Natalee Case Discussion #811 3/24/09 - 3/27/09

[2NJSons_Mom]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

[klaasend]

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba

By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009

Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

But Miller is worried Fred Golba is damaging relationships with Aruba’s government—- possibly for all future search parties - because he allegedly isn’t following Aruba’s rules.

Golba allegedly did not get permission beforehand from Aruba before arriving on the island for his current search. Plus, Aruban officials learned about it through the media.

“When people do this, and take off over there like a Rambo, how in the world can we expect to get any future cooperation from the Aruban authorities?“ wonders Miller.

Miller doesn’t think there’s much chance Natalee’s remains are in the pond Golba plans to spend the next two weeks searching.  He also doesn’t think much of Golba’s efforts.

“All he’s doing - and Nancy Grace is letting him do it - is turning Natalee’s disappearance into entertainment. This is just putting on a show as far as I’m concerned and ruining relationships we do have with authorities in Aruba,“ warns Miller.

But some Aruban insiders says - although there were tensions when Golba first arrived - he and government officials have now worked everything out.

These insiders say relationships are good on all sides and that the Aruban government is helping Golba however it can, including arranging for a car for Golba and his cadaver dog. 

Fred Golba arrived in Aruba last Friday and planned to start searching Saturday.

However, Golba wasn’t allowed to begin until he met with government officials Monday to explain his plan and issue a promise not to talk to the media.

For that reason, NBC 13 has not been able to ask Golba about Miller’s concerns.

[BUCKSHOT]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

Love your new vehicle.
Is that an RV?
What a beauty...

[wreck]

As moderator, it would be unethical to reveal Cap's identity as she has access to the registration data and is obligated not to divulge private info. IN MY OPINION, anyone else that is NOT privy to this forum "inside" info is not so obligated if they gathered that identity by their own means.

[texasmom]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

Love your new vehicle.
Is that an RV?
What a beauty...

YES IT IS!   

[Helen Back]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

Love your new vehicle.
Is that an RV?
What a beauty...

YES IT IS!   

 

[Magnolia]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

You are ever so clever 2NJ.  I was sitting her wondering what a Winnebago had to do with this.

[Mere]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

Hi.....I have been thinking about that all day....!!!   

[BUCKSHOT]

Monkey Mia,

What do you think of the latest developments?

Do you think the witness is credible, or manufactured?

Additionally, do you feel NH's body was discovered in the trap by the Persistence crew?
Then, diverted to pond so as to recover remains from the ocean in private.

How do you think Golba search will play out?

BUCKSHOT

[Anna]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

You are ever so clever 2NJ.  I was sitting her wondering what a Winnebago had to do with this.

Me, too, Magnolia. 


 

[Artcolley]

Magnolia,

Is the witness house not the one with the blue mark?  Is Julia trying to trick us AGAIN?

In my mind....yes she is.

Well, she probably is.  And you could not see the pond from any of those houses to see somebody coming out of the pond.  They just saw someone walking down the street.  Big difference as to credibility.
Or maybe I should call it relevance or proof that the person thought by the witness to be Joran had been in that particular pond and that pond only to get wet.

We are supposed to believe that a drunk fell in the pond and lost his shoe.
 

YEs, and then rolled in the mud , sort of like breading a cutlet

[klaasend]

 Home > News> Local     
New search for Natalee Holloway is underway
Photo
 
 Fred Golba wading into Aruban retention pond.
 By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 24, 2009

This is Fred Golba on Tuesday, searching a retention pond near the hotel where Natalee Holloway was staying on her senior trip to Aruba in May of 2005.

A new witness says - the night Natalee disappeared - he saw main suspect Joran van der Sloot emerge from the pond -  wet, missing one shoe.

Sources on the island also say Texas EquuSearch’s Tim Miller is now en route to Aruba to help.

Natalee’s father Dave Holloway paid to send Golba and his cadaver dog to Aruba after the witness passed a polygraph test while explaining what he witnessed the night Natalee vanished. 

Aruban prosecutors believe the witness saw someone near the pond the night Natalee disappeared, but they don’t believe it was van der Sloot or anyone related to Natalee’s disappearance.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/new_search_for_natalee_holloway_is_underway/65059/&ct=ga&cd=dmzvocnHqyo&usg=AFQjCNH6AyxQl95HeSPPpdaw_I_O-bm3Vw

So I'm guessing the above highlighted is false? 

[wreck]

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba

By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009

Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

But Miller is worried Fred Golba is damaging relationships with Aruba’s government—- possibly for all future search parties - because he allegedly isn’t following Aruba’s rules.

Golba allegedly did not get permission beforehand from Aruba before arriving on the island for his current search. Plus, Aruban officials learned about it through the media.

“When people do this, and take off over there like a Rambo, how in the world can we expect to get any future cooperation from the Aruban authorities?“ wonders Miller.

Miller doesn’t think there’s much chance Natalee’s remains are in the pond Golba plans to spend the next two weeks searching.  He also doesn’t think much of Golba’s efforts.

“All he’s doing - and Nancy Grace is letting him do it - is turning Natalee’s disappearance into entertainment. This is just putting on a show as far as I’m concerned and ruining relationships we do have with authorities in Aruba,“ warns Miller.

But some Aruban insiders says - although there were tensions when Golba first arrived - he and government officials have now worked everything out.

These insiders say relationships are good on all sides and that the Aruban government is helping Golba however it can, including arranging for a car for Golba and his cadaver dog. 

Fred Golba arrived in Aruba last Friday and planned to start searching Saturday.

However, Golba wasn’t allowed to begin until he met with government officials Monday to explain his plan and issue a promise not to talk to the media.

For that reason, NBC 13 has not been able to ask Golba about Miller’s concerns.

Very puzzling! So Tim Miller is angry with Dave since he is the one that authorized Golba?? Did Dave not discuss sending Golba with TES?? Is dave on board with another search of the ocean?? 

[Magnolia]

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba

By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009

Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

But Miller is worried Fred Golba is damaging relationships with Aruba’s government—- possibly for all future search parties - because he allegedly isn’t following Aruba’s rules.

Golba allegedly did not get permission beforehand from Aruba before arriving on the island for his current search. Plus, Aruban officials learned about it through the media.

“When people do this, and take off over there like a Rambo, how in the world can we expect to get any future cooperation from the Aruban authorities?“ wonders Miller.

Miller doesn’t think there’s much chance Natalee’s remains are in the pond Golba plans to spend the next two weeks searching.  He also doesn’t think much of Golba’s efforts.

“All he’s doing - and Nancy Grace is letting him do it - is turning Natalee’s disappearance into entertainment. This is just putting on a show as far as I’m concerned and ruining relationships we do have with authorities in Aruba,“ warns Miller.

But some Aruban insiders says - although there were tensions when Golba first arrived - he and government officials have now worked everything out.

These insiders say relationships are good on all sides and that the Aruban government is helping Golba however it can, including arranging for a car for Golba and his cadaver dog. 

Fred Golba arrived in Aruba last Friday and planned to start searching Saturday.

However, Golba wasn’t allowed to begin until he met with government officials Monday to explain his plan and issue a promise not to talk to the media.

For that reason, NBC 13 has not been able to ask Golba about Miller’s concerns.

This Jennifer Hale worries me a little bit.  I am not so sure she checks her sources as well as she should.
There are several things in that article that are just not true.

[Mere]

If you can't post a persons name........
Just post their initials like in ARUBA.

 

You are ever so clever 2NJ.  I was sitting her wondering what a Winnebago had to do with this.

You are so smart 2NJ....and I am just laughing at how great that idea was....!  Thanks....Mere

[klaasend]

I was trying to figure out who had the initials M.H.

[Monkey Mia]

Monkey Mia,

What do you think of the latest developments?

Do you think the witness is credible, or manufactured?

Additionally, do you feel NH's body was discovered in the trap by the Persistence crew?
Then, diverted to pond so as to recover remains from the ocean in private.

How do you think Golba search will play out?

I answered you last night.  Don't you read back?

BUCKSHOT

[Anna]

The TOS of a forum is what the host says must be done.

Then each forum has it's own set of guidelines.

I think it is only within SM's guidelines and rules that we are not supposed to post about other posters, not the site provider.

Right, Klaas?

So we are not to post another poster's name or personal information like one did about my son's age.  Not supposed to ask each other for personal information like was done to Kermit either.

JMO but when someone is a suspect or witness I don't think identity protection applies.  We discussed all the other witnesses by name and detail.  Like Goeffrey von Cromvoirt, Steve Croes, Guido Weaver, etc.  So why is this one so special and different I don't know.

[wreck]

I don't think ANY of these people are on the same page!

[texasmom]

I was trying to figure out who had the initials M.H.