Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[jen3560]

Hi all! I'm going to ask a pretty stupid question............... won't be my first or last..   

Since Aruba is an island, is it possible that ponds in Aruba get filled with water that become brackish so that there is a salt content?

I was always under the impression that retention pond only ever had rainwater in it, and once the wet season is over, it drains very rapidly.

[jen3560]

Klaas email 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hi all! I'm going to ask a pretty stupid question............... won't be my first or last..   

Since Aruba is an island, is it possible that ponds in Aruba get filled with water that become brackish so that there is a salt content?

Good question.  When the pond by the Marriott was discussed, it did refill, but I forget if it was with sea water or rain. 

[trimmonthelake]

Hi all! I'm going to ask a pretty stupid question............... won't be my first or last..   

Since Aruba is an island, is it possible that ponds in Aruba get filled with water that become brackish so that there is a salt content?

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2009-03-23 07:52 AM    
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ARUBA: Natalee Holloway's father says investigator will search island pond for answers

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) _ The father of a U.S. teen who went missing nearly four years ago in Aruba said Sunday that a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers that have eluded the family throughout numerous false leads and fruitless searches.

Dave Holloway said tracker dog specialist Fred Golba, from Chicopee, Massachusetts, will begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. He said the tracker, who has searched for her eight times before, must be accompanied to the pond by Aruban police escorts, who delayed an anticipated weekend search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a high school graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

But Dave Holloway said a witness last year alleged that he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of the brackish pond in northwest Aruba with only one sneaker on after Natalee's disappearance. He said the witness has passed a polygraph test.

"I've been looking for (nearly) four years and I intend to search all the evidence and every lead," said Holloway, speaking to The Associated Press from his home in Meridian, Mississippi. "(The witness) saw what he saw _ or he believed he saw what he saw."

Sections of the remote pond area have been searched previously and no evidence was ever found.

Holloway said he had been waiting for the retention pond to dry up before commissioning this latest search, "but the weather has not been cooperative."

[Anna]

Hi all! I'm going to ask a pretty stupid question............... won't be my first or last..   

Since Aruba is an island, is it possible that ponds in Aruba get filled with water that become brackish so that there is a salt content?

Good question.  When the pond by the Marriott was discussed, it did refill, but I forget if it was with sea water or rain. 

Good Morning, All,

I think the pond by the Marriott did refill from the bottom and was thought to be refilling with seawater although don't think that was ever verified.

This one being a storm sewer retention pond would be filling from the top since it dries up totally without rainwater.  Could it have some salt content?  Possibly from the soil itself but would think it would be much lower than the actual ocean.

Wouldn't that have to compute as filling from rainwater would tend to make it less salty or possibly even totally without salt?  Otherwise it would have water all the time?

Dunno  and dunno what they are doing with this search at this particular time.  Will be grateful for any remains returned but will not settle for shoe and shoe is not just as good as Goldba is quoted as saying.  Not at all.  They sell them by the dozens at any shoe store.

[trimmonthelake]

Sorry I forgot the link to the article. 
http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=899998&lang=eng_news

[Anna]

First I felt hinky that this was Goldba from his past experience of being thisclose with ALE and Dompig.  Then the multi-tasking dog who is apparently so poorly trained he trashes hotel rooms and has kept extended company with Julia Renfro. 

Then the complete weekend delay.  Why that?  Doesn't Aruba have police service over the weekends?  How odd!  Why was this time needed?  How difficult would it have been to send a cop to sit around and watch and call for back up should anything be found?

You can count on one thing always and that is for Aruba to fail to do the thing that LOGIC DICTATES.  Maybe it comes from their instructors in that area.

[Tamikosmom]

WHY THE DIFFERENCE?

In February, 2008 the crew of the Persistence were given the freedom to scan the pond.  Why is resistriction being put on Fred Golba's search.

My Hinky Meter is on RED!

Janet

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Morning News Update
Last Edited: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 5:25 AM CDT
Created On: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 5:25 AM CDT

New Search Begins for Natalee Holloway

A new search is underway for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. Her father says a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers to bring closure to her family. Tracker dog specialist Fred Golba will begin his latest search for evidence into Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance today. Dave Holloway says the tracker must be accompanied by Aruban police escorts, who delayed a weekend search.

http://www.myfoxal.com/dpp/news/20090323Morning_News_Update


January 6, 2009
Press Anouncement
Ladies and gentlemen!

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction.

There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

[Anna]

This has probably already been posted but even if it has, I do think it bears repeating and do hope those blathering about the safety in Aruba and the entire region will bother to get their facts straight for a change.

Even having a low rating for the area is NOT something to be bragging about as they do when the area is now the highest in crime in the entire world.   And NO, the U.S. does NOT have a higher crime rate at all.  Some only want to compare to urban centers and not the over-all crime rate in this country.


Quote:

"A 2007 report by the World Bank and the United Nations said the Caribbean murder rate has risen to the world's highest, thanks largely to drug trafficking. Assaults also occur more frequently than the global average."
 
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2009/03/canadians-address-spring-break-travel.html

[Anna]

Off to work and lurk. . . feels like old times when Dompig used to tell us to expect a major development or break within forty-eight hours then apparently forget he even said it.

[jen3560]

Off to work and lurk. . . feels like old times when Dompig used to tell us to expect a major development or break within forty-eight hours then apparently forget he even said it.

Ah yes.  The hellish old days.

When Dompig would tell everybody to "hold your breath" for the next 24 hours. 

[jen3560]

Janet - You've made an excellent point.

Why the need for ALE supervision (an escort) for Fred Golba - when none was needed for the same pond with Persistence crew members?

 

[Lifesong]

Hi all! I'm going to ask a pretty stupid question............... won't be my first or last..   

Since Aruba is an island, is it possible that ponds in Aruba get filled with water that become brackish so that there is a salt content?

Good question.  When the pond by the Marriott was discussed, it did refill, but I forget if it was with sea water or rain. 

I think that's a good question too.

Btw, I haven't yet been able to find that ridiculous post from Shango I mentioned a page or two back.  I've spent enough time on it today, but when I do happen across it I'll post it.  It has nothing to do with where we are now, just another example of how Anonimo/Caps was trying much too hard and making outlandish claims to try and sell his ideas.

[Tamikosmom]

This is frustrating, my local noon news just covered the story, short but they did.

It seems this is a "new recently discovered witness" who has "only now come forward" and they showed the exact photo of Montserat that is being shown here? "The family has hired a new expert Fred Golba who is the top expert in his field of finding bodies".

kermit - it it's true it was Lala's advancing CAPS was to be believed to Dave, she had best hope something is found in that pond. I don't think she will be able to backpedal and recover from it, if it's not.

I continue to hope they do find her but I also find it exceptionally hard to believe her body was always there.

Good Morning None

It does appear that the media is implying that the witness only came forward recently.  This give the Fred Golba search so much more credibility and ... so many of the hard questions presented and dialogued on this forum will not be asked.

Those who do not have an indepth knowledge regarding the witness coming forward in January, 2008 and ... the dynamics of the pond drying up at certain periods as well as ... Kyle Kingman's own convincing analysis implying that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been in that trap ... will unknowingly embrace the real finale to the great Aruban coverup.

Janet

[Lifesong]

How clever of Vernon/Anonimo/Caps and his witness, to claim that the witness had given a statement to ALE in 2005.

No such statement exists.

Which, of course, makes it easy to claim ALE destroyed it.

Perhaps Mos doesn't take this witness seriously because he knows Vernon is from AHATA.
Perhaps Mos knows this witness never made a statement in 2005.

[Tamikosmom]

Off to work and lurk. . . feels like old times when Dompig used to tell us to expect a major development or break within forty-eight hours then apparently forget he even said it.

Ah yes.  The hellish old days.

When Dompig would tell everybody to "hold your breath" for the next 24 hours. 

 


Three Probed in Missing Teen Case
Saturday, June 04, 2005

Police said Saturday that three men have become "the most important lead" in the case of the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba — and vowed that "there will be developments" in the next few days.

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html

[jen3560]

How clever of Vernon/Anonimo/Caps and his witness, to claim that the witness had given a statement to ALE in 2005.

No such statement exists.

Which, of course, makes it easy to claim ALE destroyed it.

Perhaps Mos doesn't take this witness seriously because he knows Vernon is from AHATA.
Perhaps Mos knows this witness never made a statement in 2005.

I believe Vernon is only close, but not quite the cigar. 

[Anna]

In September, 2008 and the paper is the article Jossy did in his on this pond witness.

Quote from Mos' Office:

The witness the newspaper refers is known to the Arubian authorities. He has given an extensive declaration to us in march of this year. As we have informed the press in the Netherlands also, there are no indications whatsoever (neither in this declaration) that there would be something in the pond of Montserrat that has to do with the disappearance of Ms. Holloway or that would lead to solving this case.

[Anna]

Off to work and lurk. . . feels like old times when Dompig used to tell us to expect a major development or break within forty-eight hours then apparently forget he even said it.

Ah yes.  The hellish old days.

When Dompig would tell everybody to "hold your breath" for the next 24 hours. 

I also liked the one where Karin Janssen told us in the middle of June to expect fireworks soon.  I will always believe that was her sick version of humor referring the the upcoming 4th of July.

Real comediennes!

 

[Lifesong]

How clever of Vernon/Anonimo/Caps and his witness, to claim that the witness had given a statement to ALE in 2005.

No such statement exists.

Which, of course, makes it easy to claim ALE destroyed it.

Perhaps Mos doesn't take this witness seriously because he knows Vernon is from AHATA.
Perhaps Mos knows this witness never made a statement in 2005.

I believe Vernon is only close, but not quite the cigar. 

Ahh...  Thank you!