Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09

[Lifesong]

KTF got me thinking.  Below is Caps' last post.  My notes are in red.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg608344#msg608344

Capslockwizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 
on: January 02, 2009, 03:06:11 AM

1. Escudero cage is made of Iron and concrate iron mats...and its weight is around 500 pond or more.


 - Acknowledgement of existence of cage
 - Assumption cage is drop point for drug traffic / "Escudero"
 - If by concrate he means concrete, what the heck are concrete iron mats?
 - Assumption cage is 500 pounds or more

2. Aruba fish cages or call it trap are for a fish called crapfish and Lobster like tail fish, it is made of PVC and with chicken coup wire mesh. it has to fin in a small fishing boat and be manageable to be lifted by the fisherman or 2 on the boat.

3. the cages in Aruba are put around the coastal area and where there are lot of rocks and reefs, not in an open ocean.

All of this may be made up or may be true, but its beside the point.  The existence of the cage has been acknowledged, the bagged evidenced videotaped inside the cage has not. 

Subject avoided.

4. Now let look at post mortom issues, a body will start to decompose in 2 hours after dead and start building toxid gases. it will require professional handling.

All muderers who hide the body hire professionals if they don't get the job completed within that almighty 2 hour deadline.  Wth?  Got a link?

5. we had 3 mayor close call horacain and the sea where that cage is was like a washing machine.

Again, completely ignoring the fact that evidence was found in the cage.

Question: do you know what will happend to fabrick in salt water for almost 3 year with constant stream, they loose color first since the die of jeans will become white in salt water and then will be decompose.

if it was fresh water, it will be come slimy then iit will start to build these bacteria that will make smell like someone just vomit (Acid smell)

Is this just a guess on your part? I've found no evidence whatsoever that what you are claiming is true.  From what I've read, salt affects the texture of a fabric much moreso than the color.


now let go back to time

let assume that they put her in the cage at night...that means that they must had knowledge of the case prior and was well know to the exact cordination to go to that location , put in scuba gear, have some sort of referance or GPS location finder and dive at night and put it in the cage. Likely hood that that has happend in 2005? No. to much preparation.

Why don't you tell us how you found out where the cage was and then we'll discuss it.  Obviously someone knew the location, no one believes that the brother of an ALE detective had a vision giving him the latitude.

assume that they did it the next day, then where will they have put the body that night to beat the post mortom process.?? ice in a badtube will not do it.

Asume that ALE put it some bones or object in the cage when OE was not looking, Why do that and what is the purpuse.

assume that whit ALE acction, What will be the benefit and to who? what will be their next move.

logic : Some one hid a body somewhere in a cage in Aruba ocean
A search for that cage was organised and started
a cage was found
the cage was empty on TV tumbs Down

PARADOX NOW

Go back to cage 7 day back and put in a body parts,  but you will then create a paradox here. you have it on tv to show the whole world that the cage was empty. (Paradox is where we tried to change an event that happend in the past.)

then we have to find why was the paradox created and who is it to its benefit.

CAPS

The rest of these assumptions are nonsense.  Logic based on nonsense is ridiculous and insulting.  Who decided the evidence was put in the cage 7 days before it was discovered?

Oh, yeah.  Caps just acknowledged that there were body parts found in the cage.
 I assume he knows the cage was not found in the pond.


 

  

[2NJSons_Mom]

KTF,

I was just reading a forum you quoted yesterday, iirc.  Reading there about the foreign companies using their foreign crews in the Gulf of Mexico, brought me to another blog about American Professional Mariners, where there are some great photos of foreign company vessels.  Maybe not related in topic, but interesting, nonetheless.

http://gcaptain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=915&page=2

http://americanprofessionalmariners.blogspot.com/

[Kermit]

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora

So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e

[Keepthefaith]

At least you rile me up on Monday after i've had some nice relaxation Kermit!!!

[Keepthefaith]

KTF,

I was just reading a forum you quoted yesterday, iirc.  Reading there about the foreign companies using their foreign crews in the Gulf of Mexico, brought me to another blog about American Professional Mariners, where there are some great photos of foreign company vessels.  Maybe not related in topic, but interesting, nonetheless.

http://gcaptain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=915&page=2

http://americanprofessionalmariners.blogspot.com/

I believe it was Hotping that posted that..Wasn't it about Foreign companies using American companies as Shell companies to get to the Oil??I could be wrong..

[Kermit]

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente
6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.

* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5


Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm

What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur

[2NJSons_Mom]

KTF,

I was just reading a forum you quoted yesterday, iirc.  Reading there about the foreign companies using their foreign crews in the Gulf of Mexico, brought me to another blog about American Professional Mariners, where there are some great photos of foreign company vessels.  Maybe not related in topic, but interesting, nonetheless.

http://gcaptain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=915&page=2

http://americanprofessionalmariners.blogspot.com/

I believe it was Hotping that posted that..Wasn't it about Foreign companies using American companies as Shell companies to get to the Oil??I could be wrong..

It may have been Hotping.  I just knew I had read an excerpt from the forum.  My apology to whoever posted it.   

[Kermit]

At least you rile me up on Monday after i've had some nice relaxation Kermit!!!

That's a good thing.
I think.

[Magnolia]

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora

So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e

Silly me!  I had been looking at Geerman as the name of the witness.

You are such a smart Frog!

[Lifesong]

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente
6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.

* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5


Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm

What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur

I'm confused... I thought Dolf Richardson's wife was van der Straten's secretary? 

[Kermit]

Kyle: "I couldn't agree more. It was wrong to sit on the footage. I did everything I could to get them out and get them to Beth. Imagine how I felt having found the trap. I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. I got around this through Tim Trahan. It took months. The only way I felt I could do anything was through here. I hoped through here that at least the images could get to Beth. Fortunately Tim said I could send them to her.


BITE ME you piece of dog poop capslockwizard

[Tamikosmom]

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), [color=red]Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot. [/color]

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora

So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e

 

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta ... this is huge."

Kermit ... it was not my understanding that a "Mr. Herman" was the witness.  Could you please expand.

Thank you.

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html

[Kermit]

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora

So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e

Silly me!  I had been looking at Geerman as the name of the witness.

You are such a smart Frog!

Another freebird figured it out.

[Keepthefaith]

Keepthefaith, Kermit, Tamikosmom, Magnolia, ksl, adoronron, Lifesong, wreck, BoxerDawg, oldiebutgoodie, jen3560, 2NJSons_Mom, SuzieQ, hotping, carolinamom, camochance and 15 Guests are viewing this topic.


Welcome Monkey's ...Anything to ADD Adoronron???

[Tamikosmom]

Keepthefaith, Kermit, Tamikosmom, Magnolia, ksl, adoronron, Lifesong, wreck, BoxerDawg, oldiebutgoodie, jen3560, 2NJSons_Mom, SuzieQ, hotping, carolinamom, camochance and 15 Guests are viewing this topic.


Welcome Monkey's ...Anything to ADD Adoronron???

Keepthefaith

Unless his/her position has changed ... I do believe that adoronron said it all in the following post.

Janet

+++++


adoronron
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »

Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

[oldiebutgoodie]

Aruban Tourism is Drying Up

Going! Going! Gone!Better give Natalee back before it's too late, Aruba.

[Tamikosmom]

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora

So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e

 

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta ... this is huge."

Kermit ... it was not my understanding that a "Mr. Herman" was not the witness.  Could you please expand.

Thank you.

Janet

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Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html

I think I get it.  Yes?  No?

Ribbit.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!

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So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente
6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.

* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5


Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm

What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur

I'm confused... I thought Dolf Richardson's wife was van der Straten's secretary? 

No - Jeannette Richardson was in charge of personnel for the police department. 

[crazybabyborg]

Aruban Tourism is Drying Up

Going! Going! Gone!Better give Natalee back before it's too late, Aruba.

 

GOOD!!!