Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Magnolia]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

Great, Buckeye!

Just to the left or toward the beach is a building labeled Palm Beach 11 and it is on the same
street as the witnesses' house.

[texasmom]

Thanks texasmom!

IFA - that's how Renfro and Anita know each other.

That woman on Anita's left................I'm probably way off with this, but does she look like Analisa Gesterkamp (sp)?

You're welcome jen!

She looks familiar but I'm not sure jen.

[Magnolia]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

Great map Buckeye. I bookmarked to save time in the future. Kudos.

Yanno, if you all look at the "official time" line in this case, there is nothing - nothing to say anyone was near that pond. Not ever.

To me it's still the same - left CnC at 1:08 am - went up the street (mostly to Choose A Name) and to the Sloot house. Arrival at 1:40am - from there - well, thats where "something bad happened". Predators ALWAYS take their prey to a locale THEY KNOW.

I have an idea - release the Dutch interrogation tapes if Joran is soooooo innocent. I bet THAT says it ALL. You and I won't need anymore. Neither would anyone else.

Beth said - they were cracking and blaming each other. I bet those tapes tell the whole story. We don't need any witnesses to for the truth to emerge. And the saddest fact is that even if Joran was 21 there would be some totally ridiculous reason why they cold never release the tapes made by THEIR OWN INVESTIGATORS and specialists flown in from Holland.

Thanks again for the map Buckeye.

 

And they were waiting for the taping equipment to arrive from NL and that is why they
had to wait 10 days to arrest the suspects.

[Rob]

Thanks texasmom!

IFA - that's how Renfro and Anita know each other.

That woman on Anita's left................I'm probably way off with this, but does she look like Analisa Gesterkamp (sp)?

You're welcome jen!

She looks familiar but I'm not sure jen.

Isn't that Marlene or whatever the heck her name is on the far left too? Look to the left in the picture to the border.

and I think Julia lives on Calico too.

[Magnolia]

Jen thanks for finding Renho's stupid monkeys post.  That popped into my head last night like
a shot.
Thanks to Klaas for posting it.

[texasmom]

Thanks texasmom!

IFA - that's how Renfro and Anita know each other.

That woman on Anita's left................I'm probably way off with this, but does she look like Analisa Gesterkamp (sp)?

You're welcome jen!

She looks familiar but I'm not sure jen.

Isn't that Marlene or whatever the heck her name is on the far left too? Look to the left in the picture to the border.

and I think Julia lives on Calico too.

Do you mean Machelle Zeolla?  She and her husband Rick are in one of the pics.

[Tamikosmom]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

I get a message that this map is unavailable.

 

Did somebody save it?

Janet

[texasmom]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

I get a message that this map is unavailable.

 

Did somebody save it?

Janet

What do you want to see Janet?  I'll try to make you a screen shot. 

[Tamikosmom]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

I get a message that this map is unavailable.

 

Did somebody save it?

Janet

What do you want to see Janet?  I'll try to make you a screen shot. 

I want to see the the whatever is at the link that Buckeye provided.

Thanks texasmom

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER


LOGIC DICTATES - NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »  

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880
 
 
private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2008, 06:07:48 PM »
 
Either something grand has happened or something mighty dirty just happened. You don't spend that much money to identify targets that you are not going to search. Why get Beth and Dave's hopes up, find probable targets allegedly, and then go, with very little warning, oops, we cannot afford to search afterall? Why does Chaney fly in at midnight the day before the Persistence pulls out? Coincidental? Silveti and Chaney are both active in the Houston area. Bush and Silveti the same plus the same business interests. Why Ocean EX would interject himself in the cage as he did last night? Why is Joran suddenly in a mental hospital?

And now that they have identified the locations of the targets, with the Aruban police force on board, they are retiring from the search, with guess who now in the know. And what is funny, is it was Oceans Ex fear that we might give some secrets away. Hell, the coverup people already have the secrets, first hand from the horse themselves.

Something grand had to have happened. If not, then this was the cruelest hoax of yet.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358544#msg358544


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

[AZSunny]

Jen asked me to post this stuff Glenda posted at RU:

Heli wrote:
The pond searched is in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco. It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. (Lala'sMom - SM)

 


Glenda wrote:
heheheheheheh Stupid Monkeys that's where Perry lives.
 
 

So potentially the witness lives on a street called Calco.

And here is the address for the Lekker Chinese Restaurant

Lekker Bar & Restaurant   
 
Noord 39

Where they have the red dot and searched?  That is not the pond that was searched, or is being searched. It is much too large, and there is no soccer field.  totally different layout. 

[oldiebutgoodie]

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
 

I have said this all along.

There are only two logical possibilities in the murder/complete disappearance of an intelligent young woman like Natalee:

1. A group effort that involves at least Joran and Paulus and likely more people and after that, massive incompetence by law enforcement and a massive cover-up for that as well as a massive cover-up for the involvement of more unsavory aspects of the way things work in Aruba in general.

That the house of cards has not yet fallen because one of the principal players or one with most intimate knowledge of the true facts has not yet come forward is unexplainable to me because even "fear" and "self-interest" and "greed" do not quite account for all these years of absolute stonewalling of Beth Holloway.

And the other logical possibility:

2. Joran never met Natalee, never knew her, never spoke to her, had no idea whatsoever who she is and thus, had no hand at all in her disappearance. This would explain years of digging and no convicting and no connecting Joran by anything other than his own words.

We already know that Number Two up there couldn't possibly be true. So what remains is that house of cards that will fall. Who on Aruba has the cajones to make justice happen? That's all that we are waiting for. I know and many people now know that Truth and Justice will not come from CAPS or his crew. So... who's next?

[Rob]

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
 

I have said this all along.

There are only two logical possibilities in the murder/complete disappearance of an intelligent young woman like Natalee:

1. A group effort that involves at least Joran and Paulus and likely more people and after that, massive incompetence by law enforcement and a massive cover-up for that as well as a massive cover-up for the involvement of more unsavory aspects of the way things work in Aruba in general.

That the house of cards has not yet fallen because one of the principal players or one with most intimate knowledge of the true facts has not yet come forward is unexplainable to me because even "fear" and "self-interest" and "greed" do not quite account for all these years of absolute stonewalling of Beth Holloway.

And the other logical possibility:

2. Joran never met Natalee, never knew her, never spoke to her, had no idea whatsoever who she is and thus, had no hand at all in her disappearance. This would explain years of digging and no convicting and no connecting Joran by anything other than his own words.

We already know that Number Two up there couldn't possibly be true. So what remains is that house of cards that will fall. Who on Aruba has the cajones to make justice happen? That's all that we are waiting for. I know and many people now know that Truth and Justice will not come from CAPS or his crew. So... who's next?

I forget number two a fast as the sun shines on my jewboy butt every mornin'. These cowards hide behind sovereignty like that third world scum they are. And they have the gall to say that are ENTITLED TO our hard earned vacation dollars that are getting harder to earn.

They will claim that the world economy is down and they always have a built-in excuse for the masses. What a sorry group of idiolectuals. (and yes I just did coin that word, one of many) ....

Janet feel freeeeee to use !!! 

[Rob]

The answers were always there and Beth will get her answers eventually. What happened to Natalee is NOT mystery.

[Magnolia]

Jen asked me to post this stuff Glenda posted at RU:

Heli wrote:
The pond searched is in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco. It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. (Lala'sMom - SM)

 


Glenda wrote:
heheheheheheh Stupid Monkeys that's where Perry lives.
 
 

So potentially the witness lives on a street called Calco.

And here is the address for the Lekker Chinese Restaurant

Lekker Bar & Restaurant   
 
Noord 39

Where they have the red dot and searched?  That is not the pond that was searched, or is being searched. It is much too large, and there is no soccer field.  totally different layout. 

I believe that you are correct, AZSunny.  I think the witness lives on Palm Beach (Street).
Palm Beach runs into Noord down by the soccer field, next to the Lekker Bar & Reat.

[Tamikosmom]

Jen asked me to post this stuff Glenda posted at RU:

Heli wrote:
The pond searched is in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco. It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. (Lala'sMom - SM)

 


Glenda wrote:
heheheheheheh Stupid Monkeys that's where Perry lives.
 
 

So potentially the witness lives on a street called Calco.

And here is the address for the Lekker Chinese Restaurant

Lekker Bar & Restaurant   
 
Noord 39

Where they have the red dot and searched?  That is not the pond that was searched, or is being searched. It is much too large, and there is no soccer field.  totally different layout. 

Thank you AZSunny.  Tamikosmom was soooo confused.

 

Janet

[Kermit]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

Great, Buckeye!

Just to the left or toward the beach is a building labeled Palm Beach 11 and it is on the same
street as the witnesses' house.

I believe the street is called Palm Beach.
That is the street address for CMB bank which is on that street.

I had posted screen shots I did from a map I had used before in this thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.msg736838#msg736838




Noord Polis
Shaba 58
Noord, Aruba
297-587-0009


CMB bank Noord
Palm Beach 4B
Palm Beach, Aruba







ROB had done this map and it may be the other pond being searched

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2890.780

[Kermit]

It does sound like Jossy said the witness name is Halman


Halman Eddie F Juwaweg 18 .............. 584-4390
Halman Eugenio Tulpenstraat 7 .......... 584-8874
Halman George I Bernardstraat 207 A .............................. 584-5453
Halman Marcelle Bringamosa 3 Z/N .. 585-6802
Halman Marcelle D  Watapana Gezaag 36 .......................... 584-8041
Halmesmaki Tomas Palma Real Palm Beach 79 A ............ 586-7924
Halman Jessica J Sabana Basora Noord 39 ..

[Magnolia]

It does sound like Jossy said the witness name is Halman


Halman Eddie F Juwaweg 18 .............. 584-4390
Halman Eugenio Tulpenstraat 7 .......... 584-8874
Halman George I Bernardstraat 207 A .............................. 584-5453
Halman Marcelle Bringamosa 3 Z/N .. 585-6802
Halman Marcelle D  Watapana Gezaag 36 .......................... 584-8041
Halmesmaki Tomas Palma Real Palm Beach 79 A ............ 586-7924
Halman Jessica J Sabana Basora Noord 39 ..

Thanks Kermit,  I have been looking and looking through the Aruba phone book.
You are faster.

[Anna]

How about Haroldman or Heraldman?