Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[jen3560]

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_083114849.html

March 24 2009
Natalee Holloway update
Holloway trying to cover all the possibilities

By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said this morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "What if", either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

The latest search is centered around a water run-off retaining pond on the island. Aruban police say previous searches of the marshy area have turned up nothing. Holloway admitted all indications have pointed to the ocean as to where his daughter's body is likely located. But the little bit of doubt placed in his head by this "witness" gave Holloway pause.

Holloway contracted a tracker dog specialist to begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. Nothing was found during Monday's search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., was 18 when she was last seen in May 2005 in the Aruban capital Oranjestad on the final night of a high school graduation trip. She reportedly left a bar with Dutch man Joran van der Sloot. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

[texasmom]

Thanks Jen!

Confirms for me why I thought Dave went ahead with the search.  Those little doubts in the mind of a parent in Dave's shoes no doubt are torture.

 

[jen3560]

Thanks Jen!

Confirms for me why I thought Dave went ahead with the search.  Those little doubts in the mind of a parent in Dave's shoes no doubt are torture.

 

YW!!

It's just really too bad that some schmuck put those doubts there to begin with.

Torture is right!!  That family has been through quite enough at the hands of disgustingly sick individuals.

[Magnolia]

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_083114849.html

March 24 2009
Natalee Holloway update
Holloway trying to cover all the possibilities

By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said this morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "What if", either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

The latest search is centered around a water run-off retaining pond on the island. Aruban police say previous searches of the marshy area have turned up nothing. Holloway admitted all indications have pointed to the ocean as to where his daughter's body is likely located. But the little bit of doubt placed in his head by this "witness" gave Holloway pause.

Holloway contracted a tracker dog specialist to begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. Nothing was found during Monday's search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., was 18 when she was last seen in May 2005 in the Aruban capital Oranjestad on the final night of a high school graduation trip. She reportedly left a bar with Dutch man Joran van der Sloot. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

That article is so sad.  I would be like Dave and want to explore every possibility, even if it is likely a hoax.
I am sure that Dave wakes up in the night thinking of Joran's last statement that he sold he into sex slavery.
Does Caps not realize that he has played havoc with the hearts and minds of parents that only want to
find their child?  There is no excuse for what he has done.

[KYcat]

Thank You Jen,  that clears it up for me.  I don't blame Dave.  The family needs to do everything humanly possible to bring Natatlee home or they could not live with themselves. 

God Bless Them

[Tamikosmom]

I still cannot comprehend in his quest to eliminate the pond ... why Dave Holloway would trust Fred Golba and the Aruban "powers that be" with the job.  Consider the expense ... should Dave not have been present to observed, photograph and document all.

When the past is considered ... Fred Golba and Gerold Dompig appear to be thisclose.

Janet


THE PRESENT

Morning News Update
Last Edited: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 5:25 AM CDT
Created On: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 5:25 AM CDT

New Search Begins for Natalee Holloway

A new search is underway for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. Her father says a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers to bring closure to her family. Tracker dog specialist Fred Golba will begin his latest search for evidence into Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance today. Dave Holloway says the tracker must be accompanied by Aruban police escorts, who delayed a weekend search.

http://www.myfoxal.com/dpp/news/20090323Morning_News_Update


THE PAST

DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html


Big Story (Jamie Colby)
FOX News
August 14, 2005

Jim Knox: We arrived on Wednesday, we started working Wednesday afternoon. We met with police first thing as soon as we got off the plane, that’s where we started the cooperation. They were mightily impressed. We presented Fred’s resume of over 2000 finds in 17 different countries and states. They’ve watched the dogs work, they’re impressed, they know that we’re working.

Jamie, I’ve had 1 beer in a week with a hamburger in Saturday.  The previous searchers were taking tubs and ice chests of beer out with them. They’d work 2 hours and come in. They had equipment they didn’t know how to use. I could give you a world of information but ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/15/family-and-equusearch-respond-to-derogatory-comments-from-jim-knox/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

COSBY:  You know, Steve, we‘ve had Tim Miller from EquuSearch, all these different guys on there.  They were all sort of turned down by Dompig and it seemed like the Aruban government, of course, the chief of police there.  Why this team? 

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  Well, it‘s a process, of course, that goes back to the Forensic Institute of Holland.  Chief Dompig has been back there twice now. 

And I think what was happening was a determination of just exactly what techniques, in terms of specificity, could one investigator bring to bear versus another? And, of course, Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.

[KYcat]

I still cannot comprehend in his quest to eliminate the pond ... why Dave Holloway would trust Fred Golba and the Aruban "powers that be" with the job.  Consider the expense ... should Dave not have been present to observed, photograph and document all.

When the past is considered ... Fred Golba and Gerold Dompig appear to be thisclose.

Janet


THE PRESENT

Morning News Update
Last Edited: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 5:25 AM CDT
Created On: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 5:25 AM CDT

New Search Begins for Natalee Holloway

A new search is underway for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. Her father says a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers to bring closure to her family. Tracker dog specialist Fred Golba will begin his latest search for evidence into Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance today. Dave Holloway says the tracker must be accompanied by Aruban police escorts, who delayed a weekend search.

http://www.myfoxal.com/dpp/news/20090323Morning_News_Update


THE PAST

DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html


Big Story (Jamie Colby)
FOX News
August 14, 2005

Jim Knox: We arrived on Wednesday, we started working Wednesday afternoon. We met with police first thing as soon as we got off the plane, that’s where we started the cooperation. They were mightily impressed. We presented Fred’s resume of over 2000 finds in 17 different countries and states. They’ve watched the dogs work, they’re impressed, they know that we’re working.

Jamie, I’ve had 1 beer in a week with a hamburger in Saturday.  The previous searchers were taking tubs and ice chests of beer out with them. They’d work 2 hours and come in. They had equipment they didn’t know how to use. I could give you a world of information but ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/15/family-and-equusearch-respond-to-derogatory-comments-from-jim-knox/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

COSBY:  You know, Steve, we‘ve had Tim Miller from EquuSearch, all these different guys on there.  They were all sort of turned down by Dompig and it seemed like the Aruban government, of course, the chief of police there.  Why this team? 

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  Well, it‘s a process, of course, that goes back to the Forensic Institute of Holland.  Chief Dompig has been back there twice now. 

And I think what was happening was a determination of just exactly what techniques, in terms of specificity, could one investigator bring to bear versus another? And, of course, Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.

I agree Janet.  I don't understand the association between Dave and Fred Golba either.
I guess Dave has to try this for his own peace of mind.  But I wonder why was Tim Miller not called upon to do this.  His health?  Or the fact that Aruba does not have the relationship with Tim Miller that they do with Golba?  Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmm

[Anna]

O/T but some good news for a change.  We can't all do what this man has done but we do what we can.


Knoxville’s David Keith Receives FBI Award

The Knoxville division of the FBI nominated Mr. David Keith as the recipient of the 2008 Director’s Community Leadership Award based on Mr. Keith’s commitment and support to numerous communities through his support of the National Association to Protect Children (www.protect.org).

For many years, Mr. Keith has been an advocate for children, starting with his role as an Ambassador for Child Health USA in 1990.  In his current role as a National Advisory Board Member of the National Association to Protect Children, Mr. Keith is dedicated to building a strong national agenda for protecting our nation’s children.  He is committed to building a powerful, nonpartisan force for the protection of children from abuse, exploitation, and neglect.  Mr. Keith’s demonstrated commitment to the citizens of East Tennessee and children all across our county make him an obvious choice for this year’s DCLA.

Other accomplishments for Mr. Keith include the following:

2003—Began working with Attorney General Randy Nichols’ office researching and structuring ways to make life more challenging for child predators;

2004—Played an integral role in passing legislation which allows prior convictions to be submitted as evidence in trials involving sex crimes against children (the Bill had been in committee for eight years prior to Mr. Keith’s involvement);

2005—Through his work with Childhelp USA, he was a strong advocate for the creation of the “Haley Law” Bill which raised most child abuse charges to felonies, added new charges to the code for aggravated child neglect and endangerment, and added mandatory life sentences for anyone convicted of child torture in the state of Tennessee;

2006—Helped coordinate information from the Knoxville Police Department’s (KPD) Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and the Tennessee Department of Children’s Services to create a multi-faceted bill to strengthen existing loopholes in Tennessee criminal statues related to Internet crimes against children;

2006/07—Coordinated with KPD ICAC personnel and ICE personnel to create program goals and objectives combined with testimony from at least 27 federal hearings to form the nucleus of the federal War on Predators Bill;

2007—Helped secure additional state funding for two additional ICAC Task Forces in Middle and West Tennessee.  Also secured unanimous resolutions from the Tennessee state legislature formally supporting the Federal Child Predators Bill and requested the first Federal Forensics Lab to be located in Knoxville, Tennessee, dedicated to child exploitation on the Internet;

2007—Successfully lobbied California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and received $1 million from his budget to supplement the four California ICAC teams, thereby doubling their existing budget;

2007/08—Currently lobbying in Washington, D.C. for federal War on Predators Bill, a $1 billion initiative which would add 1,000 new FBI and ICE Special Agents, at least 1 additional ICAC per state, 10 dedicated forensics labs, and 200 dedicated federal prosecutors.

Press Releases | Knoxville Home
http://knoxville.fbi.gov/pressrel/2009/kx032009.htm

[KYcat]

Last night, I brought up the cage and ocean search and never got a response.  But it looks like this article cleared it up for me.  Dave believes that Natalee is/was in the ocean.

[jen3560]

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_083114849.html

March 24 2009
Natalee Holloway update
Holloway trying to cover all the possibilities

By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said this morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "What if", either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

The latest search is centered around a water run-off retaining pond on the island. Aruban police say previous searches of the marshy area have turned up nothing. Holloway admitted all indications have pointed to the ocean as to where his daughter's body is likely located. But the little bit of doubt placed in his head by this "witness" gave Holloway pause.

Holloway contracted a tracker dog specialist to begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. Nothing was found during Monday's search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., was 18 when she was last seen in May 2005 in the Aruban capital Oranjestad on the final night of a high school graduation trip. She reportedly left a bar with Dutch man Joran van der Sloot. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

That article is so sad.  I would be like Dave and want to explore every possibility, even if it is likely a hoax.
I am sure that Dave wakes up in the night thinking of Joran's last statement that he sold he into sex slavery.
Does Caps not realize that he has played havoc with the hearts and minds of parents that only want to
find their child?  There is no excuse for what he has done.

I'm sure he realized exactly what he was doing with all of his "Dave needs to come get her" he started spouting off with last winter. 

Did I mention it takes a sociopath to beat a polygraph?

[jen3560]

Thank You Jen,  that clears it up for me.  I don't blame Dave.  The family needs to do everything humanly possible to bring Natatlee home or they could not live with themselves. 

God Bless Them

I don't blame Dave either.  I just can't even fathom what sort of person it takes to make up a story like this one, and toy with the emotions of a grieving family.

[AZSunny]

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_083114849.html

March 24 2009
Natalee Holloway update
Holloway trying to cover all the possibilities

By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said this morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "What if", either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking what if he is right. I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

The latest search is centered around a water run-off retaining pond on the island. Aruban police say previous searches of the marshy area have turned up nothing. Holloway admitted all indications have pointed to the ocean as to where his daughter's body is likely located. But the little bit of doubt placed in his head by this "witness" gave Holloway pause.

Holloway contracted a tracker dog specialist to begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. Nothing was found during Monday's search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., was 18 when she was last seen in May 2005 in the Aruban capital Oranjestad on the final night of a high school graduation trip. She reportedly left a bar with Dutch man Joran van der Sloot. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

That article is so sad.  I would be like Dave and want to explore every possibility, even if it is likely a hoax.
I am sure that Dave wakes up in the night thinking of Joran's last statement that he sold he into sex slavery.
Does Caps not realize that he has played havoc with the hearts and minds of parents that only want to
find their child?  There is no excuse for what he has done.

I'm sure he realized exactly what he was doing with all of his "Dave needs to come get her" he started spouting off with last winter. 

Did I mention it takes a sociopath to beat a polygraph?

Jen,  am I reading that you think that Caps is the witness? 

[jen3560]

Last night, I brought up the cage and ocean search and never got a response.  But it looks like this article cleared it up for me.  Dave believes that Natalee is/was in the ocean.

As does Beth - according to the recent talks she's given at schools.

[jen3560]

Jen,  am I reading that you think that Caps is the witness? 

I just don't know for sure.

I think it's a good possibility that he is.

Either that, or he convinced this other person to go along with this cock and bull story of his.

[mytime]

How truly sad and sick it is to play on the emotions of a grieving, distraught family!!  Some people are beyond reprehensible!! 

May God Bless the Holloways and bring Natalee home!!

[Anna]

I understand why Dave Holloway is checking out the pond and might do the same thing myself.

But I still don't understand the timing.  Waiting until the pond is dry would appear to make it so much more simple and quick, etc. and therefore also cheaper.  Maybe AHATA will help out with the expenses since Goldba is such a friend to Aruba.  I am pretty sure there are a few vacant rooms available.

[AZSunny]

Jen,  am I reading that you think that Caps is the witness? 

I just don't know for sure.

I think it's a good possibility that he is.

Either that, or he convinced this other person to go along with this cock and bull story of his.

....someone that Jossy trusts.  hum

[AZSunny]

Jen,  am I reading that you think that Caps is the witness? 

I just don't know for sure.

I think it's a good possibility that he is.

Either that, or he convinced this other person to go along with this cock and bull story of his.

....someone that Jossy trusts.  hum

and John Silvetti knows, and Tim....my mind is tired.

[jen3560]

Jen,  am I reading that you think that Caps is the witness? 

I just don't know for sure.

I think it's a good possibility that he is.

Either that, or he convinced this other person to go along with this cock and bull story of his.

....someone that Jossy trusts.  hum

Well here's what's weird for me.

We watched Caps log in here during one specific week - I want to say it was either August or September......

Anyway, that whole week, there was no one from Aruba registered here on the site meter.  Not at all.

Yet Caps was logged in.

I understand that the site meter shouldn't be the only thing to rely on for something like this.

But then we learned that the "witness" was in the States at that time (I think it was that time) taking the polygraph.

So that REALLY made me wonder about the "witness" being Caps himself.

Or maybe he just came to the states with the "witness" for the polygraph.

 

[jen3560]

Jen,  am I reading that you think that Caps is the witness? 

I just don't know for sure.

I think it's a good possibility that he is.

Either that, or he convinced this other person to go along with this cock and bull story of his.

....someone that Jossy trusts.  hum

and John Silvetti knows, and Tim....my mind is tired.

....and Kyle.