Natalee Case Discussion #811 3/24/09 - 3/27/09

[Keepthefaith]

Posted by Glenda at RU. 

Glenda says:  Fred believes in this search and spent the afternoon wading around in the muck.



Fred walked all around the pond today... So far nothing, but he is not going to give up.    

 

 

This so unbelieveably unprofessional.  This pond was search with a sonar scanner in February, 2008.  This pond was dry in May, 2008 and ... if there was anything Natalee Holloway related that had been under the water it would have been visable.

Why not get have the pond searched with a sonar scanner?  Why not wait until May when the pond is dry let the sniffer dog loose in an attempt to detect something under the mud?

Janet

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CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1486 on: May 08, 2008, 05:34:17 AM »

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.

in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379904;topicseen#msg379904

LOGIC DICTATES

[klaasend]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a dispicable sham.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm speechless, and that just doesn't happen to me. 

THIS is the best that can be done for Natalee??

He should have weights on and do a water aerobic routine. He might accomplish SOMETHING with that effort anyway, even if it's only a toned azz. That's ALL he's going to accomplish by wading out in water and looking around while posing for pictures.

GEEEEEZZ.     

[Anna]

Why didn't the tire in the photo of the dry pond sink into the mud never to be seen again?

I don't believe the mud is very deep at all in that pond because it is dry some of the time.  That makes for a more solid bottom. 

So did Fred lose his shoes wading around like that?


I seriously doubt it. 

[AZSunny]

Oh Klaas...your best yet!   

[hotping]

How the hell is Fred Golba expected to find something with his feet after 4 years?  This pond has filled up and dried up several times over the last 4 years and I don't expect that anything would be sitting on the top.   

His dog is a cadaver dog right?  What is Rhino doing, sniffing out the photographer?

Probably "sitting & signaling" right beside her!  

Soooooo....Fred can't talk to the "Press" until the search is complete...but he can talk to Glenda and she can get exclusive pictures.

 

I hope Rhino lifts his leg on Renfro and then does two bubbles.

  Renho already looks like She's been shot at and missed and sh*t on and hit.....alittle Doggie Dew want hurt much! 

[wreck]

Why didn't the tire in the photo of the dry pond sink into the mud never to be seen again?

I don't believe the mud is very deep at all in that pond because it is dry some of the time.  That makes for a more solid bottom. 

So did Fred lose his shoes wading around like that?


I seriously doubt it. 

Good point --- how many shoes has fred lost in the last 2 days??

[Tamikosmom]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a dispicable sham.

Klaas ... there was even a private search for another missing person conducted on the pond prior following the Persistence search.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

[crazybabyborg]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a dispicable sham.

I totally agree, and with the way he's looking, even if her remains WERE planted in the pond, he'd never find her!

They're going to have to run up a flag on a flagpole for him to hit the right spot. Put up a sign that says, "STAND HERE" and tell the photographer to direct him to the spot because the lighting is better...........   

This REALLY ticks me off!

[Anna]

Why didn't the tire in the photo of the dry pond sink into the mud never to be seen again?

I don't believe the mud is very deep at all in that pond because it is dry some of the time.  That makes for a more solid bottom. 

So did Fred lose his shoes wading around like that?


I seriously doubt it. 

Good point --- how many shoes has fred lost in the last 2 days??

He should have at least made this more believable by losing his shoes several times.  I think if I were Dave and saw these photos, I'd be asking for my money back.

I sure hope this guy is not charging for this.  He has been there since Friday.

[BUCKSHOT]

Anna,

Exactly. Odd that nearly four years later, they would rather search the pond full than empty.

Strange that search:
*was telegraphed
*was slightly delayed
*is effectively being supervised.
*has stipulations of privacy/secrecy.

Do you believe mark in mud (during dry photo) is related or staged?

Does anyone have definitive answers as to validity of polygraphs? Were they real or contrived?
Passing a polygraph legitimately would lend some credibility to the account.
However, if this turns out to be just another ACT, I would not be surprised.

[Anna]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a despicable sham.

Klaas ... there was even a private search for another missing person conducted on the pond prior following the Persistence search.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

And it was searched by a private organization hired by the family of Jose Tromp.

Zilch!

And now they are calling all that superficially searched?

[BUCKSHOT]

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[mytime]

You would at least think he would be wearing a wet suit for this dog and a$$ pony show!!  Absolutely disgusting!!

[Tamikosmom]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a dispicable sham.

Klaas ... there was even a private search for another missing person conducted on the pond prior following the Persistence search.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

OOPS!!

Wrong quote.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

[AZSunny]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a dispicable sham.

Klaas ... there was even a private search for another missing person conducted on the pond prior following the Persistence search.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

Any idea what type of search they did of the pond for the other missing person.  Pond wet, dry ?? dogs??/

[Anna]

Anna,

Exactly. Odd that nearly four years later, they would rather search the pond full than empty.

Strange that search:
*was telegraphed
*was slightly delayed
*is effectively being supervised.
*has stipulations of privacy/secrecy.

Do you believe mark in mud (during dry photo) is related or staged?

Does anyone have definitive answers as to validity of polygraphs? Were they real or contrived?
Passing a polygraph legitimately would lend some credibility to the account.
However, if this turns out to be just another ACT, I would not be surprised.

Buckshot,

Not sure what mark in mud you are talking about.  The stick figure?  Had it not supposed to have been Natalee, I would have laughed.

Someone just collected some samples apparently in white buckets.  They could collect them in any shape they chose and so I think in order to add drama, tried to make a pattern.

I didn't see anything but natural alligatoring of the floor of the pond which often happens in drying effect.

If it means anything, I better contact somebody fast about these livestock ponds all around here as they do that all the time.  I sure hope it doesn't mean they are all full of remains!

[Lifesong]

Why didn't the tire in the photo of the dry pond sink into the mud never to be seen again?

I don't believe the mud is very deep at all in that pond because it is dry some of the time.  That makes for a more solid bottom. 

So did Fred lose his shoes wading around like that?


I seriously doubt it. 

Good point --- how many shoes has fred lost in the last 2 days??

He should have at least made this more believable by losing his shoes several times.  I think if I were Dave and saw these photos, I'd be asking for my money back.

I sure hope this guy is not charging for this.  He has been there since Friday.

 

 
This guy isn't even sharp enough to stick his arm in the water for the picture!

[Tamikosmom]

TES was there and searched it back in February 2008.  They did side scan sonar and didn't find anything.  If there was something on the sonar, don't you think they would have made a push to be there when it was DRY?

Unless this is some kind of "cover" for finally giving Natalee back it's a despicable sham.

Klaas ... there was even a private search for another missing person conducted on the pond prior following the Persistence search.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

And it was searched by a private organization hired by the family of Jose Tromp.

Zilch!

And now they are calling all that superficially searched?

If anything Natalee Holloway related is taken from that pond by Fred Golba ... it was planted and ... the finding was meant to preclude Beth's upcoming movie.

IMO

Janet

[crazybabyborg]

Why didn't the tire in the photo of the dry pond sink into the mud never to be seen again?

I don't believe the mud is very deep at all in that pond because it is dry some of the time.  That makes for a more solid bottom. 

So did Fred lose his shoes wading around like that?


I seriously doubt it. 

Good point --- how many shoes has fred lost in the last 2 days??

He should have at least made this more believable by losing his shoes several times.  I think if I were Dave and saw these photos, I'd be asking for my money back.

I sure hope this guy is not charging for this.  He has been there since Friday.

 

 
This guy isn't even sharp enough to stick his arm in the water for the picture!

 

It's so ridiculous, you gotta just laugh or cry. Thanks for tipping the scale, lifesong!