Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Kermit]

Janet - don't get me started on that aspect of it 

I'm with ya on that.
someone gave me the answers and I don't want to repeat it.

[Anna]

Goldba said finding Joran's shoes would be just as good as finding Natalee.  Does he think the shoes can be returned to Alabama and we will have a funeral for Joran's sneakers?

He seems to also be taking credit for 9/11 victims when I hardly think that required search efforts since it was already know where they were.

And yet Tim Miller is a good horse that has been almost rode to death to use a cowboy analogy so I doubt he is currently able to attempt a search and of course things did not go well with Mos last time Tim was there, something I consider a GOOD sign instead of bad.

I wouldn't leave a dog in the care of ATA agent Renfro for fear of what might happen to the dog.

Yes, we remembered the bashing of others by that search team but were reluctant to mention it as we were already being accused of failure to support justice for Natalee.  However, some people's concept of what justice actually is is very strange and obscure.

Anybody can buy a pair of sneakers and pretend to find them.  It's Natalee that we want.  Nothing less will do and it won't fool anybody, either.  Well, except those for whom logic dictates nothing and blind support for the Aruban agenda is paramount.

[Frijole]

When he sticks his hand in the water are the bones going to be in nicely packed plastic bags.

And will Caps be under the mud passing them?

OK Fred are you ready.  When you see me make three bubbles stick your hand in the water.  If it is only two bubbles just say the dog farted.

[Tamikosmom]

Robin Holloway
BFN
November 17, 2006

I am not sure who is posting riddles or why! I don't understand why anyone would do that! There were a lot of rumors going around and I hope MIP6 was able to put some of them to rest when he made this initial topic post. We are just glad he is doing what he can to help us and I want to thank Reality for all he did to put Dave and I directly in contact with him. We need all the help we can get when it comes to finding Natalee and MIP6 is trying to help us do just that!


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MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16

I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Mark Purcell
Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag (thanks Wang) banshee of a mother


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

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Lots more quotes at:

Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0

[San]

Goldba said finding Joran's shoes would be just as good as finding Natalee.  Does he think the shoes can be returned to Alabama and we will have a funeral for Joran's sneakers?

He seems to also be taking credit for 9/11 victims when I hardly think that required search efforts since it was already know where they were.

And yet Tim Miller is a good horse that has been almost rode to death to use a cowboy analogy so I doubt he is currently able to attempt a search and of course things did not go well with Mos last time Tim was there, something I consider a GOOD sign instead of bad.

I wouldn't leave a dog in the care of ATA agent Renfro for fear of what might happen to the dog.

Yes, we remembered the bashing of others by that search team but were reluctant to mention it as we were already being accused of failure to support justice for Natalee.  However, some people's concept of what justice actually is is very strange and obscure.

Anybody can buy a pair of sneakers and pretend to find them.  It's Natalee that we want.  Nothing less will do and it won't fool anybody, either.  Well, except those for whom logic dictates nothing and blind support for the Aruban agenda is paramount.

It's insulting that they think we are falling for this stuff.  Maybe others can fall for it but I most certainly don't.

[Anna]

This quote by John Silvetti, below, got me thinking:

For example, John Silvetti has taken samples from the pond bottom to determine how deep they have to dig for to find something from four years ago. Silvetti: “I have asked Mos to send samples to the FBI, because I’m not allowed to do that. But as far as I know, those samples are still in the refrigerator at the police station.
http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Silvetti stated he is not allowed to send samples (evidence) to the FBI, by which I assume he means the FBI Labs.  Looking for actual verification of this, even though it does ring true, I went to the FBI's website. 

There, under the Basic FAQs, I found the following:

Does the FBI Laboratory conduct examinations of evidence for anyone other than the FBI?
Yes. In addition to performing examinations for its own cases, the FBI Laboratory conducts scientific examinations of evidence, free of charge, for any duly constituted federal, state, and/or local law enforcement organization within the United States. Such services also may be made available to foreign law enforcement agencies under special agreement between the Attorney General and the Secretary of State.
http://www.fbi.gov/aboutus/faqs/faqsone.htm

Well, that wasn't quite enough information for me, so I kept looking and ended up here:

Handbook of Forensic Services 2007
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/handbook/forensics.pdf

The forensic services of the FBI Laboratory Division and the Operational Technology Division are available to the following:

• FBI field offices and legal attachés.
• U.S. attorneys, military tribunals, and other federal agencies for civil and criminal matters.
• State, county, and municipal law enforcement agencies in the United States and territorial possessions for criminal matters

and, a few pages further, here:

Submitting Evidence
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/handbook/forensics.pdf  (page 7)

All international law enforcement agency/police requests should be coordinated through the appropriate FBI legal attaché (LEGAT). LEGATs should fax the request to the Evidence Control Unit, 703-632-8334, prior to submitting any evidence to the Laboratory. Questions concerning international submissions should be directed to 703-632-8360.

We already know this, but to be absolutely clear, the FBI describes their legal attache's as follows:

Legal Attaché Offices
http://www.fbi.gov/contact/legat/legat.htm

For more than six decades, the FBI has stationed agents and other personnel overseas to help protect Americans back home by building relationships with principal law enforcement, intelligence, and services around the globe and facilitating a prompt and continuous exchange of information.

Today, we have Legal Attaché offices—commonly known as Legats—and smaller sub-offices in 75 key cities around the globe, providing coverage for more than 200 countries, territories, and islands. Each office is established through mutual agreement with the host country and is situated in the U.S. embassy or consulate in that nation.

Our Legal Attaché program is managed by the Office of International Operations at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. This office keeps in close contact with other federal agencies, Interpol, foreign police and security officers in Washington, and national and international law enforcement associations. International liaison and information sharing are conducted in accordance with Executive Orders, laws, treaties, Attorney General Guidelines, FBI policies, and interagency agreements.

We already knew this as well, but just to re-verify...which legat would Aruba be going through to coordinate the submission of evidence to the FBI labs? 

http://www.fbi.gov/contact/legat/americas.htm

Bridgetown, Barbados
American Embassy: 1-246-436-4950
Nassau Suboffice
American Consulate: 1-242-322-1181
Nations covered: Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Aruba, the Bahamas, Barbados, Bermuda, Bonaire, Cayman Islands, Curaçao, Dominica, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Martinique,  Montserrat, Saba, St. Bathelemy, St. Christopher (St. Kitts) and Nevis, St. Eustatius, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Martin, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, and the Turks and Caicos Islands.

According to FBI Lab protocol - Mos/ALE had to go through the Barbados Legat to submit the material (or anything else) to the FBI Lab anyway.

So, it seems to me that a proper protocol onboard the Persistence could (and should) have been to recover any evidence they found themselves, (without contacting the Aruban authorities first) then contact the Barbados Legat and turn over the evidence to them, leaving the FBI then responsible for getting the evidence to Mos/ALE, and coordinating the submission of that evidence to the FBI Labs on behalf of the Prosecutor.

Why, oh why, did anyone ever agree to perform a search under the condition that ALE receive first contact upon discovery of potential evidence or remains?


JMO and only MO.

YES and why was a boat guy out there meeting with a potential witness of a crime and lallygagging around the pond that is suppose to be a potential crime scene.

Exactly!  You'd think someone with the authority to do all of that could at least submit samples to the FBI lab.  I also find it very strange that it was the CIA instead of the FBI that conducted the polygraph tests because U.S. citizens well being abroad clearly falls under the jurisdiction of the FBI instead.

Who told Goldba that Joran just waded into the pond and turned lose of the body and if so, why was it not clearly visible like the tire was?  Did he just make that up or is Caps and Company supplying the information?  Same thing, really.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - don't get me started on that aspect of it 

I'm with ya on that.
someone gave me the answers and I don't want to repeat it.

Klaasend and Kemit

Please fill me in.  I do not have clue what you are talking about.

I do not have an answer to why Robin Holloway would uphold and trust MIP6 and Reality.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

It's insulting that they think we are falling for this stuff.  Maybe others can fall for it but I most certainly don't.

The media and most of American do not have an indepth knowledge of the all the aspects of the corrupt investigation and all those who play a roll in furthering the Aruban agenda.  In other words ... BS can be accepted without question.

I cannot wait until Beth's movie is released.  Those who may not pick up her tell-all book LOVING NATALEE may watch this movie and become informed that almost four years ago a 18 year old American citizen was denied justice by an Aruban cover.

Janet

[klaasend]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

[Anna]

Janet - don't get me started on that aspect of it 

I'm with ya on that.
someone gave me the answers and I don't want to repeat it.

Klaasend and Kemit

Please fill me in.  I do not have clue what you are talking about.

I do not have an answer to why Robin Holloway would uphold and trust MIP6 and Reality.

 

Janet

Janet,

I don't think anybody would know the answer as to why this happened and it is a real Twilight Zone for most of us, especially those who have been viciously attacked by these people she trusts.

So we have just tried not to go there and question because no one has presented any logical reason for it and we don't want to appear not to support the family no matter how stange the actions seem.
I for one do not know what to think about it and so just try not to think about it at all.  Too painful.

My first loyalty is to justice and Natalee and second is to Beth.  That's just the way I see it and the way I feel and what I think and what I know and no one will ever make me think otherwise.

[MuffyBee]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

   

[Tamikosmom]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

That is what I heard through the internet grapevine.  However ... the few PMs Reality send me when I was a member of BFN ... were far from sweet.  I guess I do not have what it takes.

 

Janet

[MuffyBee]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

That is what I heard through the internet grapevine.  However ... the few PMs Reality send me when I was a member of BFN ... were far from sweet.  I guess I do not have what it takes.

 

Janet

Janet ~  I don't think you really want what it takes.  (whatever IT is)  JMHO  Reality bites...

[Anna]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

That is what I heard through the internet grapevine.  However ... the few PMs Reality send me when I was a member of BFN ... were far from sweet.  I guess I do not have what it takes.

 

Janet

Oh, I received one of the sweet ones and responded that I wasn't interested and blocked any future ones.

Apparently, he usually has better luck.

[Helen Back]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

   

Oh that's gross!   

[Anna]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

   

At least he thinks that he is!  Worse than gross, I would say evil.

[texasmom]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

   

At least he thinks that he is!  Worse than gross, I would say evil.

Me too.



If not, they have a very close relationship!   

[billb's daughter]

When I watch Fred Golba my BS meter just goes off the chart when I see him talk   

A body "let go in a pond" would have floated back up.
If the body was weighted down, the body gases would make it float back up ie: Laci Peterson

* Dompig
* Caps witness
* pond
* Silvetti
* trap contents were: skull, bones, shoe
* Aruba thinks handing over the bones of Natalee will close it out and they won't have to bring justice, they won't close the case so they do not have to hand over any documents/evidence and Joran and Kalpoes go remain free.
* They need someone they can trust to hand over Natalee's body, someone that is friends with them.



'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/

 

Kermit..
I agree with your post  but not sure if THIS (Freddie's & Rhino) is the search aruba will return Natalee remains.
Of course, if anything is returned, there won't be any forensic evidence other the "possibly" it is Natalee.
Nothing will be returned that will link the perps to the crime...moo
What do you think the possibility is that Natalee will be returned during this search? 10%  - 90%?

[Tamikosmom]

Let's just say that Reality is supposed to be quite the sweet talking ladys man 

That is what I heard through the internet grapevine.  However ... the few PMs Reality send me when I was a member of BFN ... were far from sweet.  I guess I do not have what it takes.

 

Janet

Oh, I received one of the sweet ones and responded that I wasn't interested and blocked any future ones.

Apparently, he usually has better luck.

Anna ... maybe it was your avatar.  Obviously, a 62 year old granny soaring over the American landscape on the back of a duck is a turn-off.
Edit to fix typos- 2 for 1 special tonight.
 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

EDIT:

granning s/b granny

Fixed.