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« Reply #720 on: March 30, 2009, 03:58:52 PM »

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer...


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?

Keepthefaith,

Couldn't respond right away.......work got in the way.

I don't want to come across as narrow minded or antagonistic but you asked so I'm responding.....

When posters come here and make posts along the lines of "I've got a secret, see if you can guess it if I give you hints every once in a while" or posts that are more like riddles than theory or discussion, I consider that diversionary.
When it was announced that there was going to be an ocean search and Aruba did nothing to stop it I was and still am of the opinion Aruba knew there was nothing to find. Otherwise they would have done something to stop the search.
If you believe they were actually dumb enough to dump a body in relatively shallow water in a crystal clear ocean and within sight of Aruba then I suppose all the talk about the trap is important.
As for me I think that Paulus and his friends were thorough enough to eliminate all evidence. Not hide it, eliminate it. Except perhaps a shoe. And no I don't think this jerk wallowing around in the pond will find joran's shoe.

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« Reply #721 on: March 30, 2009, 04:03:43 PM »



Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days? 

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Hi Jen... a long-time ago I found a guy named Augustin Vrolijk while researching that clan. That guy used to be in charge of fishing husbandry (whatever that is) or maybe it was fish husbandry. He works at the airport now as some type of upper-echelon manager. He could be Rubberleg's boss for all I know.

What I found interesting about the position "fishing husbandry" was that it would seem that a person in that capability "might" know where to dump a trap where it wouldn't be accidentally discovered due to deepsea fishing or diving. He might know the ocean floor better than the average Aruban / Dutchie.

And then there was Tito Vrolijk who committed suicide. He was only 33 IIRC. No idea if they are related.

 
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« Reply #722 on: March 30, 2009, 04:06:24 PM »



Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days? 

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Hi Jen... a long-time ago I found a guy named Augustin Vrolijk while researching that clan. That guy used to be in charge of fishing husbandry (whatever that is) or maybe it was fish husbandry. He works at the airport now as some type of upper-echelon manager. He could be Rubberleg's boss for all I know.

What I found interesting about the position "fishing husbandry" was that it would seem that a person in that capability "might" know where to dump a trap where it wouldn't be accidentally discovered due to deepsea fishing or diving. He might know the ocean floor better than the average Aruban / Dutchie.

And then there was Tito Vrolijk who committed suicide. He was only 33 IIRC. No idea if they are related.

 

Hiya Rob,

Well that's certainly an interesting thought!

We have been told that the location this cage was found is NOT someplace a cage like this would likely have been accidentally dropped (not in a known fishing region), nor was it found in an area typical to freight type ships.

It's also not near any tourist type dive sites, FWIW.
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« Reply #723 on: March 30, 2009, 04:08:43 PM »



Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days? 

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

 
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« Reply #724 on: March 30, 2009, 04:12:17 PM »



Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days? 

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Hi Jen... a long-time ago I found a guy named Augustin Vrolijk while researching that clan. That guy used to be in charge of fishing husbandry (whatever that is) or maybe it was fish husbandry. He works at the airport now as some type of upper-echelon manager. He could be Rubberleg's boss for all I know.

What I found interesting about the position "fishing husbandry" was that it would seem that a person in that capability "might" know where to dump a trap where it wouldn't be accidentally discovered due to deepsea fishing or diving. He might know the ocean floor better than the average Aruban / Dutchie.

And then there was Tito Vrolijk who committed suicide. He was only 33 IIRC. No idea if they are related.

 
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Did he get a promotion for all his work????
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« Reply #725 on: March 30, 2009, 04:16:51 PM »

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer...


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?

Keepthefaith,

Couldn't respond right away.......work got in the way.

I don't want to come across as narrow minded or antagonistic but you asked so I'm responding.....

When posters come here and make posts along the lines of "I've got a secret, see if you can guess it if I give you hints every once in a while" or posts that are more like riddles than theory or discussion, I consider that diversionary.
When it was announced that there was going to be an ocean search and Aruba did nothing to stop it I was and still am of the opinion Aruba knew there was nothing to find. Otherwise they would have done something to stop the search.
If you believe they were actually dumb enough to dump a body in relatively shallow water in a crystal clear ocean and within sight of Aruba then I suppose all the talk about the trap is important.
As for me I think that Paulus and his friends were thorough enough to eliminate all evidence. Not hide it, eliminate it. Except perhaps a shoe. And no I don't think this jerk wallowing around in the pond will find joran's shoe.

Ado


Do you have anything to support this theory?
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« Reply #726 on: March 30, 2009, 04:25:39 PM »

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer...


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?

Keepthefaith,

Couldn't respond right away.......work got in the way.

I don't want to come across as narrow minded or antagonistic but you asked so I'm responding.....

When posters come here and make posts along the lines of "I've got a secret, see if you can guess it if I give you hints every once in a while" or posts that are more like riddles than theory or discussion, I consider that diversionary.
When it was announced that there was going to be an ocean search and Aruba did nothing to stop it I was and still am of the opinion Aruba knew there was nothing to find. Otherwise they would have done something to stop the search.
If you believe they were actually dumb enough to dump a body in relatively shallow water in a crystal clear ocean and within sight of Aruba then I suppose all the talk about the trap is important.
As for me I think that Paulus and his friends were thorough enough to eliminate all evidence. Not hide it, eliminate it. Except perhaps a shoe. And no I don't think this jerk wallowing around in the pond will find joran's shoe.

Ado


Do you have anything to support this theory?

What theory?

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« Reply #727 on: March 30, 2009, 04:33:16 PM »

 


ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO
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« Reply #728 on: March 30, 2009, 04:37:52 PM »

I would STILL like to hear the tapes that supposedly connect Paulus v/d Sloot with some Colombians.

They might change the slant on things considerably.
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« Reply #729 on: March 30, 2009, 04:44:12 PM »

I would STILL like to hear the tapes that supposedly connect Paulus v/d Sloot with some Colombians.

They might change the slant on things considerably.

I agree Anna..Would like to hear what it entails..
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« Reply #730 on: March 30, 2009, 04:54:06 PM »




ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado


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« Reply #731 on: March 30, 2009, 04:55:55 PM »

My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



You know, not that I want to risk being the only poster to get un-banned TWICE but... every time I see *sswipes on the internet casting Beth Holloway as evil personified or Natalee being at fault for her own murder, it makes me want to do something that invoves the upside of the *sswipe's head. With my fist. Very hard.
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« Reply #733 on: March 30, 2009, 05:09:32 PM »

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« Reply #734 on: March 30, 2009, 05:13:08 PM »




ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

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« Reply #735 on: March 30, 2009, 05:21:29 PM »

I thought Poochy's post was skeeeeery.
It was Skeeery Magnolia and as far as I'm concerned it was insane......I hope She stays the hell away from this forum...... 
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« Reply #736 on: March 30, 2009, 05:27:53 PM »




ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

KEEPTHEFAITH

Keepthefaith,
I'll have to go way back in the threads to remember the specifics of my reasoning on that but I don't have time left today to do it. I have an appointment in an hour and need to log out. I'll try to be back in here tomorrow.
 
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« Reply #737 on: March 30, 2009, 05:35:32 PM »

My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I am shocked with what I just read and I totally agree with you Klaas.  Robin has hindered this case along with her cohorts at BNH.  jmo
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« Reply #738 on: March 30, 2009, 05:42:59 PM »



Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days? 

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

O.K. Kermit did you do this website?   
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« Reply #739 on: March 30, 2009, 05:45:27 PM »




ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

KEEPTHEFAITH

Keepthefaith,
I'll have to go way back in the threads to remember the specifics of my reasoning on that but I don't have time left today to do it. I have an appointment in an hour and need to log out. I'll try to be back in here tomorrow.
 
Ado


Maybe this will help,maybe not??

ADO
Anna,

Well.......I agree for the most part with Robots.
MOS has em cornered and they're going to be in jail for much much longer than any eight days or sixty days.
MOS is not part of the Aruban system, he's part of the Dutch system and he seems the type that has career aspirations. He wouldn't take any risks at ruining his future by filing manslaughter charges he can't prove. He's got the goods on them. He wouldn't say he has proof she is deceased if he didn'thave the proof. On a side note, IMO I think MOS has some photographic or video evidence. We all know the pimps were involved in the porn business.
On the ocean search - Everybody can try to figure out how he and TES know exactly where to look but right now the fact is they know where to look. How they found out where to look may become public sometime down the road but it's too soon for MOS to disclose that information. Again, the fact is they know where to look, and that to me is a major breakthrough, and MOS isn't hinting how they found out. It's has to be driving those involved in the crime nuts.
Notice that JT is trying all he can to get some sort of response from MOS and....................nothing. He (MOS) is not going to respond now matter what JT claims.
If there is an information/evidence leak MOS and the 45 KLPD will find the source.
On arresting Paulus - It would not be a good idea to arrest Paulus this soon. In doing so you would have to disclose evidence to him and he might be able to start cover up activities in motion, or get word to J2K on the "new" story line to follow.
I see a lot of folks in here claiming the sky is falling because this hasn't happened yet, or that person should be arrested and isn't, or Satish's lawyer said it's just the same old stuff. Myself, I think within a month we'll know must of what happened.
I do hope TES has some sort of navy protective support out there. This is dangerous stuff.


ADO.

I'm confused ADO..Seems you were thinking about Natalee Holloway being in the ocean or am i mistaken??
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