Haleigh Marie Cummings #9 3/23/09 - 3/29/09

[no rose colored glasses]

Good Morning, I never thought about someone going through a window, and I'm sure LE checked all the windows, they had the trailer as a crime scene for so long. I'm not sure what to think about Jr's statements, maybe some of the things he has said, if he really has said those things, he could have been half asleep, and sometimes when that happens, you get mixed up about what really happened and a dream, or at least that has happened to me. I hope people aren't putting words into his mouth.

There is without doubt, someone or someone's who knows all the details that occurred that night.  And Haleigh's benefit or return is not their priority. If the window had forced entry, then the LE would have picked up on it in a heart beat.  So, for entry through that window, with the bed pushed up against the window.. Someone entering would have had to step on the bed. This should have woke two people up..   Even if the window were unlocked. I doubt that they would have left it open, if they needed blankets to sleep under.

I agree, if someone came through the window they would have had to step on the bed. I again believe the answers are with Ron and Misty.

[Searching]

Good Morning, I never thought about someone going through a window, and I'm sure LE checked all the windows, they had the trailer as a crime scene for so long. I'm not sure what to think about Jr's statements, maybe some of the things he has said, if he really has said those things, he could have been half asleep, and sometimes when that happens, you get mixed up about what really happened and a dream, or at least that has happened to me. I hope people aren't putting words into his mouth.

So do I no rose,so do I... I feel if they are putting those words in his mouth,they are putting thoughts in his head and it could do more harm then good. I am one that feels he should be put somewhere safe with neither parent until this is sorted out so that *if* they are coaching him, putting the thoughts/words there,it will stop and he can have some therapy and not be in fear like he seems to be... If he has said those things. Also, if those really are NOT his memories but bio moms  story/words,it is mucking the waters and making it harder to get to the truth..

[no rose colored glasses]

Good Morning, I never thought about someone going through a window, and I'm sure LE checked all the windows, they had the trailer as a crime scene for so long. I'm not sure what to think about Jr's statements, maybe some of the things he has said, if he really has said those things, he could have been half asleep, and sometimes when that happens, you get mixed up about what really happened and a dream, or at least that has happened to me. I hope people aren't putting words into his mouth.

So do I no rose,so do I... I feel if they are putting those words in his mouth,they are putting thoughts in his head and it could do more harm then good. I am one that feels he should be put somewhere safe with neither parent until this is sorted out so that *if* they are coaching him, putting the thoughts/words there,it will stop and he can have some therapy and not be in fear like he seems to be... If he has said those things. Also, if those really are NOT his memories but bio moms  story/words,it is mucking the waters and making it harder to get to the truth..

I agree he should be put somewhere safe, I also think he overhears people talking and perhaps what he is hearing he takes as things he saw or heard.

[Kat_Gram]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

[mlee]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

Under the circumstances, with the children being shared between them, yes I can understand her interest in what happens to the children.  But, what I was reflecting on was keeping up with his daily activities or alter activities which ever the case may be, that did not include what was or was not physically happening to the children.  The difference between Crystal and I, I had no fear of my ex when it came to my children, and for harm to come to one, I would have been in his face 24/7, my being much older and having walked a longer path might make the difference.

[mioyshi]

hello Searching......

Hi Mioyshi. Your carvings are just breath taking. You are great at it. Is it a hobby or career?

I find it wonderful that you do these.

Did you watch whorealdo last night? I do not watch him,but heard about his show last night and wanted to listen and watch, get a feel of the body language,attitude you know...

thank you so much Searching..  Had a few careers, now the wood allows me to express myself, where I have been, and what I see, how I feel, and  how I want to be remembered.
The Caylee's Babysitter's wood, I found  in a swamp ,while we were searching for Jeniffer Kesse. 
I have not seen whorealdo since that guy broke his nose with a chair!  yikes what a shinner he got.   

[no rose colored glasses]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

Yes, to everything you stated. And I don't believe they will set it straight either. This is the story, and they will stick to it, imo.

[mioyshi]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

Yes, to everything you stated. And I don't believe they will set it straight either. This is the story, and they will stick to it, imo.

I ditto the above >--> mio

[mlee]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

Yes, to everything you stated. And I don't believe they will set it straight either. This is the story, and they will stick to it, imo.

The only time, either one will begin to talk, is when they both find themselves setting on the razors edge, and then they will begin to point fingers at one another.  I believe the key word that keeps the silence is "Prison".  That word takes priority above everything.

[mlee]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

I am not in disagreement with you at all, I believe what you have said is an absolute.  I know that my granddaughter at the age of 18 months,  was able to tell her Mother and I, that her babysitter spanked her. She said, "-------, spanked baby".  The sitter automatically called her a liar.  My granddaughter wasn't lying, the marks were on her back legs.

[Kat_Gram]

I don't think that Crystal could have gotten into Ron's face. her Mumma, Marie has the backbone, but not Crystal. And if she came around to Ron's or called him all the time, he would have got a restraining order.
I think Crystal just has hearsay and what the kids said. Which is about nothing when it comes to court and custody.
My GD has said some odd things that I asked about ( not abuse ) but one day she asked why ppl stopped at a red light as her Dad never did ! We can make right turns on the red here.

[Searching]

Crystal didn't know what Ron was up to before, how could she ?
She lives far away. Her family that is there is not friends with Ron's family.
She would just know that the kids show up with bruises and injuries.
And she has to deal with CS in Florida.
She was trying. Pictures were taken and I bet she was trying to get the goods on him for hitting the kids.   
Who noticed that it was GM Neves who took Haleigh to the doctors ? She took pictures too. She knew who to expect ... Children's Services and she took those pictures to protect Ron. I don't blame her either, she was thinkng that Haleigh would be at risk ( more of a risk ) with Crystal than Ron. At least with Ron, there were two Grandmas to help out when Ron went to work or did his thing. 
I can tell you that sometime little kids say stuff that you can take in a number of ways, but a clear cut statment when asked how Ron Jr. got the marks on his legs from a stick his Dad used on him can only be taken one way.  The boy was 3 at the time.
Seems to me, things got worse for Haleigh when Misty was there as the kids were around Ron and Misty more.
The " discipline " that went on was not done in the middle of the town square.
Neither was Ron's drug use or Misty's drug use. I don't think they were straight in some of their interviews.
 

I am not in disagreement with you at all, I believe what you have said is an absolute.  I know that my granddaughter at the age of 18 months,  was able to tell her Mother and I, that her babysitter spanked her. She said, "-------, spanked baby".  The sitter automatically called her a liar.  My granddaughter wasn't lying, the marks were on her back legs.

I agree with that as well. I believe when a child is abused in any way, they can tell an adult what happened. My son was 3 and was able to tell me as well as the investigators what was done to him in his own words. I NEVER questioned him. He came to me and told me and he told them,in the months that followed he would tell us bits and pieces, but after 2 years and moving FAR away from there,he stopped talking about it and the therapist said he was healing and getting past it.He still has a hard time with it today and he is grown and married,but he does not let it rule him.He has grown into a loving,kind man but I pity anyone that harms a child in front of him. He is very protective of children.
I think a trained specialist needs to be working with Jr. to get to the heart of what he did or did not see or hear that night.

[Heart]

Good morning Monkeys all!!

Geraldo At Large - 3/28/09 Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9iyRQBLpAY

[Searching]

I don't think that Crystal could have gotten into Ron's face. her Mumma, Marie has the backbone, but not Crystal. And if she came around to Ron's or called him all the time, he would have got a restraining order.
I think Crystal just has hearsay and what the kids said. Which is about nothing when it comes to court and custody.
My GD has said some odd things that I asked about ( not abuse ) but one day she asked why ppl stopped at a red light as her Dad never did ! We can make right turns on the red here.

Oops .. hahaha, nothing like being told on for not stopping on red.. Children say the funniest things. I love kids, they are so innocently honest. To bad some adults can not be the same huh?

[danabar]

Bud's Girl, this is such a beautiful of Haleigh.

[danabar]

Sorry, left the word picture out.

Beautiful Picture

[Searching]

Haleigh is a beautiful little girl and I do hope she is found soon.

[Kat_Gram]

The monkeys might disagree on Ron / Crystal ( I have done a reversal on her since the beginning ) .
But we all love kids and do not like people who harm them.
I want Haleigh found also, but as time goes on the chances of that are slim.
IF Misty was involved with a drug seller, why would a drug seller take a kid ? They want money and drugs or both.  Same for Ron and his associations with drug culture persons.
Satuma isn't Columbia and he isn't the resident drug lord. 
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[no rose colored glasses]

The monkeys might disagree on Ron / Crystal ( I have done a reversal on her since the beginning ) .
But we all love kids and do not like people who harm them.
I want Haleigh found also, but as time goes on the chances of that are slim.
IF Misty was involved with a drug seller, why would a drug seller take a kid ? They want money and drugs or both.  Same for Ron and his associations with drug culture persons.
Satuma isn't Columbia and he isn't the resident drug lord. 
..

Agreed, I don't see a drug dealer taking Haleigh, imo.

[mlee]

I don't think that Crystal could have gotten into Ron's face. her Mumma, Marie has the backbone, but not Crystal. And if she came around to Ron's or called him all the time, he would have got a restraining order.
I think Crystal just has hearsay and what the kids said. Which is about nothing when it comes to court and custody.
My GD has said some odd things that I asked about ( not abuse ) but one day she asked why ppl stopped at a red light as her Dad never did ! We can make right turns on the red here.

Your absolutely right, she is frightened, if not terrified of him. And that stops her..