Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09

[Tamikosmom]

POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!

Good Morning Keepthefaith

Maybe POOCHY should consider SS' own flip flop positions.  From day one SS adhered to CAPS as "the man".  Then she come to the conclusion that CAPS was a distraction from what the Arubans retrieved from the trap on January 7, 2008.  Then SS backtracked.

 

SS' position until she backtracked dictates that this former Monkeys who has an amazing ability in articulating would have been such great contributor to the SM Caps/Persistence topic.

Janet

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SS

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 

Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »

1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »

I agree with you, Janet.  I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think.  In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down.  However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see.  There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th.  I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead.  I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569218#msg569218


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

Blue Moon - great reference!  I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »

Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »

Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »

I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.  This story is getting sicker by the day.  How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything???  And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569137#msg569137

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Quote from: SS on November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM

I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.


Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.
Thanks SS.
Janet


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »

Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257

[hotping]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

[Keepthefaith]

 

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

[Keepthefaith]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

Those links don't work for me!

[hotping]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work.....

[Keepthefaith]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work.....

And do all that work?

[hotping]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work.....

And do all that work?

 

[Keepthefaith]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work.....

And do all that work?

 

I've been trying to find more on those three companies that own Gulmar Offshore..If you find anything please post..TIA..Digggin,Digggin,Digggin....

[hotping]

Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet

But But Janet I was one of the guest......

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT

Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own..... 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

For whatever reason, it didn't for for me in my post.  I just tried your link and am getting this:

Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Special database object cannot be located

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet

But But Janet I was one of the guest......

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT

Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own..... 

Well ... could you please make me one or ... maybe Magnolia could knit me one.  I do believe the that the misinformation gang is not happy with Tamikosmom.

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
9:35 AM PT

[hotping]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

For whatever reason, it didn't for for me in my post.  I just tried your link and am getting this:

Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Special database object cannot be located

2NJ..I don't know what's up with these links but what I did was copied from the end of the link to the beginning...and the first try it did not work but the second time I tried it worked.....


EDIT:  If you notice now the entire links aren't working in the posts above this one.  Sometimes with they are really long URLs the entire link it's highlighted.  In PREVIEW you will see if it's happening.  To fix it you can highlight the entire URL then click on the insert hyperlink icon and then the entire link will work.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Maybe that pdf link was too long and is a tinyurl candidate...

Here is another newletter from 2008.  pages 6 & 7 speak of Superior Offshore's financial issues and on pg 7 it says Gulmar Condor was subchartered through April, 2009.

http://www.worldshipsocietyrotterdam.nl/news/Shipping_news/2008/093-04-04-2008.pdf


KTF, I tried to find info on those holding/investment companies earlier and didn't find much...that's why I brought up Panama, again.   

[Keepthefaith]

Maybe that pdf link was too long and is a tinyurl candidate...

Here is another newletter from 2008.  pages 6 & 7 speak of Superior Offshore's financial issues and on pg 7 it says Gulmar Condor was subchartered through April, 2009.

http://www.worldshipsocietyrotterdam.nl/news/Shipping_news/2008/093-04-04-2008.pdf


KTF, I tried to find info on those holding/investment companies earlier and didn't find much...that's why I brought up Panama, again.   

We'll keep digging,digging,digging.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.

Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

For whatever reason, it didn't for for me in my post.  I just tried your link and am getting this:

Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Special database object cannot be located

2NJ..I don't know what's up with these links but what I did was copied from the end of the link to the beginning...and the first try it did not work but the second time I tried it worked.....

Yes, the hyperlink truncated on my post, too.  I get what you are saying...I'm just being lazy.   

[hotping]

Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet

But But Janet I was one of the guest......

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT

Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own..... 

Well ... could you please make me one or ... maybe Magnolia could knit me one.  I do believe the that the misinformation gang is not happy with Tamikosmom.

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
9:35 AM PT

Janet I have made You a Hidey Bag and its on its way to You in the Frazier Valley....and if Magnolia sees this post maybe She will make You one also and You will have a spare....just in case.....   Oh and by the way don't worry about the misinformation gang....The Monkeys are protecting You 24/7.....

[Kermit]

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente
6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.

* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5


Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet

But But Janet I was one of the guest......

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT

Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own..... 

Well ... could you please make me one or ... maybe Magnolia could knit me one.  I do believe the that the misinformation gang is not happy with Tamikosmom.

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
9:35 AM PT

Janet I have made You a Hidey Bag and its on its way to You in the Frazier Valley....and if Magnolia sees this post maybe She will make You one also and You will have a spare....just in case.....   Oh and by the way don't worry about the misinformation gang....The Monkeys are protecting You 24/7.....

Whew!!!  I feel so much better and ... thanks for the hidey bag.

Hugs

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente
6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.

* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5


Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm

What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

[Tamikosmom]

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente
6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.

* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5


Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm

Kermit ... it doesn't.

Ribbit

Janet

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THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP


A Theory in a Nutshell

The ROV images along with Kyle Kingman's own words are the backup required to support the contention that .... Natalee Holloway's remains were taken from the trap by the Aruban's on January 7, 2008 and ... planted in the pond.

Think about it.  IF the origin of where Natalee Holloway's remains were discovered ... the trap ... was revealed ... the implication would be that others beside Joran were involved in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains.

However ... the discovery of Natalee Holloway's remains along with the testimony of the witness ... implies that the case can comes to a conclusion with only implicating Joran in the disposal and ... Paulus after the fact.  Keep it simple!

Justice implies that Joran will receive a slap on the wrist.  He was a minor on May 30, 2005.

Paulus' lie regarding his contention that he did not pickup up Joran on the morning of May 30, 2005 at MacDonald's ... is not considered a felony under Aruban law.

Case Closed!

Janet

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‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.