Natalee Case Discussion #811 3/24/09 - 3/27/09

[Tamikosmom]

I just called NBC 13 in Birmingham reguarding Jen Hale's posts on their site.

I was told that "she has her own little sources" and that I should call back and talk
to a producer named Donette after 3:00 PM.

Thank you Magnolia.

I am one with Keepthefaith in regards to not giving Tim Miller a free pass if he should spend 1.5 million dollars investigating those targets.  Kyle Kingman was the ROV operator and analysis on board the Persistence who identified each of those targets and ... he claims there was nothing significant to justify another search.

When I consider both Tim Miller's and Kyle Kingman's own genuine  concerns regarding the ROV images as well as the chain of custody encompassing the contents of the trap ... the chain of custody which  only involved the enemy ... in the name of Natalee Holloway's precious  parents ... I cannot comprehend why either one of them has a ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti.  I pray with all my heart that those relationships are not monetarily motivated.  This would imply that justice for an 18 year old American citizen ... one of their own ... has taken a backseat.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

[Magnolia]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

[jen3560]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

Am I surprised?  Not really.

And I'll keep looking. 

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

Misinformation??

[Magnolia]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

Misinformation??

Maybe.  Or maybe just an honest mistake.  The streets in Aruba are hard to defne.

I used to have a link to a terrorists site that had wonderful street maps of Aruba
but I have lost the link. 

[jen3560]

Renfro posted today at RU:

Glenda wrote:
They are pumping Fred's pond today. The neighborhood is upset as they use that water for gardening. Water is very expensive on Aruba.


Glenda wrote:
Anyone find it strange that Tim is upset that Fred is looking for Natalee somewhere other than 1,000 feet deep in a crab trap that has yet to be stolen?

Petrobras not interested in Aruba refinery
SAN ANTONIO, March 25 (Reuters) - Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras is not interested in buying Valero Energy Corp's 275,000 barrel per day Aruba refinery and will instead focus on expanding domestic production, a Petrobras executive said Wednesday.

(I'll bet I could sell Petrobras the Aruba refinery if Fred gives me some proof there is black gold in that pond)
-------------------

I can't stand the witch, but you gotta give her words a bit of thought here, IMO....

[Tamikosmom]

I just called NBC 13 in Birmingham reguarding Jen Hale's posts on their site.

I was told that "she has her own little sources" and that I should call back and talk
to a producer named Donette after 3:00 PM.

Thank you Magnolia.

I am one with Keepthefaith in regards to not giving Tim Miller a free pass if he should spend 1.5 million dollars investigating those targets.  Kyle Kingman was the ROV operator and analysis on board the Persistence who identified each of those targets and ... he claims there was nothing significant to justify another search.

When I consider both Tim Miller's and Kyle Kingman's own genuine  concerns regarding the ROV images as well as the chain of custody encompassing the contents of the trap ... the chain of custody which  only involved the enemy ... in the name of Natalee Holloway's precious  parents ... I cannot comprehend why either one of them has a ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti.  I pray with all my heart that those relationships are not monetarily motivated.  This would imply that justice for an 18 year old American citizen ... one of their own ... has taken a backseat.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess. I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family. In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed. He couldn't wait. He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident. It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth. This was Dec 30th.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  ... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

[Magnolia]

Renfro posted today at RU:

Glenda wrote:
They are pumping Fred's pond today. The neighborhood is upset as they use that water for gardening. Water is very expensive on Aruba.


Glenda wrote:
Anyone find it strange that Tim is upset that Fred is looking for Natalee somewhere other than 1,000 feet deep in a crab trap that has yet to be stolen?

Petrobras not interested in Aruba refinery
SAN ANTONIO, March 25 (Reuters) - Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras is not interested in buying Valero Energy Corp's 275,000 barrel per day Aruba refinery and will instead focus on expanding domestic production, a Petrobras executive said Wednesday.

(I'll bet I could sell Petrobras the Aruba refinery if Fred gives me some proof there is black gold in that pond)
-------------------

I can't stand the witch, but you gotta give her words a bit of thought here, IMO....

The witch has been quite chatty since this Golba search came up.

 If the black gold she refers to is oil, the statemant is beyond foolish.

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, jen3560, Magnolia, Anna, ksl, camochance, adoronron, AZSunny, Patriot and 12 Guests are viewing this topic.


adoronron
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »

Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

[jen3560]

Renfro posted today at RU:

Glenda wrote:
They are pumping Fred's pond today. The neighborhood is upset as they use that water for gardening. Water is very expensive on Aruba.


Glenda wrote:
Anyone find it strange that Tim is upset that Fred is looking for Natalee somewhere other than 1,000 feet deep in a crab trap that has yet to be stolen?

Petrobras not interested in Aruba refinery
SAN ANTONIO, March 25 (Reuters) - Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras is not interested in buying Valero Energy Corp's 275,000 barrel per day Aruba refinery and will instead focus on expanding domestic production, a Petrobras executive said Wednesday.

(I'll bet I could sell Petrobras the Aruba refinery if Fred gives me some proof there is black gold in that pond)
-------------------

I can't stand the witch, but you gotta give her words a bit of thought here, IMO....

The witch has been quite chatty since this Golba search came up.

If the black gold she refers to is oil, the statemant is beyond foolish.

   Undoubtedly!!

But I was referring to her correlation between an ocean "search", and Petrobas saying yesterday they are not interested in Aruba's refinery.....

Albeit - remove Miller from the equation, and add in whomever the owner of that 360' boat is currently located in Trinidad....

[Keepthefaith]

I just called NBC 13 in Birmingham reguarding Jen Hale's posts on their site.

I was told that "she has her own little sources" and that I should call back and talk
to a producer named Donette after 3:00 PM.

Thank you Magnolia.

I am one with Keepthefaith in regards to not giving Tim Miller a free pass if he should spend 1.5 million dollars investigating those targets.  Kyle Kingman was the ROV operator and analysis on board the Persistence who identified each of those targets and ... he claims there was nothing significant to justify another search.

When I consider both Tim Miller's and Kyle Kingman's own genuine  concerns regarding the ROV images as well as the chain of custody encompassing the contents of the trap ... the chain of custody which  only involved the enemy ... in the name of Natalee Holloway's precious  parents ... I cannot comprehend why either one of them has a ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti.  I pray with all my heart that those relationships are not monetarily motivated.  This would imply that justice for an 18 year old American citizen ... one of their own ... has taken a backseat.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess. I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family. In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed. He couldn't wait. He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident. It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth. This was Dec 30th.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  ... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Time will tell Janet..I continue to keepthefaith that Tim Miller has a bigger plan but,if not,then i will be terribly upset ...

[Keepthefaith]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

Misinformation??

DEVIOUS ACTIVITIES??

[bastibro]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

Misinformation??

LOL I posted the Kamerlingh Onnes and later corrected that to Van Palm Beach naar Noord.
Also it was not regarding the street where the witness lives but the street between the Montserat pond and McD.

I hate misinformation.
I`ll leave that to others

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

Misinformation??

LOL I posted the Kamerlingh Onnes and later corrected that to Van Palm Beach naar Noord.
Also it was not regarding the street where the witness lives but the street between the Montserat pond and McD.

I hate misinformation.
I`ll leave that to others

Did you correct that here, bastibro?  If so, I must have missed it.  If at another site, then, I definitely would have missed it.   

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Jen.

I wanted to tell you that the street Bastibro gave you, Kamerlingh Onnes is not the street
that the witness lives on.

That street is further inland.

The street that runs alongside the soccer field is Van Bubali Narr Nord.
I cannot find a street name for the witness street.

Misinformation??

LOL I posted the Kamerlingh Onnes and later corrected that to Van Palm Beach naar Noord.
Also it was not regarding the street where the witness lives but the street between the Montserat pond and McD.

I hate misinformation.
I`ll leave that to others

Do you mean LA PALMA?

Just asking.

Janet

[Kermit]

[Keepthefaith]

You still have impeccable timing with the humor!I'm glad it's carried over from the days as a Muppet....

[wreck]

Wasn't there a connection between Superior Offshore and a "spin off" in Trinidad?