, in question, be dry or full of water on May 31, 2005?

I don't know for sure.  We know the pond near the Marriott had water in it but this is a different pond.  My guess is there would be some water.
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« Reply #656 on: March 23, 2009, 10:09:21 PM »

Joran said in the Godfather Peter R DeVries taped confession that he stuffed his shoes in a drainage like "canal" or tube... is there a overflow drainage tube there Kyle?

Kyle:
The sonar data is irrelevant once the pond has been drained and searched.  If something solid was larger than a baseball it likely would be detectable with sonar.
There was a drainage pipe there.  It was large enough to craw through.  It was long and by looking into it, there was no end in sight and very nasty.  Trust me.  This has all been thought of before.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.160

Kyle:
I'll try to clarify a few points. Nice pics by the way.
- The pond was searched because of a promising lead we received.   I a
- We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search. 
- My analysis of the sonar was used to 1) show that the pond needed to be drained in opposed to be investigated with divers.  The only way to effectively search the pond would be if it were dry. 2) show that there were objects in the pond aside from tires.  I'm not commenting on what these objects could be because I'm not speculating.  I will say that I at least saw tires (I saw a pic of one somewhere) in the scanning sonar.
- The reason the pond search was so delayed was on account of the labor strike.  The pond needed to be completely drained which needed the help of the Polis and fire department.  Needless to say labor was needed and hard to come by.  When the strike ended the pond search happened almost immediately.
- No one said the 40-52 (whatever) investigators from Holland ever stepped foot in or near the pond.  The timing is coincident.  Did anyone see these investigators anywhere near the pond?  I don't think so.   

I hope that cleared up more questions that it raises.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.140


"The Monserat pond was searched after it was pumped dry.  No one is commenting on the pond search".
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.40


Kyle to John Silvetti:
The information about the pond search was all first posted on Scared Monkeys (SM) by a poster who goes by the screen name CapsLockWizard.

The first post of CapsLockWizard’s that I noticed was posted on: (SM) January 17, 2008, 10:18:50 PM
Remains were taken on January 17 sent to the FBI on January 22/24..............
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]I knew from this post that he had a contact on the inside of ALE. I believe his contact is Clyde Burke, who is ALE.


John to Kyle:
It might interest you to know that people are digging in that pond as we speak! Who are they?? No one knows. The Polis did not drain that pond and they did not search it, period! That is the issues that I have been dealing with."

Kyle: It is the pond and he's not saying it isn't, just that the pond wasn't searched yet. I was under the impression that it was. John says it wasn't. Apparently it wasn't drained, but dried up on it's own
Apparently the relationship between him, Mos, and the Polis is complicated

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« Reply #658 on: March 23, 2009, 10:11:15 PM »

Grupo di barco Mericano "Persistance" ta busca den dam na Montserat

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=858&Itemid=1


OE Wrote:
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.220


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« Reply #2727 on: February 26, 2008, 09:29:40 AM »

The pond in question (MOKO) is right out near the Whitehouse Apartment.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2720
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The last two picture is the Soledad Pond:

Some People call it also the Slinja Pond but officialy it is the Soledad Pond
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May 8, 2008 - CAPS posted about the pond
(It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

But the pond did dry up, Jossy even took a shoe that was found and turned it over to ALE.  Why didn't Caps let his "uncle" go and stick his hands in the mud when it was dryed up? 

Crazy isn't it Kermie?
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« Reply #659 on: March 23, 2009, 10:12:20 PM »

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« Reply #1486 on: May 08, 2008, 05:34:17 AM »

History: It was 3 day before Christmas and my dad and I were talking how strange that this girl has vanished from the radar and no one knows where she is. I google "Where is natalee" and it brought me to this place called SM and I read summery and then I remeber as a kid how I lost a brand new sneaker. Imaging comming home with one sneaker missing and telling dad that I lost it. Where? in the pond. (as a kid No one are allowed to go to these ponds due to if you feed get stuck in the mud and the sneaker is not tied down, it will stay in the mud when you tried to free one foot. in the past some kid drown becuase it is fresh water and do not have bouyence and when some one fell in, and when touch bottom, you feed will sink and get stuck.

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.

in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379904;topicseen#msg379904

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