Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Anna]

We have those photos poor quality that they are of what was in the evidence baggies.  Whatever Fred finds can't match the contents without being just too obvious.  In other words, he has to come up with something besides hip socket, pelvic section or skull.

[Magnolia]

The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."


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Well, I may be the only exception but I think Dave Holloway is talking about THE GUY HE, etc. bugging him and not the concept of what the man had to say.

And we do know he also had his phone number changed, something this whole family is likely to be wanting to do from the high number of people who have inserted or attempted to insert themselves into this tragedy.  I believe they sometimes call it "doing something" as though that automatically means something positive.  It doesn't.

To me, he means what he says.  And shame of this person if they are just another gloryhound playing games that torture this family in this never ending way.

Dave wouldn't even know to worry about the pond if not for this new found witness and Caps now would he?

I agree with you Anna.

Remove the descriptive phrase[whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond] from the sentence and then read it.

The guy has been bugging me for some time.  JMO

[Lifesong]

The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."


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Well, I may be the only exception but I think Dave Holloway is talking about THE GUY HE, etc. bugging him and not the concept of what the man had to say.

And we do know he also had his phone number changed, something this whole family is likely to be wanting to do from the high number of people who have inserted or attempted to insert themselves into this tragedy.  I believe they sometimes call it "doing something" as though that automatically means something positive.  It doesn't.

To me, he means what he says.  And shame of this person if they are just another gloryhound playing games that torture this family in this never ending way.

Dave wouldn't even know to worry about the pond if not for this new found witness and Caps now would he?

I totally agree, Anna. 

The quote is not:

"this guy's testimony has been bugging me"

nor is it:

"what this guy  believes he saw keeps bugging me".


NO.


Dave said, "The guy....has been bugging me."


That's how I read it.

[Tamikosmom]

The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."


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Well, I may be the only exception but I think Dave Holloway is talking about THE GUY HE, etc. bugging him and not the concept of what the man had to say.

And we do know he also had his phone number changed, something this whole family is likely to be wanting to do from the high number of people who have inserted or attempted to insert themselves into this tragedy.  I believe they sometimes call it "doing something" as though that automatically means something positive.  It doesn't.

To me, he means what he says.  And shame of this person if they are just another gloryhound playing games that torture this family in this never ending way.

Dave wouldn't even know to worry about the pond if not for this new found witness and Caps now would he?

I agree with you Anna.

Remove the descriptive phrase[whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond] from the sentence and then read it.

The guy has been bugging me for some time.  JMO

I have my feet planted on both sides of the fence on this issue.

 

When I read that paragraph I can perceive it from both angles.

There are two reasons I believe that Dave Holloway is implying that he could not get the witness out of his mind and ... therefore he initiated the search.

1.  Dave Holloway is too respectful to refer to the witness' urgings to search the pond as "bugging".

2.  All the other media articles imply that it was Dave who wanted to rule out the pond.

IMO.

Janet

[texasmom]

KY cat.....Hi there....good for you on the smoking....I will be sick if Fred pulls out a Adidas tennis shoe...I believe blue stripes....size 10 - 14.  There is no parent who thinks that is a substitute for their child....and the statement is insulting.

This is the time however for aruba to do the right thing....and as usual we will sit and watch and wait to see what it is they do this time.

Is this all about money?  Is there still $250K reward money out there for some to split?

If it isn't about money, what is it?  Why would aruba try to put themselves in the spotlight again?  I hope it is because this will be the last hurrah....they will release her to her family. 

Aruba is going to close this case after this one last search.  Those files WILL NEVER be released to the family.  They will never want to hear the name Holloway ever again.

Aruba....You can't always get what you want!   



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_0jyKabLHVc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/_0jyKabLHVc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>

[Tamikosmom]

I find it suspicious that Fred Golba almost mimics CapsLockWizard's word in regards to the sneaker and remains.

Janet

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CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2830 on: February 28, 2008, 04:33:01 AM »

At 9:00 will go over there (Persistence sonar search) to amke sure they do not mis a spot....The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg356675;topicseen


Chicopee Man Leading Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted: March 20, 2009 03:20 PM PDT
Updated: March 21, 2009 08:37 AM PDT

Golda plans to comb the Aruban pond for any signs of Natalee's remains or van der Sloot's sneaker.  He says, "I want to stick in my arm from my elbow to my shoulder and feel for bones and Joran's sneaker...If we can find that sneaker in there than that whole pond becomes a crime scene and changes the playing game."

http://www.abc40tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10045093

[Anna]

Tips and Information from those claiming to know that this famiy has received = 100's

Ones that actually came to anything = 0

Marcos was probably bugging Dave Holloway and Tim Miller, too.  Yet another wild goose chase.

It seems to be a sick game for some people.  Also contacting the family just because one can and knows they are likely to try to take most all calls because they are desperate for information.

[texasmom]

The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."


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Well, I may be the only exception but I think Dave Holloway is talking about THE GUY HE, etc. bugging him and not the concept of what the man had to say.

And we do know he also had his phone number changed, something this whole family is likely to be wanting to do from the high number of people who have inserted or attempted to insert themselves into this tragedy.  I believe they sometimes call it "doing something" as though that automatically means something positive.  It doesn't.

To me, he means what he says.  And shame of this person if they are just another gloryhound playing games that torture this family in this never ending way.

Dave wouldn't even know to worry about the pond if not for this new found witness and Caps now would he?

I agree with you Anna.

Remove the descriptive phrase[whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond] from the sentence and then read it.

The guy has been bugging me for some time.  JMO

I have my feet planted on both sides of the fence on this issue.

When I read that paragraph I can perceive it from both angles.

There are two reasons I believe that Dave Holloway is implying that he could not get the witness out of his mind and ... therefore he initiated the search.

1.  Dave Holloway is too respectful to refer to the witness' urgings to search the pond as "bugging".

2.  All the other media articles imply that it was Dave who wanted to rule out the pond.

IMO.

Janet

[Lifesong]

Klaas,

In reading up on the front page posts I noticed comments on many of the Aruba postings from "Dolph". 

Didn't think much of it, but now I'm curious....

??  Can ya give me anything?

 


These are for you:   

[Anna]

How many times did CapsLockWizard post that all Dave Holloway had to do was come down and claim the body?  Then we know he got Dave's email address and was angry that Dave didn't respond quickly enough to suit him.

Then Dave sent him to his attorney in Aruba and even that didn't get rid of him.  Factor in HotShot who said she missed her chats with Dave after he had his phone number changed and did not give it to her.

Yeah, I'd say bugging would be an acceptable word to describe all of that.  I can think of much worse to call it.


It bugs me that Caps often referred to Dave Holloway as David when that is not his name as well.  Lots of things bug me. 

Right now I am bugged because we have the new AHATA position presented by Julia that it was not even Joran who was seen.  If it wasn't Joran, how could Natalee be in the pond?

They need to just return her and end all of this.

[Tamikosmom]

Tips and Information from those claiming to know that this famiy has received = 100's

Ones that actually came to anything = 0

Marcos was probably bugging Dave Holloway and Tim Miller, too.  Yet another wild goose chase.

It seems to be a sick game for some people.  Also contacting the family just because one can and knows they are likely to try to take most all calls because they are desperate for information.

Anna ... I believe the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap. 

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

[texasmom]

Tips and Information from those claiming to know that this famiy has received = 100's

Ones that actually came to anything = 0

Marcos was probably bugging Dave Holloway and Tim Miller, too.  Yet another wild goose chase.

It seems to be a sick game for some people.  Also contacting the family just because one can and knows they are likely to try to take most all calls because they are desperate for information.

Anna ... I believe the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap. 

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

I agree.   

[Tamikosmom]

The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."


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Well, I may be the only exception but I think Dave Holloway is talking about THE GUY HE, etc. bugging him and not the concept of what the man had to say.

And we do know he also had his phone number changed, something this whole family is likely to be wanting to do from the high number of people who have inserted or attempted to insert themselves into this tragedy.  I believe they sometimes call it "doing something" as though that automatically means something positive.  It doesn't.

To me, he means what he says.  And shame of this person if they are just another gloryhound playing games that torture this family in this never ending way.

Dave wouldn't even know to worry about the pond if not for this new found witness and Caps now would he?

I agree with you Anna.

Remove the descriptive phrase[whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond] from the sentence and then read it.

The guy has been bugging me for some time.  JMO

I have my feet planted on both sides of the fence on this issue.

When I read that paragraph I can perceive it from both angles.

There are two reasons I believe that Dave Holloway is implying that he could not get the witness out of his mind and ... therefore he initiated the search.

1.  Dave Holloway is too respectful to refer to the witness' urgings to search the pond as "bugging".

2.  All the other media articles imply that it was Dave who wanted to rule out the pond.

IMO.

Janet

texasmom

I hope you are enjoying your visitation with "laughing girl".  It is getting close to her bedtime sooo ... if you don't mind sending her home ... I would appreciate it.

Janet

[Lifesong]

Published: March 24, 2009 10:44 am             

(10:50 a.m.) Natalee Holloway update
Holloway trying to cover all the possibilities

By Brian Livingston

blivingston@themeridianstar.com

Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said this morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "What if", either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

The latest search is centered around a water run-off retaining pond on the island. Aruban police say previous searches of the marshy area have turned up nothing. Holloway admitted all indications have pointed to the ocean as to where his daughter's body is likely located. But the little bit of doubt placed in his head by this "witness" gave Holloway pause.

Holloway contracted a tracker dog specialist to begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. Nothing was found during Monday's search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., was 18 when she was last seen in May 2005 in the Aruban capital Oranjestad on the final night of a high school graduation trip. She reportedly left a bar with Dutch man Joran van der Sloot. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_083114849.html

<<snipped pic>>

Two points:

1.  In addition to publicly stating that this guy's been bugging him, Dave is now the first to publicly cast doubt on the veracity of the polygraphs.  They've been upheld in the media as "proof" until now.

2.  The reason Dave couldn't see any reason why this guy would lie is because Dave never saw this:

REPOST

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg724242#msg724242


Front Page Postings

I. Background - Caps first FP post, he makes this comment on the 12/20 posting for Dana's show.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/

#14. CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 5:30 pm:

I do think that we all got it wrong..
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
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SM: Yes, good thinking and I have wondered about that myself. There is a cemetary not far from the Sloot home (klaasend)

#15.  CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 6:05 pm:

The Cemetary that are controlled by the churches and supervised are only 2, the one in San Nicholaas and the other is Santa Cruz

II.  This is where it gets hinky. - The next night.  Anonimo - CapsLockWizard

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;
I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.
Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.
I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.
As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case. You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?
Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.
There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.
Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.
I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.
But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?
The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.
The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.
Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.
Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.
Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?
“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”
How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.
If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.
Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.
Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.
This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.
Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something
A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?
Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????
The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question
IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?
Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.
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SM:
Mr. Anonimo, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/quotes
One doesn’t even know where to begin where trying to use reason and logic with what a 4th grader writes.
rambling, incoherent response :But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
If one had a brain, one would know that many marriages and relationships crumble under the stress and strain of a missing or murdered child.
http://www.scdyoung.ie/iopen24/pub/when_a_child_diesfinal.pdf
The above rantings have been consistently put out there by those that hate. Please do not embarrass yourself with utter stupidity.
We know know the following to be fact:
1. The suspects discussed prior to going out on the internet what they had intended to do that night. Because as we already knew, 3 boys who have admittedly done in 20 times before, do not go to C&C’s 1/2 hr prior to closing except to corner a girl to have their way with her.
2. One of the suspects, who was 1 of the 3 people last seen with Natalee Holloway, referred to Natalee in the past tense as being dead 5 hours after NH was last ever seen.
OK Sherlock, you do the math. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, unless you are a part of of ALE.
This scenario has happened God knows how many times in the US and in ever case the suspect last known seen with the victim was GUILTY!
R

# 26  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm

Why not answer the questions?

#27  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm

We all know what the alleged perps did and now let see the other side of the million…a coin has two side

#29  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:51 pm

Wel let see where we learn today from the criminals of the wolrd.. who make the guns? which one is more corrupt Democrat or Republicans..Let see on Wall Street who is more Corrupt… The watch CNN, CNBC, FOX etc down there…
The Arubans know what is going on but , yes there is a but… They learn from the states, from the Latins. etc. they see the world in an international way… not nacional..most of them watch CNN for news

#31  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:56 pm

and it is 3 internatioal perp that came to settle down to stir the peace…again, the moment a girls is lost or missing in the US they know…and the whole Island is interconnected to the Internet. and well educated…but like I said before… money is the source of corroption and deceid and extorcion. so do not forget this.. A million and nobody go for it…very rare indeed. while the whole island play Lotto florida and New York Lottery.

#39.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:33 am

ok maybe Aruba laws is not perfect. What so is the Law In China and other part of the world. OJ Simpson got awy with murder becuase of the glove did not fit. so he could not done it… so let look at the similairities and Marc furman…etc
I watched on TV in New York and we all was in desbelieve live went one and he went on with his live till recent incident
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SM: There is a vast difference between an imperfect legal system and a corrupt one. Learn the difference. That is your home work for today. Your sophomoric comparison is actually painful to even attempt to understand. Do you even have any comprehension what happened in the OJ trial? You mean to tell me that the judge of instruction in Aruba let three criminal suspects off because the Dutch and people from Suriname have been taken advantage of by the Aruban legal system and this was Aruba’s form of jury nullification? Get a clue as to what you are talking about before you actually post, please.
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#41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am

I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds was is now merge and no one seems to know where it is… so be patient and we shall see.
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SM: Logic, huh? LOL … now that’s humorous.
I guess you missed this picture, conveniently enough.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg
Fool, the family is not on trial … we all know who committed the crime against Natalee …

#43  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:27 am

ok lets look at the side of the perps.
Question. If you want to take out a girl to get laid, where would you go to do it knowing she has a roomate in he room? answer please

#44  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:30 am

also knowing that they have money and well dress for the night.

#48.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 4:19 am

I think I figured it all out but I am missing a peace of information… on what roud or rout did the father pickup joran and what is the town that joram live..

#71 Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.
The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”  <<Snipped this very, very long post, click here to read the whole thing - Comment #71.>>

#73  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 2:38 am

To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…
What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.

# 75  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 3:03 am

By the way, they neveer search the area I have pinted out to Zion and from the map it seems that for some reason they concentrated in the wrong area.. The places are very close from Joran Home… The problem is that these kid played the investigators so well and by using the tacktic I will cooperate with you by desiving you method. They used the term I did not lie to you but you is the one that did believe me technique. and since his Fatheer was a Judge the Investigator played by there tune.
Anyway more to come….

#76  Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am

I think I solve the mystery in this whole case.

#77 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am

To 10061906, you mention some places and from this I can determined that you do not know not a thing about aruba.. you could have said the Light House so that i could have prove you wrong…but anyway all your answers are wrong.

#78 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

I need the email for Beth Twitty, Does any one has her email address.
Thnks

[Anna]

Janet,
I agree that may well be what was behind the Marcos scam but my point I guess would be the method.  Bugging Dave Holloway because I don't believe for one minute that after four years and ten months and all that has been suggested and presented to these weary parents, they are just jumping for joy when they receive any of these far out tips.

I think it is with bone-weariness that they continue to pursue them.  And I think bugging them is on the agenda of those who continue to do this.  If they bug enough they think they will get their pet theories checked out.

Or in the case of Marcos, achieve whatever it is they want such as Miller removed from seeing any more ROV footages.

[klaasend]

Klaas,

In reading up on the front page posts I noticed comments on many of the Aruba postings from "Dolph". 

Didn't think much of it, but now I'm curious....

??  Can ya give me anything?

 


These are for you:   

Dolf appears to be Dutch and not Aruban and not posting from Aruba. 

[Lifesong]

Thank you!

That saved a LOT of time!

[Lifesong]

Nancy Grace Transcript 3/23/09

New Search in Natalee Holloway Disappearance


Aired March 23, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news in the sudden disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing off her high school senior trip, Aruba. Aruban police can`t or won`t make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot in the disappearance of Holloway, even after a Dutch crime reporter takes months of high-tech secret surveillance proving what happened the night the Alabama beauty vanished.

But tonight, the Holloway murder investigation back, back on the front burner, cadaver dogs and searchers at a pond just one mile from where Natalee last seen alive, a new witness coming forward to say he spots Joran Van Der Sloot just after Natalee`s disappearance leaving the very same area. With him, Paulus Van Der Sloot, his father. The witness even IDs the judge`s vehicle and then passes two independent polygraphs. Tonight, investigators combing the bottom of the pond for clues, including the bones of the 17-year-old Alabama beauty.

<<snipped>>


GRACE: Jossy, has this pond ever been drained?

MANSUR: No, this pond was never drained. The pond across the street from the Marriott Hotel was drained. This pond was searched superficially in the past.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TWITTY: They have really had just such a botched investigation from the beginning. And whether that was due to incompetence or corruption or cover-up, I mean, we don`t know.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/23/ng.01.html

How's he going to call a side-scan sonar search "superficial"?


Why is the side-scan sonar search of this pond such a big secret? 


I think it's very hinky that neither Jossy nor Renho mentioned it.

And where is Kyle?  Here's your big chance Kyle....you could maybe finally get yourself paid for an interview! 

 

[Anna]

Does anyone think CLW was going for the reward?  Certainly was full of himself.  And he did become very upset when de Vries was claiming to have solved it all.

I wonder what came of his wanting Beth's email address.  Guess he was wanting to bug her as well.  Must not have been successful.

And posting about the insurance scam under another name, posting about Beth lying, etc.  Don't Arubans know the FBI can check insurance clearing houses and know in a flash who has a policy on whom?  No exeptions.  Don't they think this would be a matter of routine?

[Blue Moon]

KY cat.....Hi there....good for you on the smoking....I will be sick if Fred pulls out a Adidas tennis shoe...I believe blue stripes....size 10 - 14.  There is no parent who thinks that is a substitute for their child....and the statement is insulting.

This is the time however for aruba to do the right thing....and as usual we will sit and watch and wait to see what it is they do this time.

Is this all about money?  Is there still $250K reward money out there for some to split?

If it isn't about money, what is it?  Why would aruba try to put themselves in the spotlight again?  I hope it is because this will be the last hurrah....they will release her to her family. 

Aruba is going to close this case after this one last search.  Those files WILL NEVER be released to the family.  They will never want to hear the name Holloway ever again.

Aruba....You can't always get what you want!   



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_0jyKabLHVc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/_0jyKabLHVc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>

I like that song. Geesh, that was surely in their younger days.  (I have tickets to see Charlie Daniels band next weekend--can't wait)