Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Artcolley]

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

Hi Art,

Do you still have your horses?  I have 2 old girls; a 29 year old QH, and a 23 year old appy, and a blind older than dirt appy pony, and finally a nice Trakehner/QH mare that is actually rideable (well not completely, we are still rehabbing a bowed tendon.  It's been a long 7 months.)

FYI to all, I am not copying and pasting at Gold Monkey.  Don't know where you got that from.  I enjoy posting there because everyone is nice to me and doesn't accuse me of all kinds of crazy things.  I am busy with horses and work so I am just lurking at both sites for the most part.   

I was on SM earlier tonight searching the missing children thread.  There is a women who used my home address to enroll her child in the school district I live in.  I have filled out a police report, but they didn't do anything.  She has a state ID in my address, a car registered in my address, her insurance policy, a bank account and I keep getting addtional mail and accumulating more information about her.  I just received a bill from her day care center today, and I found out her child's name.  I did an internet search, and I found out that there was an Amber Alert on this child in 2007!  Obviously he was found, since they are using my address now.  I didn't find him in the missing person's thread on SM. 

I'm sorry if I didn't answer something.  I'm just too busy to read everything. 

Morning, Iris

No, sadly, I don't have horses any longer. I had to give up the animals, including my sheep, goats, etc due to medical issues. Just can't keep up with it all. However, there is a lovely QH mare that belongs to my neighbor that uses my pasture now. I just love her.  Of all , I do believe that Quarter Horses are my fav. I think at this point in time, the only horse  I could handle would be an old "school horse" . Old and slow, just like me! 

I am sorry to hear about the problems you've had regarding the identity theft. Do you have it all straightened out now? That sounds like some scarey business.
Good luck to you with it all. 

[Artcolley]

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Rise and Shine!   "Yer burnin' daylight"   

[Tamikosmom]

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Rise and Shine!   "Yer burnin' daylight"   

It is April Fools' Day.  There is an internet worm threatening to destory all of Tamikosmom's Natalee Holloway files.

 

If I did not have commitments this morning ... I would crawl back into bed.

Good Morning Monkeys!!

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Hi AZSunny

Are you sipping your sweet tea.  I am on my second cuppa green tea.

I hope you have a good day.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

2NJ

How ya doing?  I know you are having a tough week.

Hugs

Janet

[Artcolley]

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Rise and Shine!   "Yer burnin' daylight"   

It is April Fools' Day.  There is an internet worm threatening to destory all of Tamikosmom's Natalee Holloway files.

 

If I did not have commitments this morning ... I would crawl back into bed.

Good Morning Monkeys!!

Janet

Morning, Janet

Aw...I hope that Worm don't get me too, BUt, not much we can do about it if it does.
Guess its a waiting game.
However, the April Fools joke may be that its nothing at all. (fingers crossed)

[2NJSons_Mom]

2NJ

How ya doing?  I know you are having a tough week.

Hugs

Janet

Hi, there, Janet.  Yes, it's been a tough week and will get worse before the weekend.   Viewing tonight, tomorrow and funeral on Friday. 

Thanks to you and all who have posted kind words.  He was like a brother to my DH, who just last night was feeling so much sorrow and brought up how losing a child must be worse than anything he's ever felt or could imagine.  This led to a discussion about how I feel about Natalee's case & the pain her family faces each day.  From the first day, it was like she could have been my child. 

[Tamikosmom]

Tomikosmom- Nice post.

My questions/comments, just trying to hash out specifics:
(1) What would everyone one be washing off of them? A violent, bodily harming murder, a sexual exploitation, vomit, foaming at mouth bodily fluids? Washing off, especially wading through a pond, definitley implies lots of physical evidence and not just a simple expiration. The mssing shoe (from early on) does make you examine the mucky pond at some point, though.
(2) Was the (original) crime scene at the house or away from the house? Although an after hours pool party (at the Anta-less Sloot home) would be convenient, it seems that the crime scene was away from the house. Probably inside of car or very near to the parked car(in a secluded non-tourist area). They could have hit a party while cruising around. WHo knows..Nonetheless, a deceased Natalee is likely to have been in the Kalpoe vehicle at some point.
(3) What level of involvement did Satish and Deepak Kalpoe play in this? If violence were used, I suppose they are right there in the middle of it. Otherwise, is it for providing drugs to the situation? Their eyes definitely witnessed "something bad," if not participants in the "something bad." They have definitely kept their noses cleaner than Joran after the fact, invisible Satish more than Deepak.  Not to mention the fact that certain Arubans would like to see a big pay day from CBS/DrPhil in California.  How long would they have stuck around after NH expiration in their presence? As they collectively shit their pants and talked it over, their sighting at the raquetball club was probably true. I, too, agree that witnesses are intimidated and retaliated against if they step forward. Mind you, there were not as many witnesses to the crime as we may think, and there is no reason for anyone to come forward. There is no consequence for obstructing justice and nothing to fear. I feel certain they washed their car out that night but exactly and precisely why (meaning: how much evidence was in their car and of what nature) I am not sure. Regardless of their level of involvement, their silence and loyalty was needed and expected. They knew if they simply joined the "program" that all would be handled for them. Paulus seemed very quick to make sure of this. It would not surprise me one bit of Aruba ensured the Kalpoes did not need for anything during the troubling times to follow.
(4) When did the sea burial take place and on what side of the island? East side? Not to sound stupid.. but where did Persistence crew spot trap? Thought it was in close proximity to the hotels (on the west side of the island). Please corrct me if wrong. I don't want to confuse. About time wise of disposal..I am not sure if it was that night/early morning or not. If it was that night (assuming east vs west doesn't matter), and assuming NH contents were in the trap, LOGIC DICTATES that a trap was needed. Therefore, the FHs probably were broken into as reported.
(5) If Paulus "had contact with NH twice" that evening, the first time was probably at the casino and the second time had to be: at his house - the crime scene (a J2K after hours Anita-less pool party) or with her deceased body ready to dispose (thus the "we know what ya did" court ruling for denial of compensation). Just out of curiosity, has Aruba ever named his two contact points with NH? Wonder how they knew he had two contact points with NH? There is no doubt that Paulus was going to do anything necessary to "protect his son." Abeting in the disposal of a dead body is pushing it a bit but he certainly masterminded the plan. This is a certainly like the sun rising everyday, a bear shitting in the woods - Paulus was absolutely the mastermind in the aftermath of the crime.  Once he received the call, or visit to his home, by Joran, he responded immediately. How could he forget if his cell phone was used between 12-7am? Pretty simple question. Paulus, failed judge or whatever, was a lengthy resident of the island, with Dutch ancestory that placed him in the elite club, and had connections. Judge friends, regardless of HIS status as judge, and a supposed godparent to his child(Joran) and known,admitted super-duper close friend, Jan VanderStraaten, who happens to be police chief at the time, surely came in handy for Paulas.  A judge (staying at Sloot house) blocks/narrows, on the spot, a search warrant signed by another judge. JanVDS, chief of police, removed himself from the case a week or so into it (based on recollection) - how convenient - then later returned back on the scene. Paulus' helper system grew as their precious tourism dollar became threatened internationally. The police and tourism board are in bed with one another. They are literally one in the same. The only difference between the two are their uniforms. This case grew into an us(holloway/twitty) vs them(Aruba and its citizens) game.

Spiked drink/alcohol/drugs take effect.
Driving around, secluded spot(s). Sexual contact? Natalee dies.
Sighting at racquet club = Boys talking it over. PVDS is called.
Paulus immediately begins helping out. Picks up Joran.
Heavy body. Messy or not. White pick-up truck.
Kalpoes clean car..Stay in touch with Joran...Online...Alibis...
Break-in at Fisherman's Huts...Paulus gains access to boat...
Pond or no pond for me. I could take it or leave it. Mucky shoe, though.
Someone is out withdrawling money from Paulus's account..
Communication with someone at 6:00am. Paulus to Joran, Joran to Paulus, Paulus to helper, helper to Paulus.
Paulus and friends start disinformation campaign, designed to confuse and mislead. Cloud the waters.
Jan starts screwing things up on his end. Arrests two guards. International media "boos."
Case lingers, ten day "surveillance" period. Work done around the clock for ten days.
Most critical time period lost but bought them some time.
Aruban reporters help sell their story "..justice system this, justice sytem that" by Arlene, Tito, Ruben.
Case continues to linger. More and arrows poiting towards J2K. Aruba arrests them.
Mockery interrogations. Long periods of nothing combined with unexplainable behavior by Aruba.
All the while, Aruba refuses help from other accredited international agencies.
Case still not going away. Aruba gets its feelings hurt with threats of boycotts.
Becomes an us vs them match. Network expands. Aruba clams up.
Safe haven forms. Governement and whole country vows to protect tourism.
Power players/AHATA also on board and vow to do the same.
Tourism allows a lot of underground businesses to flourish.

All of your sourced information is very well laid out. Great job.

Buckshot ... you covered it all.  Your post is a keeper.

Thank you.

Janet

[Artcolley]

2NJ

How ya doing?  I know you are having a tough week.

Hugs

Janet

Hi, there, Janet.  Yes, it's been a tough week and will get worse before the weekend.   Viewing tonight, tomorrow and funeral on Friday. 

Thanks to you and all who have posted kind words.  He was like a brother to my DH, who just last night was feeling so much sorrow and brought up how losing a child must be worse than anything he's ever felt or could imagine.  This led to a discussion about how I feel about Natalee's case & the pain her family faces each day.  From the first day, it was like she could have been my child. 

My thoughts and prayers are with you, 2NJ   ((((hugs)))))))

[AZSunny]

Hi AZSunny

Are you sipping your sweet tea.  I am on my second cuppa green tea.

I hope you have a good day.

Janet

I am having my Starbucks right now, sweet tea is coming later!  Morning Monkeys!

[Tamikosmom]

While Papa is a math/science teacher on call (TOC) this morning to home schooled eldest grandsons.

I was downstairs putting a load of clothes in the washer when one of them called out to me to look outside ... it was snowing!  Considering it was April Fool's Day ... I was not about to be fooled by an 11 year old so ... I just laughed.  He insisted it was true.  His nine year old  brother chimed in.  I laughed some more and continued doing what I was doing.

Long story stort ... it is snowing in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  This young man claims that I am the fool considering he was telling the truth.

Is that the way it goes??

 

Anyways ... I am off for the morning.  Commitments at the church.

Have a good day all.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Iris44 is currently on copy and paste duty in the previous thread!

Also logged into the GM relaying information??

5 Guests, 3 Users Users active in past 15 minutes:
Lalasmom, Carnut, iris44

Yes, that would be the pattern. So ridiculous. So childish.

Iris44 never did answer my reply to her last post in regards to what went into the thought process before they posted their rubbish...

As well.Is it just me or does anyone else's reply button not appear??

Hi KTF

I don't understand your question about the rubbish, but I wanted to reply to you.

I'm not copying and pasting.  I read at both sites.  I'm not that involved on these sites, just checking in to see if anything is new in the Natalee case.  I'm not that interested in discussing other posters (unless they are talking about their horses!).  I'm certainly not interested in discussing myself.  It's off topic!  (But I will talk about my horses with very little encouragement, so quit making fun of my mucking!!!  I'm not a morning person.)

You were stateing we should not question Fred Golba and the search of the pond...I think quite the contrary!For a pond that has been dry several times before(with picture verifcation),been searched before,side-scan sonared prior to this.What else do you want??Ohh i forgot.The reason they're searching this pond is because??Because a DISINFORMATION SPECIALIST says so..CapsLockWizard.PLEASSSSSSSSE...... JMOO

[hotping]

Hey KTF This is just a driveby...but I wanted to say Hello and Ask WTH are They thinking leaving You alone in the cage with all these guests.....lol Have A Great Day! BBL   

[Keepthefaith]

Hey KTF This is just a driveby...but I wanted to say Hello and Ask WTH are They thinking leaving You alone in the cage with all these guests.....lol Have A Great Day! BBL   

No worries HotPing..I always fall back to what a wise Monkey once said."BRING IT"..Have a great day!

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511961,00.html


Private Investigator Continues Search for Natalee Holloway
Tuesday , March 31, 2009


 Aruban official says a private investigator will continue scouring a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, even though he has not found any clues into her 2005 disappearance.

Ruben Croes, president of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, said investigator Fred Golba told him Tuesday that he "hasn't found anything of interest" in the drained pond and plans to search for another week.

Click here for photos from the case.   http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2734,00.html#1_0

Aruban volunteers are aiding the investigator as he searches the pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains.

Golba was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, vanished in May 2005.

[Keepthefaith]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511961,00.html


Private Investigator Continues Search for Natalee Holloway
Tuesday , March 31, 2009


 Aruban official says a private investigator will continue scouring a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, even though he has not found any clues into her 2005 disappearance.

Ruben Croes, president of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, said investigator Fred Golba told him Tuesday that he "hasn't found anything of interest" in the drained pond and plans to search for another week.

Click here for photos from the case.   http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2734,00.html#1_0

Aruban volunteers are aiding the investigator as he searches the pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains.

Golba was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, vanished in May 2005.

What...Fred isn't ready to end his vacation...

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Keepthefaith.

I have been gone for about three hours and ... expected to spend an hour catching up.  Wrong!

I think it time for a Kyle Kingman/Private Eye reminder.

 

Anyways ... is it snowing down your way?  The white stuff has stopped falling here.  The roads are wet but ... about one inch is on the lawns ... roofs.

Unbelieveable!!  April 1st!!

Janet
11:55 AM PT

[Anna]

Aruba Clearance Sale
Airfare, 7 Nights One Bedroom Suite $599

Your Package Includes:


Roundtrip Airfare
Roundtrip Transfers
 7 Nights at the Aruban Resort & Casino (Staying in a one bedroom suite)
 


Price:

Washington D.C - $599
Albany, Atlanta, Boston, Buffalo, Burlington, Charlotte, Chicago, Denver, Harrisburg, Hartford, Knoxville, Manchester, New York, Newark, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Port Columbus, Portland/ME, Providence, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, Roanoke, Rochester, Syracuse - $689
 Appleton, Cedar Rapids, Kansas City, Omaha, Peoria, South Bend, St. Louis - $739
Des Moines, Ft. Wayne, Grand Rapids, Green Bay, Lansing, Louisville, Madison, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Moline - $749
 


Departure Info:

April & May
Terms :

Price per person based on double or triple. Rates do not include hotel charges typically paid by the customer directly to the hotel (e.g., room service, telephone charges, etc.), government imposed international travel taxes of up to $110.90, airport passenger facility charges of up to $18, the September 11th Security Fee of up to $10 per person and federal excise taxes of $3.30 which will be imposed on each domestic segment. A flight segment is defined as a takeoff and a landing. Other conditions apply. Total Vacation Package price will always be clearly displayed to you prior to purchase. Limited time offer is subject to (i) change without notice; (ii) availability (advance reservation is required As Always TravelByJen.com Brings you the best Deals Price is only valid until it sells out! Some cities may have an extra surcharge.
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Now this is why I prefer actual money figures to a percentage because you never know how inflated the percentage numbers are.  Example the free rooms for travel agents.

But this is very cheap especially to include airfare.  Hotshot was looking for a deal while supposedly boycotting so this should be right up her alley.

[Keepthefaith]

Hi Keepthefaith.

I have been gone for about three hours and ... expected to spend an hour catching up.  Wrong!

I think it time for a Kyle Kingman/Private Eye reminder.

 

Anyways ... is it snowing down your way?  The white stuff has stopped falling here.  The roads are wet but ... about one inch is on the lawns ... roofs.

Unbelieveable!!  April 1st!!

Janet
11:55 AM PT

Amix of Rain and snow but,nothing sticking!Reminders are always good.I have a couple of thoughts for Golba..
1.Ask Mos what was in the trap?
2.When not searching the pond that has already been side-scan sonared,searched,dried-up numerous times..Take a scuba trip with CapsLockWizard to see if the CAGE/TRAP is still there,as well as see what's still down there if anything..

[Anna]

Aruba Clearance Sale
Airfare, 7 Nights One Bedroom Suite $599

Your Package Includes:


Roundtrip Airfare
Roundtrip Transfers
 7 Nights at the Aruban Resort & Casino (Staying in a one bedroom suite)
 


Price:

Washington D.C - $599
Albany, Atlanta, Boston, Buffalo, Burlington, Charlotte, Chicago, Denver, Harrisburg, Hartford, Knoxville, Manchester, New York, Newark, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Port Columbus, Portland/ME, Providence, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, Roanoke, Rochester, Syracuse - $689
 Appleton, Cedar Rapids, Kansas City, Omaha, Peoria, South Bend, St. Louis - $739
Des Moines, Ft. Wayne, Grand Rapids, Green Bay, Lansing, Louisville, Madison, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Moline - $749
 


Departure Info:

April & May
Terms :

Price per person based on double or triple. Rates do not include hotel charges typically paid by the customer directly to the hotel (e.g., room service, telephone charges, etc.), government imposed international travel taxes of up to $110.90, airport passenger facility charges of up to $18, the September 11th Security Fee of up to $10 per person and federal excise taxes of $3.30 which will be imposed on each domestic segment. A flight segment is defined as a takeoff and a landing. Other conditions apply. Total Vacation Package price will always be clearly displayed to you prior to purchase. Limited time offer is subject to (i) change without notice; (ii) availability (advance reservation is required As Always TravelByJen.com Brings you the best Deals Price is only valid until it sells out! Some cities may have an extra surcharge.
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Now this is why I prefer actual money figures to a percentage because you never know how inflated the percentage numbers are.  Example the free rooms for travel agents.

But this is very cheap especially to include airfare.  Hotshot was looking for a deal while supposedly boycotting so this should be right up her alley.

Seems the above has been sold.  Maybe the cheap rates are how they got it full then sold it to this group as being High occupancy.


The Aruban Resort & Casino a conoce un Management Team nobo


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/8087/5/