Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[BUCKSHOT]

Kermit: ... what is the reason that you do not share? Is CAPS gonna come get us if we know who he is?

I hate to answer for Kermit -- but my guess is that the family has requested not to divulge that yet. (maybe AFETR this latest search)

That COULD be a logical explanation...

[texasmom]

http://www.wjbf.com/jbf/news/national/article/search_continues_for_natalie_holloway/12058/

(I can't believe they didn't spell Natalee's name right in this article!) 

snip
"Golba is chief of field operations for the Natalee Holloway Foundation." He’s been searching for her since 2005.
snip

Maybe this is why Dave sent Golba? 

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Neighbours just stopped in for a yak.  They had been walking their dog and ... felt like a hot drink of something.  It is very cold and damp out there today.

Janet
8:t0 PM PT

[BUCKSHOT]

Greta did not mention any of this tonight.  She is closer to Beth than Dave.  Is this further indication of some sort of rift?

Why didn't they just wait a few weeks until the pond was naturally dry to save Fred from all that arm in the mud routine?

So we have Julia and Fred of the AHATA team involved.  And Silvetti and Caps and maybe Jossy to lesser extent.

And a big rush that won't even wait for the dry season which is likely approaching.

Anna ... the pond was dry in May, 2008 ... logic dictates that a search by Fred Golba with his trust ysniffer dog who could detect remains below the surface of the dry pond bed should have been conducted at that time.

Considering almost a year has passed ... I agree with you ... waiting another couple of month for the water to dispell ... would make perfect sense.

However ... maybe the rush to "solve" that case does have something to do with Beth's movie coming out next month.

Janet

Those 2 words do not go in the same sentence in ARUBA.
Almost made me fall of my chair...

 

[Tamikosmom]

well, I screwed up that post,  here were my comments.....  I would ask the mod's to fix it, but I know they are busy with Janet.   

I still want to know how one man thinks he can stick is arm into different areas of that huge pond and come up with anything???  It would take years to search that pond with his "method".  You sure as hell need to know where to stick your arm in to search.  I like San's statement...watch out for 2 bubbles.....

Fixed it...equal opportunity, AZSunny.      

Thanks 2NJ....and I will never ask you to fix anything again!...

 

[billb's daughter]

Greta did not mention any of this tonight.  She is closer to Beth than Dave.  Is this further indication of some sort of rift?

Why didn't they just wait a few weeks until the pond was naturally dry to save Fred from all that arm in the mud routine?

So we have Julia and Fred of the AHATA team involved.  And Silvetti and Caps and maybe Jossy to lesser extent.

And a big rush that won't even wait for the dry season which is likely approaching.

I think it is pretty simple if you agree that Beth's approach to finding the truth surrounding Natalee's disappearance is to take anything coming from aruba as FOS.....They have lied directly to her and blamed her and Natalee from the beginning.
Dave's approach is that he will entertain anything from almost anyone, including known distractors on aruba, if there is any chance that he may find Natalee.
The movie is in the middle so to speak....Dave knows it won't help his approach, while Beth believes (me too) that pressure is the only way to get aruba to return Natalee and maybe provide answers/prosecutions.

[BUCKSHOT]

Just watched NG again:

(1) CLW produced this witness. CLW (a disinformant) and witness are not credible.

(2) Pond witness passed two polygraph tests. Witness (and CLW) are credible.

I am confused. Which one is it? Credible or not.

Anyone care to answer this, or give their opinion?

IF CLW produced witness is not credible, how would they pass polygraphs?
Would rather NOT have answer say that witness was skilled enough to beat the test.

Who really arranged for the polygraph testing?  Was it Tim Miller or was it John Silvetti?  That could have everything to do with what questions were asked.

But how can this witness look at a person and know where that person got wet?

As far as I know, these details have never been discussed...

Put that in the same bag as the contents of the trap, among other SNAFU's.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7812/8/

plantacion of marihuana y detencion at barcadera

monday, 23 march 2009 - 19:43

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(More pics at website)

[billb's daughter]

Quote:
Have to "one up" the reigning STACKAHOLIC CHAMP...
KLAAS.LOCK.WIZARD...(KLW)
I'll go with KLW.....
 
 

[Anna]

Greta did not mention any of this tonight.  She is closer to Beth than Dave.  Is this further indication of some sort of rift?

Why didn't they just wait a few weeks until the pond was naturally dry to save Fred from all that arm in the mud routine?

So we have Julia and Fred of the AHATA team involved.  And Silvetti and Caps and maybe Jossy to lesser extent.

And a big rush that won't even wait for the dry season which is likely approaching.

Anna ... the pond was dry in May, 2008 ... logic dictates that a search by Fred Golba with his trust ysniffer dog who could detect remains below the surface of the dry pond bed should have been conducted at that time.

Considering almost a year has passed ... I agree with you ... waiting another couple of month for the water to dispell ... would make perfect sense.

However ... maybe the rush to "solve" that case does have something to do with Beth's movie coming out next month.

Janet

Those 2 words do not go in the same sentence in ARUBA.
Almost made me fall of my chair...

 

What we mean is why the rush to search while the pond is still full of water?  After all this time, why not wait a few weeks until it is likely to be dry again?

Why does this search have to happen right this week when a dry pond would be so much easier to search? 

Late spring early summer seem to be the dry season and are fast approaching.

[IBE]

Just wanted to add how honored I feel when I read here. Thank you Monkey Family


PS  if you ever want to take a break from here, we could use some help in the Donna Jou Thread under missing persons. Please read from the part of where they have charged him to the end.. about 3 pages.

Kermit, if you see this, would you please, also hop over there?

I love my new avatar (O/T I know, but it's soooo pretty for my Monkey imp)

[AZSunny]

well, I screwed up that post,  here were my comments.....  I would ask the mod's to fix it, but I know they are busy with Janet.   

I still want to know how one man thinks he can stick is arm into different areas of that huge pond and come up with anything???  It would take years to search that pond with his "method".  You sure as hell need to know where to stick your arm in to search.  I like San's statement...watch out for 2 bubbles.....

Fixed it...equal opportunity, AZSunny.      

Thanks 2NJ....and I will never ask you to fix anything again!...

 

You make me laugh Janet, just teasing you.

[Lifesong]

Even if a body was weighted down in the pond, I don't believe remains would be so covered in mud that when the seasonal pond dried up, the remains would still be completed concealed in the mud and not exposed to easy detection.
The pond DRIES up every year...any remains would have been easily seen and discovered....reported to someone (ALE) at the least. I just can't believe IF that happened that ALE somehow was able to cover that up, considering all the international publicity going on with Natalee's disappearance through 2005.
IF remains are NOW FOUND in the pond by freddie and super snorkel dog...something is hinky.....moo

billb,

I don't think the mud would even cover a shoe entirely.  That bottom looks very solid and while it might pull off a shoe, a high top sneaker would likely still be poking up out of the mud.  I don't think much of anything gets buried in that mud because of the grass bottom preventing anything from totally being submerged under the mud.  Think about it.  The grass and it's root system would hold stuff above.

Exactly...
The island is built up on solid rock. They bury most people in crypts above ground because it is so hard to dig through the rock. The dried mud in the pond pics can not be more than a couple of inches think.....
Caps and his followers must think everyone else is just stupid for not following caps illogical BS...
Talk about STUPID......Caps/followers...WAKE UP!

Superb point, billb!!

I'm a few pages behind still, but it has occured to me that if remains are planted/found at the pond.....




Schaefer's tapes are worthless!!!   


           

[klaasend]

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/new_witness_provides_new_hope_in_natalee_holloways_disappearance/64874/


Courtesy: Julia Renfro
Retention pond in Aruba that private investigator plans to search

New witness provides new hope in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 23, 2009

A new witness is giving the father of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway new hope of solving her cold case, but Aruban officials are warning the witness’ story doesn’t add up. 

The new witness points to a retention pond close to Natalee Holloway’s hotel.

It is an area that’s been searched before, but it also has deep, hard to reach places.

A private investigator working the case says this is the best lead he’s had in four years.

The new witness says the night Natalee disappeared, he saw main suspect Joran van der Sloot emerge from the pond, wet and missing one shoe.

The witness passed an American polygraph test while telling this story.

“Joran van der Sloot waded out here in the water and you know when out chest-deep and let her body go in this retention pond,“ theorizes private investigator Fred Golba.

Golba is now in Aruba to search the retention pond, at the request of Natalee’s father Dave Holloway, but Aruban officials say the witness’ story doesn’t fit.

“They think that the witness is telling the truth, it’s just that he saw somebody else. It was not Joran van der Sloot,“ says Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today.

Renfro explains the witness’ story doesn’t match the timeline detectives have established for the night Natalee disappeared.

Mainly at the exact time the witness says he saw someone emerging from the pond, internet records show van der Sloot - or someone with his log-on name - was at the van der Sloot home connected to the internet.

Also the witness says the man emerging from the pond walked in the opposite direction of the van der Sloot home, not toward it.

Renfro says detectives think the man the witness saw had nothing to do with Natalee’s case.

“There’s a bar very near there it’s open until 4 or 5 so it’s possible someone just kind of rolled into the pond,“ says Renfro.

Perhaps time will tell.

Whether the witness’ story turns out to be true, Renfro says the Aruban people understand and welcome the efforts of Natalee’s family to find answers. 

“Anything that we can do to help Natalee’s family get results, we’re here for that,“ she says.

[Anna]

Possible reasons to search right NOW

The movie is coming out and AHATA wants to get in the first punch

Mos is leaving

Fred and multi-tasking wonder dog have so many other assignements

Fred wanted a vacation

AHATA says so

Other?

[BUCKSHOT]

Greta did not mention any of this tonight.  She is closer to Beth than Dave.  Is this further indication of some sort of rift?

Why didn't they just wait a few weeks until the pond was naturally dry to save Fred from all that arm in the mud routine?

So we have Julia and Fred of the AHATA team involved.  And Silvetti and Caps and maybe Jossy to lesser extent.

And a big rush that won't even wait for the dry season which is likely approaching.

Anna ... the pond was dry in May, 2008 ... logic dictates that a search by Fred Golba with his trust ysniffer dog who could detect remains below the surface of the dry pond bed should have been conducted at that time.

Considering almost a year has passed ... I agree with you ... waiting another couple of month for the water to dispell ... would make perfect sense.

However ... maybe the rush to "solve" that case does have something to do with Beth's movie coming out next month.

Janet

Those 2 words do not go in the same sentence in ARUBA.
Almost made me fall of my chair...

 

What we mean is why the rush to search while the pond is still full of water?  After all this time, why not wait a few weeks until it is likely to be dry again?

Why does this search have to happen right this week when a dry pond would be so much easier to search? 

Late spring early summer seem to be the dry season and are fast approaching.

Got it.

Those two words just sound funny in the same sentence when talking about ALE.

[Anna]

But you can't see the pond from the witness' house and Julia has even posted streetlight locations and full well knows it is not visible from the vantage point of the witness.

[Anna]

Julia called the suspects "the boys" again.  I hope those claiming to be such friends of Jug are comfortable being on her side of things.  Bet Jug does so appreciate that as well since she accused him of physically assaulting her.  Even though she is taller than he is and bigger, etc. lol.

[Magnolia]

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/new_witness_provides_new_hope_in_natalee_holloways_disappearance/64874/


Courtesy: Julia Renfro
Retention pond in Aruba that private investigator plans to search

New witness provides new hope in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 23, 2009

A new witness is giving the father of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway new hope of solving her cold case, but Aruban officials are warning the witness’ story doesn’t add up. 

The new witness points to a retention pond close to Natalee Holloway’s hotel.

It is an area that’s been searched before, but it also has deep, hard to reach places.

A private investigator working the case says this is the best lead he’s had in four years.

The new witness says the night Natalee disappeared, he saw main suspect Joran van der Sloot emerge from the pond, wet and missing one shoe.

The witness passed an American polygraph test while telling this story.

“Joran van der Sloot waded out here in the water and you know when out chest-deep and let her body go in this retention pond,“ theorizes private investigator Fred Golba.

Golba is now in Aruba to search the retention pond, at the request of Natalee’s father Dave Holloway, but Aruban officials say the witness’ story doesn’t fit.

“They think that the witness is telling the truth, it’s just that he saw somebody else. It was not Joran van der Sloot,“ says Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today.

Renfro explains the witness’ story doesn’t match the timeline detectives have established for the night Natalee disappeared.

Mainly at the exact time the witness says he saw someone emerging from the pond, internet records show van der Sloot - or someone with his log-on name - was at the van der Sloot home connected to the internet.

Also the witness says the man emerging from the pond walked in the opposite direction of the van der Sloot home, not toward it.

Renfro says detectives think the man the witness saw had nothing to do with Natalee’s case.

“There’s a bar very near there it’s open until 4 or 5 so it’s possible someone just kind of rolled into the pond,“ says Renfro.

Perhaps time will tell.

Whether the witness’ story turns out to be true, Renfro says the Aruban people understand and welcome the efforts of Natalee’s family to find answers. 

“Anything that we can do to help Natalee’s family get results, we’re here for that,“ she says.

That Julia Renfro is such a POS.  She lies with every breath she takes!  MOO

[texasmom]

Greta did not mention any of this tonight.  She is closer to Beth than Dave.  Is this further indication of some sort of rift?

Why didn't they just wait a few weeks until the pond was naturally dry to save Fred from all that arm in the mud routine?

So we have Julia and Fred of the AHATA team involved.  And Silvetti and Caps and maybe Jossy to lesser extent.

And a big rush that won't even wait for the dry season which is likely approaching.

Anna ... the pond was dry in May, 2008 ... logic dictates that a search by Fred Golba with his trust ysniffer dog who could detect remains below the surface of the dry pond bed should have been conducted at that time.

Considering almost a year has passed ... I agree with you ... waiting another couple of month for the water to dispell ... would make perfect sense.

However ... maybe the rush to "solve" that case does have something to do with Beth's movie coming out next month.

Janet

Those 2 words do not go in the same sentence in ARUBA.
Almost made me fall of my chair...

 

What we mean is why the rush to search while the pond is still full of water?  After all this time, why not wait a few weeks until it is likely to be dry again?

Why does this search have to happen right this week when a dry pond would be so much easier to search? 

Late spring early summer seem to be the dry season and are fast approaching.

Please don't throw bananas at me but......I don't know if there was any truth to it or not, but the last time it was dry I was told that equipment was there to excavate it, but too much rain prevented the excavation. 

Fact:
Caterpillar just opened a branch in Aruba in the past month.

Opinion:
This Caterpillar branch opened there for a reason.  I think there's going to be a lot of earth moving going on.
Maybe they plan on excavating that area when it's dry enough.

Just sayin'