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« on: March 27, 2009, 07:54:07 AM »

Police Look For Answers In Cold Case
Cutting-Edge Techniques May Help Crack Case
UPDATED: 5:34 am EDT March 26, 2009

ALLENSTOWN, N.H. -- A mystery that has gone unsolved in Allenstown since the mid-1980s is getting a fresh look with new science.

Four bodies -- one woman and three children -- were found left in metal drums in the Allenstown woods.

"They were stuffed in barrels like they weren't worth anything," said state police Detective John Sonia. "So we think we're dealing with a suspect who has the capacity for this type of violence."

Investigators said they know many details of the mystery, but they lack answers. They said they're now hopeful that something as simple as tap water can put names with the faces.

"We knew we weren't dealing with two separate homicides," Sonia said. "They were all linked together."

In November 1985, a hunter found a tipped-over, 55-gallon drum near Bear Brook State Park, not far from a burned-down convenience store.

"You could see basically packaging of some type, and as he examined closer, he noticed there was a skull there," Sonia said.

The hunter had found the remains of an adult woman and a girl, somewhere between 5 and 10 years old. Both had been beaten about the head.

But with badly decomposed remains and no missing persons report that matched, the case stalled until 2000, when it was reassigned to another trooper.

"He goes out to the scene, starts looking around and locates another barrel, another 55-gallon metal barrel," Sonia said. "At that point, we find the remains of two female children in that barrel, also."

Investigators said they believe the all the remains are closely connected.

"We believe that all four of these individuals are connected based on the testing that was done, the similarities and the condition of the bodies and how they were disposed of," said Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Strelzin. "We believe these four individuals are connected, aside from just being the victim of a murder."

"It's possible, and the circumstances make it seem like they're a family, but it's not definite," said forensic investigator Kim Fallon.

The youngest victim could be as little as 1 year old. DNA has linked two of the children to the adult, but their specific relationship is unclear. Police said there could be many reasons why, in 24 years, no one went looking for them.

"That was a different time," Sonia said. "You didn't have cell phones back then. You didn't have the Internet back then. People weren't as connected, so it's possible four people went missing and maybe a local police department was notified and it didn't go any further than that, and that's some distance from New Hampshire."

Sonia said the four could be from Canada or transients. There are no reports of four people missing together from that time.

With a case this cold, investigators said they know forensic science is one way to get answers. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has produced composites of three victims based on their remains, but the descriptions are rather broad with large age ranges and race varying from Caucasian to Native American.

"When you have bodies that are outdoors for a long period of time, they are being exposed to the weather extremes, heat, cold and bacteria,' said Kim Rumrill of the stte police forensics lab. "All these things work against you trying to find a DNA profile."

Investigators are now turning to water. A new technique links isotopes found in drinking water to different regions of the country. Those isotopes are found in human hair, and samples from the adult victim are now being tested.

"If she traveled they can get the travel history because they analyze segments of the hair, each segment separately," Fallon said.

Police said it's the first of three steps -- learn where they're from, discover who they are, and then find the killer.

"There's a lot of, I guess, force involved," Sonia said. "Again, it's pretty brutal. So that shows some kind of level of intimacy to take those, to do that to the bodies and to dispose of them the way they disposed of them."

State police are asking anyone with information to contact them at 603-271-2663 or nhsp.intel@dos.nh.gov.
http://www.wmur.com/news/19013578/detail.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 08:09:10 AM »

Circumstances: On November 10, 1985, the remains of the adult female and child #1 were located in a wooded area adjacent to the Bear Brook State Park in Allenstown, New Hampshire. The remains of two more female children were later located in the same vicinity. All four were victims of homicide. Preliminary DNA testing shows that the adult and 2 of the children may be related, and all four victims may be related as well. DNA testing is ongoing. Their race is believed to be White or Native American. Child #1 was between 5 and 10 years old and her ears were double pierced. Child #2 was between 4 and 8 years old and had a noticeable overbite. Child #3 was between 1 and 3 years old and her hair was approximately 8-12 inches long. The adult female was between 23 and 32 years old, approximately 5'2"- 5'7" and had curly hair.

Composites of 2 of the children and the adult female here
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1100629&orgPrefix=NCMU&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 03:17:42 PM »

Nut Im not sure if this is related but found this old article. May 31 1987

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=BG&p_theme=bg&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EADEDF584E31755&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

WOMAN, GIRL UNCLAIMED POLICE SEARCH FOR NAMES TO GO WITH TWO BODIES AGING MYSTERY REFUSES TO UNRAVEL
Published on May 31, 1987
Author(s):    Bob Hohler, Globe Staff

ALLENSTOWN -- Eighteen months after he hoisted the remains of a murdered woman and girl from a bed of fallen leaves in the woods near Bear Brook State Park, Police Chief Norman Connor did what he had hoped never to do. He buried them without knowing their names.

They were a mother and daughter or sisters, the police believe, and apparently no one missed them for the six months to three years that their bodies lay in the woods, or the year and a half that the bodies lay in the morgue at New

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 01:16:02 AM »

an old original article:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=-MFIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XgENAAAAIBAJ&pg=4991,3003997&dq=woman+and+girl+allenstown+nh&hl=en
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 02:38:04 AM »

http://fox2now.com/2017/01/26/authorities-link-5-killings-to-man-who-worked-in-st-louis-in-the-1970s/

Authorities link 5 killings to man who worked in St. Louis in the 1970’s
POSTED 12:53 PM, JANUARY 26, 2017


CONCORD, N.H. (AP) - Authorities in New Hampshire are linking five deaths from the 1980s to a man who died in a California prison in 2010 while serving a sentence for killing and dismembering his wife.

State police and the attorney general's office said Thursday they believe the killer was a man known as Bob Evans. He's the one-time boyfriend of a New Hampshire woman who disappeared in 1981. They believe he killed her and, separately, a mother and three girls who were found in steel drums in a New Hampshire state park. They say he was the father of one of the girls. 

Under the name of Lawrence Vanner, he was convicted in California of killing his wife, Eunsoon Jun, who was found dead in their basement.  He also went by several other names including, Robert T. Evans, Gordon Jenson, Curtis Kimball and Gerry Mockerman.

Evans claims to have worked in St. Louis, MO during the early 1970's. Investigators are hoping that by releasing information about ‘Bob Evans’ someone will come forward who knew him and his child.  Police say that it is possible that there are more murder victims.

Call 1-800-843-5678 if you have any information in this case. MORE at the link!
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2017, 12:38:30 PM »

a lot of info in article,
Facebook Live video of Jan. 26 Press Conference
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face of a serial killer: Authorities have their man; now they
want to identify his victims
By: CAROL ROBIDOUX | January 26, 2017

https://manchesterinklink.com/face-serial-killer-authorities-man-now-want-identify-victims/

media info from D.O.J. of N.H.
http://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center/press-releases/2017/20170126-allenstown-suspect-identified.htm
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