SANDRA CANTU, 8, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1 3/28/09-4/09/09

[AZSunny]

I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

[k9ohana]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

[AZSunny]

I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

(to continue my thought......) With all the occurrences lately in Europe, I was wondering if they were looking for a hidden room in the basement.   

[Anna]

I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

AZSunny, no would be wild speculation but I think mostly it was to cover every single part of the Church and leave nothing unchecked there.  If there is an attic, I would bet they looked in there as well.  Being totally thorough.

[Tracygirl]

In Tracy donation trucks come around to pick things up. We are asked to place things curb side. There is also a city wide garage sale happening some time in April. Not sure if this was happening but it maybe useful information.

The lying guy? He was just on KCRA, he was at the door with the minister, could have sworn he had a key and was opening the door! Let me see if I can find the video

[Anna]

I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

(to continue my thought......) With all the occurrences lately in Europe, I was wondering if they were looking for a hidden room in the basement.  

They looked EVERYWHERE and now they don't have to wonder if they missed something is what I think.  They KNOW the church has been inspected completely. 

Yes, I would think there is a reason it became their first place to search immediately after the remains were recovered. 

[Tracygirl]

Its not up yet, although the way I worded my sentance you probably had no idea what I meant.

It showed Williams again talking to the press, I have no idea what he was saying, I was in the kitchen, but I did see him at the door of the church, to me it appeared he unlocked the door  and opened it for the minister. Who is not that frail now that I saw him walking. Looked like a healthy 77 year old me.

[klaasend]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

[AZSunny]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

[cookie]

Why did he have to murder her? it is so unfair...I am getting sadder and sadder about this...she was such a lovely little girl...she did not deserve this...none of them do...

[cookie]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

 haven't you ever noticed that churches just "spring up" anywhere? they are in little strip malls, in the fronts of buildings and sometimes just tiny little houses that are turned into "churches"..on Sundays you can go by and there are maybe 5 cars parked there...a cheap little swing set in the back of the unmowed lawn....you can picture it right? those always creep me out, like they are cult types or something weird....

[k9ohana]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I read that too, such a small congregation too be so weary of strangers unless they are hiding something odd, maybe not even criminal, just odd.
Really makes me wonder about the parishioners though. Just seems to closed off to me...or too...I dont know just too "something". I cant put my finger on what I am feeling but I feel something funky.

[Tracygirl]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

This is a baptist church, wonder if the baptist churches all support one another financially? Or if there is some kind of main church (or whatever, I don't' know what it is called) they support it? 15 people does not a financially strong church make. Especially with a parish of people who have a criminal past.

[Anna]

15 search warrants served.  We don't even know about some of them.

[no rose colored glasses]

Its not up yet, although the way I worded my sentance you probably had no idea what I meant.

It showed Williams again talking to the press, I have no idea what he was saying, I was in the kitchen, but I did see him at the door of the church, to me it appeared he unlocked the door  and opened it for the minister. Who is not that frail now that I saw him walking. Looked like a healthy 77 year old me.

Thanks, so the 77 year old pastor doesn't look that frail, interesting.

[no rose colored glasses]

I may be wrong.  I have been before and I will be again.

But I believe LE/FBI are all over this and know exactly what's what.  They may lack some crucial evidence and are slowly getting it.

They are being much to deliberate and methodical not to know what they are doing in this case.

Somebody's going down, IMO.  As well they should.

Anna,  any idea why the FBI would be digging in the crawl space under the church?

They did find some work gloves in the crawl space, but I don't know if they found anything else.

[k9ohana]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I agree, and how do they stay 'operational' with that small a congregation?  Something is Hinky....

This is a baptist church, wonder if the baptist churches all support one another financially? Or if there is some kind of main church (or whatever, I don't' know what it is called) they support it? 15 people does not a financially strong church make. Especially with a parish of people who have a criminal past.

That is a good question Tracygirl, I have no idea if they are interconnected in some way. The money for the land and building has to come from some where.

[Anna]

Churches can be affiliated with larger denoninational ties and be part of a large system or be totally independent.  I don't think this one is an affiliate of any large group as they would incorporate it into a larger congregation.

Usually when a church has so few members around here, yes, they are up to something and some times it is snake handling, I kid you not!

But they give themselves unusual names as well.  Not just Baptist Church but something odd, the handlers.

But there could be a connection to the church through anybody and does not have to even be a member.  Someone could have also thought the church abandoned, etc.

Or be seeking charity from the church.  I don't think we will have to wait months and years to see a conclusion to this as I think LE is looking for specific things now.

[no rose colored glasses]

I wonder what the criminal records look like for the Clover rd baptist church parishioners.
It looks like Mr. & Mrs Williams has an extensive records based on the blink on crime article.

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

I never heard of a church having only 15 parishioners, almost seems like it would be a waste to keep it up and running. The church and its surroundings give me a creepy feeling.

[Searching]

errr did  you monkeys catch this too??

According to a neighbor across the street there aren't many more than 15 parishioners.  The neighbor said she went there one Sunday and people looked at her walking in like she was a ghost.  Something is up with that church.

15 search warrants served.  We don't even know about some of them.